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Cherub, Wavy or S wavy?

So I got my hands on the curly girl book and I am wondering on what my curls are??

My hair frizz almost all the time but it could actually be the damage from dying. I have some ringlets here and there

Now I am attaching a pic because as they say a picture is way better
2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Growing out color/heat damage
M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
DT: EVOO, C.O
HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014

Comments

  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    you look 2b/c here but i'm wondering if you're not actually more 2c/3a. bleach can change the curl pattern.
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  • KaZenner1990KaZenner1990 Posts: 859Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    you look 2b/c here but i'm wondering if you're not actually more 2c/3a. bleach can change the curl pattern.

    I actually think the same thing. Some strands on the nape of my neck are very tight ringlets and from the past my hair loves mouse. Here is a picture of hair with my natural color and some sparingly highlights, it's taken on 2008

    The thing is that curly girl book has categorized type of curls and routines. I am close to cherub curls I think but never on the past I used cond as much as I use now and my hair were never as moisturised. I have seen that what makes me lose definition is dryness. I can't identify what my hair looks like atm :neutral:
    2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Growing out color/heat damage
    M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
    LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
    CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
    DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
    Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
    DT: EVOO, C.O
    HG
    Goal: WL when curly
    CG since Feb 2014
  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    Based on the books categories I would say based on how it looks now I would say wavy in the back and cherub curls in the front. However, you do seem to have root-curl tendencies and the hair up there seems to curl more than lower down, while the weight should give the opposite effect. That makes me think that you have a fair bit of damage. So, my guess is that you either belong to the cherub category all over or botticelli. I don't think you need to be absolute sure though, just take a guess and if you hesitate, read both and try to go with something in the middle or test both. You will still need to figure out how much to leave in to use etc anyway so it's not written in stone.

    Regarding the number-letter system, I think you are currently at a 2B/2C/3A, with mainly 2B in the back and some hints of 3A in the front. I would expect this to change though as your hair gets healthier.
    CG since 8th of September 2013 - learning in progress!

    3a/m/iii - waist length wet
    Cleanser: Naturelle Volumizing
    Conditioner/LI: Garnier Respons Avocadooil and Shea Butter, Schwarzkopf Gliss Ultimate Volume Conditioner
    Styling: Eldorado Hairgel Strong
  • yestheyrerealyestheyrereal Posts: 54Registered Users
    Your hair looks a LOT like mine. It's tighter 3a/b botticelli curls around my face and in the back underneath with loose 2c swaves and some loose ringlets in the back. As I condition it more and treat it better my waves in the back are turning into some ringlets as it grows. I highlight regularly so I condition a lot. My hair also LOVES coconut oil prepoo treatments.
    2c/3a
    Low-high porosity, fine/medium, high density thick hair, highlighted
    Modified CG since 12/2013
  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Posts: 1,099Banned Users
    Your hair looks a LOT like mine. It's tighter 3a/b botticelli curls around my face and in the back underneath with loose 2c swaves and some loose ringlets in the back. As I condition it more and treat it better my waves in the back are turning into some ringlets as it grows. I highlight regularly so I condition a lot. My hair also LOVES coconut oil prepoo treatments.

    Yep, that's just about how mine is. The entire "underneath" is much more curly than the top layer but the area around the face has developed tighter, more well defined curls lately and the back is looking pretty curly now too. The stuff right on the back of my neck has always been tight ringlets; my grandpa "claimed" one of them when I was a kid and my family referred to it as "grandpa's curl".

    I've never colored my hair. When I was a teen I used to use lemon juice in the sun to lighten it and then moved to OTC peroxide sprayed in to lighten it. Did that for a year or so but it's been probably 30 years or more since I've done that.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


    All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier. :)
  • KaZenner1990KaZenner1990 Posts: 859Registered Users
    Omg you really think that my hair could be botticelli?? Not in my wildest dreams!!! I am positivly speechless and that gives me motive to continue my cg routine!!!

    Although as you said I do have a lot of damage which make my hair tangly and causes me more shed. And inevitable I have to use more condish to detangle. I tried finger combing but my hands didn't got through.

    Also my hair as soon as dews went up oils cause me so much frizz. Why is that? When dews were below 40 my hair was cooperative. Now it's so misbehaving. Should I give finger detangling one more chance? My tangles look like fuzzy balls. I will pre poo again on next wash and see how it works. And oily scalp might be not good massaging actually. J used another co wash this time that made my roots not to be stuck on my head but.... I had to detangle and that messed up everything.

