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Article: Size 0 versus Size 18

CurlyBritChickCurlyBritChick Posts: 218Registered Users
'Size zero' has become one of today's most contentious phrases. Here, two women - one size 0, the other size 18 - pose for these dramatic pictures and defiantly defend their very different body shapes ...
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Sasha Larner, 29, is a model and mother of two boys, Crawford, six, and Presley, three. She lives in Kent with her partner Matthew, 36, a carpenter. She has been a size zero (UK size four) for the past two years. Sasha says:

A few weeks ago, I went out for the evening wearing my favourite figure-hugging orange dress. Although it covers up my figure at the front, the dress is cut up to my thigh on one side, showing off my long legs, and the back has lots of little straps, revealing patches of flesh.

Walking into the bar with Matthew, I felt sexy and womanly and revelled in the admiring glances. My job involves people looking at me all day and I admit it's enjoyable to be appreciated by the opposite sex.

But - and I have no doubt about it - there were probably a few women looking at me not with admiration but disgust at what they perceive to be my "too-skinny" figure. I hear it from women all the time: "Do you actually eat? You're far too thin."

Well, I admit it, I am a size zero. But I like it, I'm healthy and I refuse to apologise. As far as I'm concerned, I look good, eat three healthy meals a day, exercise moderately and lead an active life looking after my two children, a house and working as often as I can. My weight - 7st 8lb - is not the result of any crazy crash diet but the result of my lifestyle as a hectic working mother.

When these women criticise me for my shape, I just ask them back: "Would you say to a large woman, 'Did you eat all the pies?." I find it offensive and insulting, and it makes me angry.

However, there was a time, I admit, when it wasn't always this way. As a teenager I was quite body-conscious, like many other young girls. Although I was a slim size 10, I still worried whether I looked good enough, especially as I harboured dreams of becoming a model.

When I was 16, I went to London to audition for a modelling school. The interviewer asked me various, quite normal, questions - what I hoped to achieve, what I was studying at school - and then suddenly asked me to strip down to my underwear and jump on some scales.

When my weight came up - 9st 3lb - the interviewer looked me up and down and shook her head: "You're a little bit big, aren't you? If you are serious about modelling, you have to lose weight." Outside, I collapsed in tears. I'd always been happy with my figure, but now I started to doubt myself.

That evening, I ran up to my room, put on my bikini and stood in front of the mirror examining my body. However hard I looked, I just couldn't see what the woman was talking about.

A few weeks later they offered me a place - which half surprised me because of the interview. But after my experience with the scales, I decided against it.

For a couple of years I trained as a make-up artist and my weight remained a steady 9st. I'd learned to be happy again and I actually enjoyed the curves that my size ten figure afforded me - particularly my C-cup breasts.

Then, at the age of 23, I fell pregnant with Crawford. It was in the months following his birth that I dropped to a size eight. I didn't eat any less, but I put it down to the stresses of being a new mother - feeding, changing nappies, being woken up in the night.

It wasn't until Crawford was six months old and I finally had a bit of time to concentrate on myself that I noticed my clothes were a bit too big. It was something of a novelty.

I'd never put any pressure on myself to lose weight, but I did get a kick out of slipping into a size eight. Also, when I tried the clothes on, I noticed how nicely they hung off my new shape.

For the next few years I remained that size, but after the birth of my second son, Presley, my weight dropped again - this time to 7st 8lb and a UK size four (U.S. size zero).

Again, I put this down to rushing around after two young children. At no point did I change my diet or decrease my calorie intake.

A couple of friends remarked that my face was looking a bit gaunt and my cheekbones were protruding, but although I took on board their comments (for a short time I had dropped to 7st and did make an effort to eat a little bit extra to get back up to 7st 8lb), I didn't think there was anything wrong with the way I looked.

In fact, I was quite proud of my 32-22-32 measurements, which are even less than the standard size zero measurements of 31 1/2-23-34.

My modelling work was going through the roof, too. Having shrunk a couple of sizes I was suddenly in much greater demand. I had a few catwalk jobs, even though I'm a little on the short side for their 5ft 8in requirement. I also found myself getting a lot more work in adverts and a huge amount of catalogue opportunities.

I think it really helps that, since getting to a size zero, my face is much more structured in terms of having defined cheekbones and so on - which is just what's needed for fashion photography. My earnings in the past two years have trebled.

Some of the other models can be a little envious. Sometimes, at the catwalk shows, they say: "I wish I had a waist like yours."

But I tell them they shouldn't starve themselves - because I certainly don't.

People are meant to be a certain way, and I think it's terrible if young girls force themselves to be something they're not. I'm not naive. As a mother, it does worry me that young girls see pictures of celebrities like Victoria Beckham and Nicole Richie - who are both painfully thin - and think they have to be that way.

When I look at Nicole Richie, who is even tinier than me, I do wonder how she could naturally be so small. She can't be eating enough.

At least I have a shape: I'm not just skin and bones. Not all overweight people are overeaters, just like not all size zero women starve themselves.

Mikyla Dodd, 29, played Chloe Bruce in Channel 4's Hollyoaks. The actress, who is single and lives in London, is 6ft, size 18 and weighs 15st 7lb. When she joined ITV's Celebrity Fit Club in January last year, she weighed 19st 2lb but lost 44lb through healthy eating and exercise. Mikyla says:

Despite appearing on Hollyoaks, this is the first time I have ever been asked to take my clothes off for a glamorous photoshoot.

Are you incredulous at my audacity in believing the British public may want to see someone of my generous proportions naked? Or are you relieved that amid the size zero hype we are spoon-fed as a misguided interpretation of attractiveness, there's an image of a larger woman looking - if I do say so myself - pretty foxy?

I hope you conclude the latter, and that my pictures are the beginning of the womanly woman's fightback.

Why are we bombarded with airbrushed images of unobtainable female bodies - and made to feel inadequate if we don't match up? The trend for women to be ever-more skinny is frightening.

So Posh has the waist of a seven-year-old. Am I to go on a crash diet and develop an eating disorder in order to be in vogue? No, I'm not. I'm a real woman, with real curves - and more than a few wobbly bits thrown in. So what?

I am perfectly content with my lot. If I never lose another pound, I will be happy. I am a desirable woman. I've got great boobs and my last boyfriend said I had a nice bum. I've certainly got no inhibitions when it comes to the bedroom. I know for a fact that you don't have to be slim to be sexy.

I was a big child. I was also greedy and loved food. I gained weight quickly because, if I was hungry, I would eat at home then visit other people and say I hadn't eaten.

However, I do wonder whether I would have been so happy if I was a child in today's society. Things are so different now. I watched the TV footage about that poor 14st eight-year old who was in the newspapers the other week and thought it was a tragedy. I don't know how his mother can look at herself in the mirror.

My weight began to seriously rocket when I was 17 and started to prepare my own food. I was eating five or six meals a day and, at my heaviest when I was 21, I weighed nearly 25st and was a size 28. It wasn't a happy time and the only thing that alleviated my depression was food.

I was in complete denial about how big I was getting. I was working in the plus-size High Street shop Evans, so I always managed to buy clothes that would fit, allowing me to sink further into denial. I was permanently exhausted. But I still wouldn't accept how big I had got.

I feel much better now that I've lost some weight - but I'd never want to be a size zero. Pictures of people like Nicole Richie in her swimwear are so worrying. They are all skin and bone, and look as though they might snap.

The size zero craze is going to leave countless young women with eating disorders. I really fear for them.

I no longer feel I should be ashamed of being a bigger woman and I've got a much more relaxed view about my appearance. Men do not want to snuggle up to waifs. They want boobs and a bum.

