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I NEED a full course on hair!

Hi everyone! :) I have never taken care of my hair and it has always been REALLY short. It's basically guy hair. But lately I've been trying to take care of my hair. I've been following the "curly girl" method, but with the exception of using a sulfate free shampoo. I need to learn how to style my hair though. I don't even know how/if I can put my hair into a bun or braid it, and that seems pretty basic. Ill post a pic I found that looks exactly like my hair when the site will allow me to. I know it looks horrible, but I just don't know what to do with it, but I know being a white girl in high school with an Afro like that isn't an option. Not trying to be racist but that does seem to have an effect on hairstyle. I would really appreciate any help I can get so I don't look stupid anymore.
~Krissy
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  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users
    I'm confused. When you say you've been following the CG method with the exception of using a sulfate free shampoo, do you mean that you're using one? If so, please rest assured that that's perfectly alright within the system.

    I think that it would probably find it extremely helpful to get a copy of Curly Girl:The Handbook, by Lorraine Massey, as this would answer a lot of your questions, and have helpful suggestions (for instance, about styling).
    Peace,
    Morgan

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  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    Before the CG method I used to always wear my hair in braids. That was the limit of my hair knowledge. Based on what you are saying here I highly recommend you to get the book "Curly Girl: The Handbook": It is fairly cheap and contains the introductory course to taking care of your hair that you need. Curly Girl is much more than just washing. :)
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  • KrissyBKrissyB Posts: 12Registered Users
    What I ment by using a sulfate-free shampoo. Is that I am using one. I believe that the CG method says to use no shampoo. The one I'm using now is "Shea Moisture Moisture Retention Shampoo", and I'm also using their hair masque every two weeks. I'm about to start using "tresemme naturals nourishing moisture conditioner", and "Ouidad Climate Control Heat And Humidity Gel". Should I also get a Moroccan argon oil? How exactly do you pronounce Ouidad? I'll post updates about these products as I try them, but how do I cover every single hair? I have really thick hair and I've notice I can get the top and get the bottom, but the middle layer area still not be covered. Is this normal? When I pulled my hair up to measure the diameter for the thickness classification it was easily over 4 inches, and I couldn't even get it all up!
  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    CG-method allows for sulfate-free gentle cleansers that are not conditioners.

    Regarding covering, the answer in section it up! I also have really thick hair and there is no chance I can distribute the product evenly without sectioning it. Did the mistake in the beginning to try to just scrunch things in. Not a chance. Some people prefer raking it in but even then I need sections to be able to do it properly.
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  • KrissyBKrissyB Posts: 12Registered Users
    Can I even section my short hair? creative fan com/hairstyles-for-men-with-thick-hair/ Put that together and look at the "Thick Curly Medium Hairstyle" towards the bottom of the page. It wouldn't let me post the link together, but this is the best way to show what my hair is currently like. My bangs are a little bit longer than that pic, but it was the best one I could find. I am really tired of putting up with short hair so I won't have a huge frizzy Afro though. If I try to brush out my hair with a wide tooth comb in the shower it gets really frizzy when it dries. This might mean it needs more moisture though. I can't imagine what it would do if I sectioned it though. What do you think?
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I can't figure out where that pic is at?
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    KrissyB wrote: »
    What I ment by using a sulfate-free shampoo. Is that I am using one. I believe that the CG method says to use no shampoo. The one I'm using now is "Shea Moisture Moisture Retention Shampoo", and I'm also using their hair masque every two weeks. I'm about to start using "tresemme naturals nourishing moisture conditioner", and "Ouidad Climate Control Heat And Humidity Gel". Should I also get a Moroccan argon oil? How exactly do you pronounce Ouidad? I'll post updates about these products as I try them, but how do I cover every single hair? I have really thick hair and I've notice I can get the top and get the bottom, but the middle layer area still not be covered. Is this normal? When I pulled my hair up to measure the diameter for the thickness classification it was easily over 4 inches, and I couldn't even get it all up!

    I believe it is pronounced "wee-dad".

    Just so you are aware, I think there is a silicone in the Climate Control gel, and the Shea Moisture shampoo will not take the silicone out. You will need a sulfate free shampoo with coco betaine. Yes To Cucumbers is a good one you can find in the drugstore.

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  • KrissyBKrissyB Posts: 12Registered Users
    Chupie, it's the 10th pic down I think. Would Shea Moisture black African Soap work with the ouidad gel too?
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    KrissyB wrote: »
    Chupie, it's the 10th pic down I think. Would Shea Moisture black African Soap work with the ouidad gel too?