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    M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
    LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
    CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
    DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
    Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
    DT: EVOO, C.O
    HG
    Goal: WL when curly
    CG since Feb 2014
  • yestheyrerealyestheyrereal Posts: 54Registered Users
    I've tried just finger detangling and it's just not enough for me. I use a wide tooth comb after applying my leave in. Gives me good distribution and detangles better. I just make sure it's still very wet and scrunch well after to encourage the curl pattern.

    Have you tried a protein treatment?
    2c/3a
    Low-high porosity, fine/medium, high density thick hair, highlighted
    Modified CG since 12/2013
  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    When the dews go up there is more moisture in the air and if you don't add enough products with ingredients that make sure the hair have enough moisture it will try to steal some from the air => More frizz. Do you use a conditioner as leave in?

    Regarding curl type, it is really hard to say until you've taken good care of your hair for a while and have learned how to style it. I only have real damage at my ends, which still is i n fairly good condition, but six months in my hair keeps on changing and the hair growing out since I started is in a very different condition to the rest. Also, the seasons will affect your curls as well. :)
    CG since 8th of September 2013 - learning in progress!

    3a/m/iii - waist length wet
    Cleanser: Naturelle Volumizing
    Conditioner/LI: Garnier Respons Avocadooil and Shea Butter, Schwarzkopf Gliss Ultimate Volume Conditioner
    Styling: Eldorado Hairgel Strong
  • KaZenner1990KaZenner1990 Posts: 859Registered Users
    I ordered my hair analysis today from Goosefootprints on etsy yays!!!

    yestheyrereal, I tried wide tooth comb but I can't do the back of my head at all, as you might guess it's the driest and most damaged part of my whole head, so instead I use tangle teezer original or my new addition tangle teezer splash. Also I made a protein based on Science-y Hair Blog but I prepared half the amount she suggested and I used sheets and by the time I would apply it, it became solid.


    Jimipe, so from what I pick up the higher the dews the more moisture my hair should have or better sealing? Yes I use my cowash as my LI as the one I was using before, and unfortunatly loving to death, had silicones in it and it eventually build up on my hair.

    So the healthier my hair gets the easier to handle? I haven't finished the book yet so I might miss some points atm.
    2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Growing out color/heat damage
    M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
    LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
    CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
    DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
    Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
    DT: EVOO, C.O
    HG
    Goal: WL when curly
    CG since Feb 2014
  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    KaZenner1990, yes, the healthier the hair the easier to handle. As long as you know how to handle it. :P You don't have to compensate for damage to the same level.

    To make it super-simple, the hair tries to get to the same moisture level as the surroundings. When the dews are really low the air is super dry. As you don't want your hair to get superdry you will have to seal in moisture so that it cannot escape. It gets even more complicated as some products that work well on binding water in higher dews actually can extract water from the hair in the low dews.

    When the dews are optimal there is no need to seal in the moisture as it will not leak moisture (=water) to the air. You will however need to make sure the hair has enough moisture so that it does not start feeding on the water in the air and becomes frizzy.

    Go and try to find a schampo you can wash the silicone out with and a co-wash that is silicone free. :) I would start with that and then you can go figure the rest of the things out along the way.
    CG since 8th of September 2013 - learning in progress!

    3a/m/iii - waist length wet
    Cleanser: Naturelle Volumizing
    Conditioner/LI: Garnier Respons Avocadooil and Shea Butter, Schwarzkopf Gliss Ultimate Volume Conditioner
    Styling: Eldorado Hairgel Strong
  • KaZenner1990KaZenner1990 Posts: 859Registered Users
    Jimipe wrote: »
    Go and try to find a schampo you can wash the silicone out with and a co-wash that is silicone free. :) I would start with that and then you can go figure the rest of the things out along the way.

    I did when I found out I had build up or something was coating my hair causing it not to be able to suck anything and become dry the more I applied conditioner. Honestly it had never happened to me before so I know how it feels. But is it possible one wash didn't manage to take them out? I did one wash on one washing session and followed with my co-wash.

    Regularly I was using a low poo but all my hair length prefers co wash. When I do Co-washing thought roots are complaining and become droopy.

    That is why I applied for a hair analysis.
    2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Growing out color/heat damage
    M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
    LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
    CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
    DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
    Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
    DT: EVOO, C.O
    HG
    Goal: WL when curly
    CG since Feb 2014
  • KaZenner1990KaZenner1990 Posts: 859Registered Users
    After todays wash I think I am so in love!!!! After reading the book everything seems so possible!!! Hair seems to love co wash. Length still tangles but I think I kicked it's butt on the past and it objects for now.