I hope my pictures strike a chord. I may not have the best body in the world, but it's the only one I've got - so I love it, wobbly bits and all.
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  • NYCurlyGirlyNYCurlyGirly Posts: 1,012Registered Users
    this is so fascinating, thats for linking!! The size 0 chick looks truely ILL...And she claims to be healthy!! i'm sorry, but when I can count your ribs, that is not a good sign. Wow.
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  • KaiaKaia Posts: 8,815Registered Users
    OK, what the heck is an "st"? I have no concept of how much these people actually weigh. Although neither looks particularly healthy, which just goes to show that moderation is the way to go with most things.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Is the bigger woman a British size 18 or an American size 18? She's 6 feet tall, so yeah, she will wear a bigger size than the "average" height woman (who is about 5'5").

    The bigger woman's diet is definitely better but the article suggests it is a WEIGHT-LOSS DIET. So she is trying to (presumably) fix her past diet/lifestyle mistakes. And the smaller woman strikes me as an alcoholic.

    Definitely an interesting read! For me, the aesthetic ideal is somewhere in between these two women...but a tad closer to the smaller woman's build. But that's just me.

  • PartyHairPartyHair Posts: 7,713Registered Users
    Why do you say the smaller woman strikes you as an alcoholic? I think I missed something there.
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Spidey, do you mean the bigger woman? She's the one who has 10 vodkas on the weekend.
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  • CurlyBritChickCurlyBritChick Posts: 218Registered Users
    Bailey422 wrote:
    OK, what the heck is an "st"? I have no concept of how much these people actually weigh. Although neither looks particularly healthy, which just goes to show that moderation is the way to go with most things.

    "st" = stone. One stone = 14 pounds.

    Spiderlashes: the bigger woman is a UK size 18. The British media keep quoting the US size 0 rather than a UK size 4 as it sounds more dramatic!
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  • Who Me?Who Me? Posts: 3,181Registered Users
    Spiderlashes: the bigger woman is a UK size 18. The British media keep quoting the US size 0 rather than a UK size 4 as it sounds more dramatic!

    What's that, a US size 12 or so? That doesn't look right to me, since she's so tall. I think she looks like she'd be a US size 18.
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  • CynaminbearCynaminbear Posts: 4,476Registered Users
    I know several American size 0 women, and they don't look anything like that. I've met Carol in real life and she isn't too thin or bony; she's exactly where she should be, size-wise.
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  • Who Me?Who Me? Posts: 3,181Registered Users
    I did the math. In the pictures, the thin woman weighs 106 pounds. I think it said her height is just under 5'8". The bigger woman weighs 217 pounds. I think it said her height is 6'0".
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Amneris wrote:
    Spidey, do you mean the bigger woman? She's the one who has 10 vodkas on the weekend.

    Oh, I missed that. Could be she's one, too. LOL

    But the smaller woman drank with lunch, dinner and before bed. Is that a typical day for her?

  • SCGSCG Posts: 5,416Registered Users
    Amneris wrote:
    Spidey, do you mean the bigger woman? She's the one who has 10 vodkas on the weekend.

    Oh, I missed that. Could be she's one, too. LOL

    But the smaller woman drank with lunch, dinner and before bed. Is that a typical day for her?

    Where was this in the article? I'm not seeing it. The only time I saw her mention alcohol was in the clipping (with the picture), where she said she has one white wine spritzer a week... Am I missing something, here? :P

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  • SisaSisa Posts: 759Registered Users
    I know several American size 0 women, and they don't look anything like that. I've met Carol in real life and she isn't too thin or bony; she's exactly where she should be, size-wise.

    Carol's 5'-1", but the other chick is 5'-9".

    For the British lady (sorry, forgot the name) to be the same 'size' as Carol, she has to go down closer to the bones, so to speak. Less body fat.
  • Who Me?Who Me? Posts: 3,181Registered Users
    Amneris wrote:
    Spidey, do you mean the bigger woman? She's the one who has 10 vodkas on the weekend.

    Oh, I missed that. Could be she's one, too. LOL

    But the smaller woman drank with lunch, dinner and before bed. Is that a typical day for her?

    In the blurb under the picture, the only alcohol listed for the size 0 is a white wine spritzer once a week. Where are you seeing that she drank with lunch, dinner, and before bed?
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Amneris wrote:
    Spidey, do you mean the bigger woman? She's the one who has 10 vodkas on the weekend.

