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Baking soda & hard water

We have hard water here and I was wondering if it would be a problem to wash my hair with a baking soda rinse?

I'm reading so much about "science" stuff about build-up and clarifying, hard water etc. I'm getting really confused.
I saw someone on the YouTube channel who's washing her curly hair with some baking soda rinse. But I wonder if hard water could cause a problem when rinsing the baking soda out.

2b-3a med-fine low porosity
Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl
2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
Routine:
Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl

Comments

  • butter52butter52 Posts: 292Registered Users
    Im just gessing you could get mineral buildup of calcium plus the carbonates, you might need a specific shampoo or vinegar to rinse out.
    Many people use the vinegar after the baking soda wash anyway to neutralize the pH, so I gess you could try that.
  • sheilacurlsheilacurl Posts: 1,240Registered Users
    This thread is worth the read if you are considering putting baking soda on your hair or scalp:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/trying-shampoo-free-method/170747-baking-soda-making-my-hair-dry-now.html

    You would be better off finding a chelating shampoo to remove mineral build up. Just do a google search for one in your price range.

    Here's a good article on hard water build up:

    How to Prevent Hair Build Up from Hard Water
    Upper Michigan Dews
    3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

    NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
    Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
    Detangler: KCKT
    Leave-in: CJ Repair me
    Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
    Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

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  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    You definitely need to follow baking soda with an acid rinse. The hard water may have an effect, but also probably depends on how hard your water actually is. In any case, baking soda might not be the best choice for you. It can be quite harsh for hair, and since yours is fine you might not want to risk it. Are you looking for a new wash method (definitely advise against baking soda for that) or just want to clarify (baking soda can work, but use a small amount--better yet, just use shampoo)?
    3a/b, F, normal porosity

    Suave conditioner, LAL gel
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    Thanks for all your input!
    I've read the articles and I know I have to follow up with ACV. To be honest, I use a mild acv-rinse after every wash. I've noticed I need a lot less conditioner to detangle my hair, when I do so.

    It's hard to find a shampoo with chelating properties that doesn't contain SLES, protein or polyquats. Protein and polyquats are giving me buildup problems too, so I really like to avoid them when washing my hair.
    I have KC Come Clean, but even heavily diluted I find this very drying on my scalp.

    Do you know of a mild chelating poo without protein/polyquats?

    This is where I found the recipe BTW.
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    She mixes baking soda with ACV and a tiny amount of coconut oil and water.
    I didn't intend to use this recipe very often.

    2b-3a med-fine low porosity
    Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
  • sheilacurlsheilacurl Posts: 1,240Registered Users
    Curl Junkie Daily Fix contains EDTA which can remove mineral build up:

    Curl Junkie Daily Fix Cleansing Conditioner - NaturallyCurly
    Upper Michigan Dews
    3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

    NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
    Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
    Detangler: KCKT
    Leave-in: CJ Repair me
    Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
    Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

    iHerb Discount Code: SAF007

  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    sheilacurl wrote: »
    Curl Junkie Daily Fix contains EDTA which can remove mineral build up:

    Curl Junkie Daily Fix Cleansing Conditioner - NaturallyCurly

    I know, I love that stuff! But I am almost through my last bottle and no one sells it in the Netherlands anymore :'(
    There seems to be a problem with importing this product because of the labels..

    2b-3a med-fine low porosity
    Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
  • WhurligigWhurligig Posts: 6Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Hi,

    I live somewhere with really hard water, and I can't use polyquats and a bunch other stuff that can build up. I've had really good luck using Pureology Purify Shampoo once every week or two. It's strong but sulphate free an had surfactants and chelators that get rid of hard water and polyquats/cationic surfactants and polymers. It's a bit expensive but lasts forever (I've been working on my bottle for a year and it's nowhere near done). Hop this helps :)
  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    As far as I know, baking soda isn't a chelator anyway. You could try citric acid rinses--start with 1/4 teaspoon (equivalent) in a gallon of water. Citric acid is a better chelator than vinegar, at least in my experience.
    3a/b, F, normal porosity

    Suave conditioner, LAL gel
  • FimuFimu Posts: 322Registered Users
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  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    I vote for the vinegar, lemon juice or citric acid if you can get it, however, Lorraine Massey, author of the "Curly Girl" books, recommended b.s. saying it removes buildup better than any shampoo and whenever I've used it it turns whatever was in my hair into a milky white liquid. Because of its high pH it would be drying to use often but not "worse" or even as bad as using a sulfate shampoo for the simple reason that some people forget that ALL shampoos have several other objectionable ingredients, including the preservatives, which some people would rather do without. So for me the choice between one single "harsh" ingredient and several that are not good for your health, the choice is obvious.

    If you can get your hands on some borax (used for laundry), it's also alkaline but the pH is lower than b.s., and it's also very clarifying, emulsifying all the gunk in hair so it can be rinsed right out. It also has the advantage of being an antifungal so it can cure some very reluctant cases of dandruff, and all that's needed is one teaspoon dissolved in one cup of very hot water (allowed to cool off before using, of course) massaged into the scalp and allowed to sit for several minutes about 3x/week.
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
    Hair: color-treated, mostly 3A.
    CO-wash: VO5 K&L
    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil

  • butter52butter52 Posts: 292Registered Users

    It's hard to find a shampoo with chelating properties that doesn't contain SLES, protein or polyquats. Protein and polyquats are giving me buildup problems too, so I really like to avoid them when washing my hair.
    I have KC Come Clean, but even heavily diluted I find this very drying on my scalp.

    what if you use a lo-poo or conditioner with no protein or polyquats to wash followed or preceded by vinegar rinse for the quelating?
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    butter52 wrote: »

    It's hard to find a shampoo with chelating properties that doesn't contain SLES, protein or polyquats. Protein and polyquats are giving me buildup problems too, so I really like to avoid them when washing my hair.
    I have KC Come Clean, but even heavily diluted I find this very drying on my scalp.

    what if you use a lo-poo or conditioner with no protein or polyquats to wash followed or preceded by vinegar rinse for the quelating?

    This is what I do lately. And it's working!
    Thanks for all of your help, gals!

    2b-3a med-fine low porosity
    Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl