Army hair regulations petition

chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
I didn't see this with a search and think people should see it. The regulation should at least be looked at. Granted, you join a branch of the services you know there are regulations but this does seem (rather like the beard restrictions for Sikhs) to be overly burdensome. At any rate, just putting it out there in case anyone is interested.

Black Female Soldiers Criticize Army's New Hairstyle Rules As Racially Biased
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  • wavypenwavypen Posts: 253Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I agree that these rules are racially biased and are overly burdensome for someone with type 4 natural hair.
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    And I get that you know you are joining a service but frankly if they want you to have one inch hair for easy maintainence then say it and have EVERYONE do it. However most of these styles would have less maintenance once in place than most.
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  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    I agree that the regulations appear racially biased. When I was working in Food Service we had rules like "hair had to be above the bottom of the collar". Stuff like that. Same rule for everyone and it didn't specify how wide your braid could be. That's ridiculous. There are some people out there with extraordinarily thick hair who would have very wide braids, too.
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  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    And just the option "But wear a weave or a wig then..", which really shows that this is about someone having the opinion about the look of the hair and something negative against classical protective styles for type four hair rather than it being about function.
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  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,136Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    It sounds as if the military needs a sensitivity and diversity training.

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  • Fifi.GFifi.G Posts: 15,490Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    It sounds as if the military needs a sensitivity and diversity training.

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    Haha. That's exactly when the Army will tell you to toughen up, they don't give a crap about your feelings, and get back in line. It has nothing to do with diversity and everything to do with strict conformity.

    I do think they need to apply some common sense. Wear wigs and straighten your hair in battle?? Not going to happen. I honestly do not doubt that some women have been wearing hair against regulation for some time. They did mention some of these styles were restricted in 05. (I know my cousin has had to reprimand some spray tanning ladies recently, which is clearly against regulation/grooming standard. They are not paying attention). I also do not doubt hair has caused a problem with their head gear. Some have much more hair than others. *I can't pull a hat off of most guys heads and wear it myself. There is going to be difference in fit for several women* I understand the width issues when it comes to safety measures, but you can not restrict everything for the enlisted natural population. Might as well shave the women's heads too if you're going to do that.
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  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Fifi.G wrote: »
    It sounds as if the military needs a sensitivity and diversity training.

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    Haha. That's exactly when the Army will tell you to toughen up, they don't give a crap about your feelings, and get back in line. It has nothing to do with diversity and everything to do with strict conformity.

    I do think they need to apply some common sense. Wear wigs and straighten your hair in battle?? Not going to happen. I honestly do not doubt that some women have been wearing hair against regulation for some time. They did mention some of these styles were restricted in 05. (I know my cousin has had to reprimand some spray tanning ladies recently, which is clearly against regulation/grooming standard. They are not paying attention). I also do not doubt hair has caused a problem with their head gear. Some have much more hair than others. *I can't pull a hat off of most guys heads and wear it myself. There is going to be difference in fit for several women* I understand the width issues when it comes to safety measures, but you can not restrict everything for the enlisted natural population. Might as well shave the women's heads too if you're going to do that.

    Well see that's what I'm saying! Then it's across the board. I just don't see how this can be considered anything but targeted.
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  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,136Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I agree that the military is all about strict conformity. It seems as of the military is a difficult place to be feminine and I wouldn't be surprised that if the military could get away with it most women would have the same hairstyles as men. The size of the braids shouldn't matter if the hair is neatly pulled back. And weaves are high maintenance so they don't belong in a ws r zone or the military.

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  • Fifi.GFifi.G Posts: 15,490Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Weaves, etc. do not belong in a military zone at all! Not even close, and it should not have been a suggestion.

    Again, I can see a possible issue with fit of your helmets when it comes to styles. *I keep picturing dreads getting snagged on everything* I could see that for anyone, if everyone was allowed to wear their hair as they wanted. Some men would have issues with that as well. When it comes to that type of head gear (as opposed to caps and dress uniform hats) the only thing you need to he concerned with is proper fit to help prevent head injuries and the ability to pull it on and off quickly while changing into the gear for possible chemical attacks. The style and look of your hair are less of a priority than the function in those situations. The Army is all about preparing you for those situations. That is part of what makes the comment about weaves and wigs so damn stupid (though "to be worn in combat" was not specifically shown in the article).

    The Army is hard a hard place to be feminine. People should be very aware of that when they sign up. It's not supposed to be easy on anyone and it is not the place for makeup and fake bakes. It has nothing to do with a beauty standard, but a grooming and functionality standard.
    When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

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  • Fifi.GFifi.G Posts: 15,490Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    chupie wrote: »
    Fifi.G wrote: »
    It sounds as if the military needs a sensitivity and diversity training.

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    Haha. That's exactly when the Army will tell you to toughen up, they don't give a crap about your feelings, and get back in line. It has nothing to do with diversity and everything to do with strict conformity.

    I do think they need to apply some common sense. Wear wigs and straighten your hair in battle?? Not going to happen. I honestly do not doubt that some women have been wearing hair against regulation for some time. They did mention some of these styles were restricted in 05. (I know my cousin has had to reprimand some spray tanning ladies recently, which is clearly against regulation/grooming standard. They are not paying attention). I also do not doubt hair has caused a problem with their head gear. Some have much more hair than others. *I can't pull a hat off of most guys heads and wear it myself. There is going to be difference in fit for several women* I understand the width issues when it comes to safety measures, but you can not restrict everything for the enlisted natural population. Might as well shave the women's heads too if you're going to do that.