    Oh, I missed that. Could be she's one, too. LOL

    But the smaller woman drank with lunch, dinner and before bed. Is that a typical day for her?

    Where was this in the article? I'm not seeing it. The only time I saw her mention alcohol was in the clipping (with the picture), where she said she has one white wine spritzer a week... Am I missing something, here? :P

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    Yes, you are missing where it said she drank cordials w/water.

  • PartyHairPartyHair Posts: 7,713Registered Users
    Amneris wrote:
    Spidey, do you mean the bigger woman? She's the one who has 10 vodkas on the weekend.

    Oh, I missed that. Could be she's one, too. LOL

    But the smaller woman drank with lunch, dinner and before bed. Is that a typical day for her?

    Where was this in the article? I'm not seeing it. The only time I saw her mention alcohol was in the clipping (with the picture), where she said she has one white wine spritzer a week... Am I missing something, here? :P

    Sarah

    Yes, you are missing where it said she drank cordials w/water.

    Ah. Yes, I saw that too but I just figured "cordial" meant something different in British English.

    If it doesn't, yes, that teensy woman is drinking WAAAAY too much.
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  • PartyHairPartyHair Posts: 7,713Registered Users
    Sisa wrote:
    I know several American size 0 women, and they don't look anything like that. I've met Carol in real life and she isn't too thin or bony; she's exactly where she should be, size-wise.

    Carol's 5'-1", but the other chick is 5'-9".

    For the British lady (sorry, forgot the name) to be the same 'size' as Carol, she has to go down closer to the bones, so to speak. Less body fat.

    Yeah, 5'9 at 106 is pretty damned skinny. 5'1 at 106? Not so much.
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  • LAwomanLAwoman Posts: 2,949Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    OH - I think spiderlashes is referrring to the "cordial with water" in her lunch and dinner part. I missed that too --- is a cordial alcohol? Like frangelico or something?
  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    PartyHair wrote:
    Amneris wrote:
    Spidey, do you mean the bigger woman? She's the one who has 10 vodkas on the weekend.

    Oh, I missed that. Could be she's one, too. LOL

    But the smaller woman drank with lunch, dinner and before bed. Is that a typical day for her?

    Where was this in the article? I'm not seeing it. The only time I saw her mention alcohol was in the clipping (with the picture), where she said she has one white wine spritzer a week... Am I missing something, here? :P

    Sarah

    Yes, you are missing where it said she drank cordials w/water.

    Ah. Yes, I saw that too but I just figured "cordial" meant something different in British English.

    If it doesn't, yes, that teensy woman is drinking WAAAAY too much.

    Yes, if it's a typical day...you should be able to keep it together at least till the late evening without hitting the sauce. But seem people need some to steady their nerves or to give them a shot of confidence or whatever.

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    Where's Mip when we need her? :P
  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    LAwoman wrote:
    OH - I think spiderlashes is referrring to the "cordial with water" in her lunch and dinner part. I missed that too --- is a cordial alcohol? Like frangelico or something?

    Yes, a cordial is a liqueur...yes, same in the UK as it is in the US.

  • LucilleLucille Posts: 588Registered Users
    Wouldn't that be listed under "alcoholic beverages" then?

    Anyway, this is what was on Wikipedia. (Dictionary sites have similar information.)
    Cordial may refer to:

    Squash (drink), an extremely sweet non-alcoholic fruit flavoured drink concentrate that is diluted with water to taste. It is most popular in the UK, Australia and New Zealand.
    Syrup may refer to a similar beverage in the United States.
    Cordial (medicine), any invigorating and stimulating preparation; e.g. peppermint cordial
    Liqueur is often used as a synonym for an "alcoholic cordial". (Subtle differences in usage between the two terms are covered in the article).
    Cordial (candy), a type of candy, in which a fruit filling is placed within a chocolate shell
  • papayahedpapayahed Posts: 1,282Registered Users
    I'm wondering what a chocolate digestive is?
  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    LAwoman wrote:
    OH - I think spiderlashes is referrring to the "cordial with water" in her lunch and dinner part. I missed that too --- is a cordial alcohol? Like frangelico or something?