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    2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Growing out color/heat damage
    M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
    LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
    CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
    DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
    Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
    DT: EVOO, C.O
    HG
    Goal: WL when curly
    CG since Feb 2014
  • KaZenner1990KaZenner1990 Posts: 859Registered Users
    Here is how it looks after a few hours after washing. Roots seem a bit stuck and droopy but ehhh you can't have it all right?

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    M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
    LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
    CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
    DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
    Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
    DT: EVOO, C.O
    HG
    Goal: WL when curly
    CG since Feb 2014
  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    I see some spirals in the back now too, and, that is definitely fitting the description of botticelli I would say. The whole rope-like etc. :)

    Yes, the flat on top is the sudden appearence, before CG I never was flat up here. Try clipping, clipping + gel up there and/or styling upside down. Remember to fluff your roots once it is all dry. :)
    CG since 8th of September 2013 - learning in progress!

    3a/m/iii - waist length wet
    Cleanser: Naturelle Volumizing
    Conditioner/LI: Garnier Respons Avocadooil and Shea Butter, Schwarzkopf Gliss Ultimate Volume Conditioner
    Styling: Eldorado Hairgel Strong
  • KaZenner1990KaZenner1990 Posts: 859Registered Users
    I was thinking about clipping but I seem to lack effectiveness. I end up with disturbed curls. I didn't diffuse though as usually. Only air dry. I have seen some jaw clips on YouTube and I wonder if they would work better than duck clips?

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    M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
    LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
    CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
    DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
    Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
    DT: EVOO, C.O
    HG
    Goal: WL when curly
    CG since Feb 2014
  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    Figuring out how to clip is difficult... Regarding jaw clips, I've considered those but I usually just find that they mess up my clumping. I do however use fairly small ones to clip my front hair away from my face.
    CG since 8th of September 2013 - learning in progress!

    3a/m/iii - waist length wet
    Cleanser: Naturelle Volumizing
    Conditioner/LI: Garnier Respons Avocadooil and Shea Butter, Schwarzkopf Gliss Ultimate Volume Conditioner
    Styling: Eldorado Hairgel Strong
  • KaZenner1990KaZenner1990 Posts: 859Registered Users
    Yea that is what happened to me as well. Unclumped separated curls.

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    M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
    LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
    CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
    DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
    Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
    DT: EVOO, C.O
    HG
    Goal: WL when curly
    CG since Feb 2014
  • KaZenner1990KaZenner1990 Posts: 859Registered Users
    So I have got a new coconut oil (to my opinion the one I am using now is pure coconut oil while the previous one was not).

    What I noticed is that ,besides my lower nape on the neck strands, my top layer has started to form coils/ 3A definition. Although yet my right side, which is the side that has more hair than the left, seems to not want to curl. Its the side I have bangs if that is relevant.

    Oh also what can I tell to my stylist according to my bangs? I want to have bangs but because my hair curls towards my face from that side they get stuck on my face too much and bother the heck out of me :/
    This is how my hair looks atm2014-04-13 03.43.36.jpg

    A strand from near the ear instead of the back2014-04-13 03.44.30.jpg

    Would you consider that as frizz or flyways? That happens when my hair starts to dry after wash2014-04-13 03.44.03.jpg
    2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Growing out color/heat damage
    M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
    LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
    CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
    DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
    Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
    DT: EVOO, C.O
    HG
    Goal: WL when curly
    CG since Feb 2014
  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    Regarding more happening in certain places, it is expected. Your hair will not behave exactly the same all over your head and you most likely have slightly different damage in certain areas, plus sleep more on one side etc. Just give it time. If there is any persistent large differences once your hair has stabilized its curl pattern, then you'd might consider doing something more about it but for now I would honestly just focus on getting to know your hair and figure out what works and what doesn't. :)

    Regarding frizz, there will always be some. On that level I would say that you'd better just accept it. Most people won't notice it anyway. If it gets worse during the day, consider applying a bit extra gel in the area.
    CG since 8th of September 2013 - learning in progress!

    3a/m/iii - waist length wet
    Cleanser: Naturelle Volumizing
    Conditioner/LI: Garnier Respons Avocadooil and Shea Butter, Schwarzkopf Gliss Ultimate Volume Conditioner
    Styling: Eldorado Hairgel Strong
  • KaZenner1990KaZenner1990 Posts: 859Registered Users
    How long should my hair take to stabilize its curl patern? Also until then should I cut my hair or even trim it at all?