    Well see that's what I'm saying! Then it's across the board. I just don't see how this can be considered anything but targeted.

    I do think it is targeted, but I am not ruling out functionality actually causing some problems when it comes to a few specific styles (again DL's or specific styles that might make it easier for parts of helmets to snag on braids or locks, etc.). They are going to have to realize a necessity for protective styles but at the same time, I can see actual valid reasons why some would be restricted.
    When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

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  • Fifi.GFifi.G Posts: 15,490Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Then again... I don't know what a lot of helmets look like on the inside now, but my dad had some old ones. Lots of elastic bands and bits of metal or plastic on the inside. Straps, etc. I know they often have headsets fitted through them now. I can't even take off my headset at work without ripping half my hair out. So I am just thinking on the practical, need to do something quick! quick! quick!, side while keeping that in mind.

    (The section about headbands was kind of funny. "Has to be plain". Nothing bejeweled, ladies. Camouflage and rhinestones do not mix, unless you're from the south).
    When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

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  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    But again for those trains then I think short hair should be mandatory across the board.
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  • Fifi.GFifi.G Posts: 15,490Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    chupie wrote: »
    But again for those trains then I think short hair should be mandatory across the board.

    I agree with that. I would rather see women with pixies than women without heads.
    When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

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  • AmyShortAmyShort Posts: 29Registered Users
    I'm in the military and our rule is females can't have hair SHORTER than one inch and we can't wear faddish hairstyles while in uniform. That means no braids wider than an inch (meaning french braids or braids with designs) and it has to be worn up if it longer than the bottom of the collar in the back etc. Race has nothing to do with it, it is an across the board rule. Just my little input.
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  • OmissOmiss Posts: 16Registered Users
    I think race does come into an "across the board" rule if a hairstyle that is not faddish, but actually a traditional and practical style for people of a particular racial heritage is banned for being faddish, and therefore one racial group are affected more by the rule than others.
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  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,136Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Omiss wrote: »
    I think race does come into an "across the board" rule if a hairstyle that is not faddish, but actually a traditional and practical style for people of a particular racial heritage is banned for being faddish, and therefore one racial group are affected more by the rule than others.

    Completely agree.

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  • AmyShortAmyShort Posts: 29Registered Users
    These women joined knowing there were going to be rules. I had to cut of 10 inches of my hair so I could be in regs and while I wasn't happy about it, I did it because it is a rule.The military is not telling women how to wear their hair when they aren't in uniform I know from experience that you can have natural hair in the military. But when in uniform, there are standards. But that is just my opinion from the inside I guess.
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  • BluebloodBlueblood Posts: 1,748Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    AmyShort wrote: »
    These women joined knowing there were going to be rules. I had to cut of 10 inches of my hair so I could be in regs and while I wasn't happy about it, I did it because it is a rule.The military is not telling women how to wear their hair when they aren't in uniform I know from experience that you can have natural hair in the military. But when in uniform, there are standards. But that is just my opinion from the inside I guess.

    It's not about not knowing the rules it's about changing them once people have signed up to ban hair styles that Black women around the world wear traditionally with natural afro hair.

    You can argue that most African-Americans in States don't have those traditions but then you need to look at your country's history and how White people have treated non-White people to maintain power.

    So yes it is racist.
  • OmissOmiss Posts: 16Registered Users
    But people make these rules, and people protest about rules that they see a good reason to object to, and that is one way how things change for the better. If no one had objected to the rules at one time, there wouldn't be any women in the US army.
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  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,136Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    But these women are protesting.

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  • BluebloodBlueblood Posts: 1,748Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    But these women are protesting.

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    And the protest is being skewed to make them look unreasonable.

    This has reached news sites in other countries and responses from non-Black people are generally along the lines "Why don't they shave their hair of then?"

    The Black women and men who point out this isn't allowed, and neither are big afros are ignored.
  • OmissOmiss Posts: 16Registered Users
    Yes, I was not saying that they should protest, I was trying to say that it is entirely acceptable that they are protesting. I was countering the argument that they knew there would be rules when they joined the army, I do not see that as a good point to make, because protesting unfair and inappropriate rules is a totally constructive thing to do.
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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    There was a time when the US military was racially segregated and blacks were given substandard pay and gear yet fought and died for a country that treated them like second class citizens and wouldn't vive the right to vote. If people never spoke out against unfair rules things would never change. So they whole they signed up for it doesn't hold weight for me . Plus as mentioned some women like my cousin enlisted before the rule change. I think military suggesting cornrows as "faddish" is offensive. This is a part of black culture that goes back for centuries. The smaller the braids the more time consuming it is to do. If I was in the national guard and had weekend drill and needed to get my hair in a helmet twists or chunky cornrows would be my easiest and best quickest option. Both are banned. Please tell me how a hair cut less than an inch affects job performance? I know many black women who wear a style called a twa. I cut my hair super short when I bc'ed from a relaxer.
    If this is not racist then let them ban freaking blonde hair dye and highlites. IMO bleaching hair is way more faddish than cornrows could ever be.
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