    I think since it isn't listed under alcohol it is just a type of juice... I seem to remember that when I lived in England some people called fruit drinks squash or cordial.
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  • LucilleLucille Posts: 588Registered Users
    Papaya: Swanky cookie, that is supposedly tastier than American cookies.
  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    papayahed wrote:
    I'm wondering what a chocolate digestive is?

    This I remember very well! It's a cookie with chocolate on the top and then plain (kind of sort of like arrowroot on the bottom.) The chocolate top is kind of ridged. A digestive is the plain part for the whole cookie.

    Lucille, I don't think they're that "swanky" though - they're just everyday cookies.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Amneris wrote:
    LAwoman wrote:
    OH - I think spiderlashes is referrring to the "cordial with water" in her lunch and dinner part. I missed that too --- is a cordial alcohol? Like frangelico or something?

    I think since it isn't listed under alcohol it is just a type of juice... I seem to remember that when I lived in England some people called fruit drinks squash or cordial.

    I remember people drinking cordials and getting trashed!

    The chocolate digestive...hmmm, maybe it's an Exlax? LOLOL

  • LucilleLucille Posts: 588Registered Users
    Amneris wrote:
    papayahed wrote:
    I'm wondering what a chocolate digestive is?

    This I remember very well! It's a cookie with chocolate on the top and then plain (kind of sort of like arrowroot on the bottom.) The chocolate top is kind of ridged. A digestive is the plain part for the whole cookie.

    Lucille, I don't think they're that "swanky" though - they're just everyday cookies.

    By "swanky," I mean they are a little more complex than a typical cookie. The recipes are not identical. So it's a little like calling "shortbread" a cookie. It kind of is, but not entirely. I think digestives are somewhat leavened, and cookies are usually not.
  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Lucille wrote:
    Amneris wrote:
    papayahed wrote:
    I'm wondering what a chocolate digestive is?

    This I remember very well! It's a cookie with chocolate on the top and then plain (kind of sort of like arrowroot on the bottom.) The chocolate top is kind of ridged. A digestive is the plain part for the whole cookie.

    Lucille, I don't think they're that "swanky" though - they're just everyday cookies.

    By "swanky," I mean they are a little more complex than a typical cookie. The recipes are not identical. So it's a little like calling "shortbread" a cookie. It kind of is, but not entirely. I think digestives are somewhat leavened, and cookies are usually not.

    Ah! :idea: Yes, the texture is somehow different than a regular chocolate chip or oatmeal cookie.
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  • LucilleLucille Posts: 588Registered Users
    Amneris wrote:
    Lucille wrote:
    Amneris wrote:
    papayahed wrote:
    I'm wondering what a chocolate digestive is?

    This I remember very well! It's a cookie with chocolate on the top and then plain (kind of sort of like arrowroot on the bottom.) The chocolate top is kind of ridged. A digestive is the plain part for the whole cookie.

    Lucille, I don't think they're that "swanky" though - they're just everyday cookies.

    By "swanky," I mean they are a little more complex than a typical cookie. The recipes are not identical. So it's a little like calling "shortbread" a cookie. It kind of is, but not entirely. I think digestives are somewhat leavened, and cookies are usually not.

    Ah! :idea: Yes, the texture is somehow different than a regular chocolate chip or oatmeal cookie.

    Actually, come to think of it, they're both leavened, but something about them is different.
  • hobbshobbs Posts: 327Registered Users
    I don't think cordial is alcoholic...I think maybe it CAN be, but it seems as though it's just fruit flavoured syrup that is diluted with water to make a sort of juice. My English friend drinks it all the time. If it had alcohol, I think it would have been listed under the alcohol section.

    Anyways, it looks like the small woman is sucking her stomach in a lot. Her ribs look puffed out with air.
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