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    M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
    LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
    CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
    DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
    Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
    DT: EVOO, C.O
    HG
    Goal: WL when curly
    CG since Feb 2014
  • livingbcof316livingbcof316 Posts: 21Registered Users
    lovely hair! I think my curl pattern is a lot like yours, only my hair is longer and curls not as defined on a regular basis. =Z Do you mind if I ask what your routine is? =)
  • KaZenner1990KaZenner1990 Posts: 859Registered Users
    lovely hair! I think my curl pattern is a lot like yours, only my hair is longer and curls not as defined on a regular basis. =Z Do you mind if I ask what your routine is? =)

    Awwwwww no one has asked my hair routine before!!!! I am so happy :happy2: :happy2:

    Please take into account my properties:
    m/c texture, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium/High Density


    I lately have changed my routine and started cowashing and acgtually made it to work! I do everything with flipped head unless I state otherwise

    Steps:
    -Wet my hair upside, preferably with the shower as far as I can from my head, while I scrunch slowly to fully wet hair.
    -Started cowashing by putting my cowash, that is a local brand conditioner that is mostly pure protein, on my fingertips like I would put toothpaste on my tooth brush, and massage really really really really really really...REALLY thoroughly all over my scalp. Still with my head fliped upside.
    -I then may let some CO or rinse some and add my detangling condish my scrunching it is until I stop hearing the sqishing sound. I let it sit for as long as I do all the other stuff in my shower(wash body, shave etc). Again my head is mostly upside and I am kinda blind :toothy9: but it gives me root volume.
    -when I feel that my hair is soft enough I start detangling with my tangle teezer ,the aqua splash one. I do that in sections and then run the tangle teezer at the end in big chunks of hair and twist them.
    -Now I would flip my hair the right way and rinse some of the condish out but I would part my hair before everything was rinsed as it would mess up my clumps.
    -Then I would add my 2 heavy ones. GF Pure Clean,that I adore as LI as well!, and a heavy mask I have with carite milk. Let them sit for a few and then cool rinse them out. I found out that cool rinse wasn't working because my hair wouldn't be enough conditioned when the cuticle was closing.
    - Get out of the shower with dripping hair ( I might have already applied my LI while in the shower because it would be easier). Apply LI or add some more if I have already applied it and my hair seems a bit prone to tangle.
    -Now in winter I would seal hair with almond oil but in mid range dews it makes my hair object even wet it's still wet.
    -Use a tshirt to take some moisture out(until I see some curling happening).
    -Scrunch my mousse in and then scrunch the excess out. Not that much though as it mousse is never too much on my hair. While I apply my stylers I ulternate fliping right or upside down on demand to fix or give a curl boost on a side or part of head.
    -Smooth over my gel and twist each side of hair then scrunch with the tshirt as it gives me less messy tangled look than my fingers.
    -Lately I have been using my sealment after my gel and it seems to work better,
    -Plop for maybe an hour or even more and diffuse if I have to go out or let air dry if I am home.

    During nightime I wear a satin cap and I have my hair in a pinaple(it helps with volume on 2nd day) and I have tied a satin scarf around my pillow until I get a proper pillowcase.


    2nd/3rd/4th day refresh:

    -I wet my hair with levander concoction from the curly girl book just to smooth frizziness and I might smooth on some LI and gel as my gel helps with my curl definition. Scrunch with my hands a little as more has caused my frizz.


    OMG that is a lot lol!!!
    2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Growing out color/heat damage
    M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
    LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
    CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
    DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
    Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
    DT: EVOO, C.O
    HG
    Goal: WL when curly
    CG since Feb 2014
  • livingbcof316livingbcof316 Posts: 21Registered Users
    Goodness, that is a lot... Thanks so much for writing it all out for me! ;-) My routine is quite a bit simpler than that right now, but you wrote out multiple things that I would like to try! What made you decide on mousse over gel as a styler? I've tried mousse and liked it, I just seem to go through it sooo quickly; I have to use so much of it! =)
  • KaZenner1990KaZenner1990 Posts: 859Registered Users
    At the beginning my hair was getting oily easier so mousse was making it less flat. This is what made me try it. After the first application I saw it gave me awesome root curls so I just added gel on top to try a preserve that. There are days I might do less but my hair gets thirsty very easy. If I don't condition it enough on wash day then it is pure dry. Lately it has been giving me always frizz but dews are higher atm so I need to do trial and error.


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    2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Growing out color/heat damage
    M/C, Low/Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
    LP: INSIGHT DAMAGED HAIR Restructurizing Shampoo
    CO: Generic protein conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
    DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner +/mask,
    Styler: Schwarzkopf Taft Fixing GelWellaflex Instant Volume Boost Mousse
    DT: EVOO, C.O
    HG
    Goal: WL when curly
    CG since Feb 2014