    But on what page?
  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Posts: 1,255Registered Users
    KrissyB wrote: »
    Chupie, it's the 10th pic down I think. Would Shea Moisture black African Soap work with the ouidad gel too?

    This one?
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  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    If it's the picture linked to above: I section my boyfriends super-thick hair when I cut him and it is at most that length. Get some good super-long clips and it should be fine. But just for styling I don't think you would have that much of an issue. As the upper layers does not lie on the lower ones, which it easily does with long hair you should be able to distribute product evenly without sectioning if you just are careful and make sure you do each area.

    As for the soap, I would be careful. If you are new at this it is better to take a product that works for more people, like the schampo you were recommended, than to pick a product that can both be damaging and cause build up, which might be hard to notice, identify and deal with if you are new to this.
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  • KrissyBKrissyB Posts: 12Registered Users
    Yes, that's the picture. I've gotten used to picking out bad products by now. My mom has always loved my curls, since she has really fine straight hair. And she buys all kinds of cheap products because they say they were made for curly hair. I usually end up having to use a clarifying shampoo to get it all out. I think I can tell fairly well about the products then. I just want to know if that particular shampoo can remove the silicone from the Ouidad gel.
  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    It is very possible to use cheap products. All my products are really cheap, in my experience it is actually easier to find cheap products without silicones etc. You have to be very careful with them though and read on everything. (low-poos that are cheap seem to be harder to find though)
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  • KrissyBKrissyB Posts: 12Registered Users
    I realize some inexpensive products are good, but "cheap" products no matter what they cost aren't good. Sorry for being an English nazi, but it really makes it easier to talk over the internet if it's clear what everyone means.
  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    I'm not sure what you mean by cheap but according to every dictionary I own cheap has two meanings, where one is inexpensive. You are welcome to point out mistakes but I would like to remind you that even English is a language spoken in several different areas of the world and the usual meaning of a world where you usually communicate might not be the same in another part. Words can also have several meanings.
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  • KrissyBKrissyB Posts: 12Registered Users
    I'm starting to really reconsider the ouidad gel. I'm not sure what I need . The Shea moisture shampoo has been great for my hair compared to what I had been using, but It seems to dry out my hair at first. My hair feels like it should about the third day after the wash, but then it's time to wash again. Do I need to find another shampoo? Or just wait and see when I finally get a cone free conditioner? I'm not using any conditioner right now other than the hair mask every 2 weeks which makes my hair feel great, so I don't see any reason to change that. I like my curls, but I don't want them to get any tighter. Does this mean I don't want definition? Can you recommend products detailing what each one does and provide a link to a website where I can look at it? I can tell what products are just really horrible for my hair/ causing build up/ dryness/ ect. , but I'm not sure what's an acceptable level given the circumstances and how the products are reacting to each other.
  • KrissyBKrissyB Posts: 12Registered Users
    Jimipe wrote: »
    I'm not sure what you mean by cheap but according to every dictionary I own cheap has two meanings, where one is inexpensive. You are welcome to point out mistakes but I would like to remind you that even English is a language spoken in several different areas of the world and the usual meaning of a world where you usually communicate might not be the same in another part. Words can also have several meanings.

    I'm aware of that, and people here use cheap exchangeably with inexpensive, but it seems, to me at least, that it would be a lot simpler to have a distinction between the two. I apologize if I offended you.
  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    I agree that it makes it a lot easier if everyone understands each other. Absolutely. It does however not mean that one usage of a word suddenly is wrong, and clearly not in this case. You could just have said "Oh, I see you misunderstood me, I meant cheap as in X and you seem to be as in Y". :)

    Regarding curl pattern, I would honestly suggest starting by trying to get a routine that works and after that, when your curl pattern is at it's best natural, then consider trying to manipulate the curl texture. Very often people grow to like the curls when they see them as they should be, and even if you don't, it is usually easier to try to get one thing working than doing a lot of new things at once.

    Using shampoo, even a low-poo or no-poo one, without rinse-out conditioner does not sound very healthy. It might well be why it seems drying to you. Are you at least using some leave-in conditioner?
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  • KrissyBKrissyB Posts: 12Registered Users
    No I'm not. My hair is in a lot better shape than it was though. I haven't been able to find any of the products that I was looking for around here. I'm probably going to have to order most products, or drive a long way to get them. So I figure I'll save some time and just order them. I could go look through a bunch of lables and try to find something, but I'd rather not do that either.
  • KrissyBKrissyB Posts: 12Registered Users
    Ok how does this sound for a starting point? I'll keep my current shampoo, maybe try a deva curl one later. Get the tresemme naturals nourishing moisture conditioner, sheamoisture raw shea butter restorative conditioner as a leave in, and Darcy's botanicals sweet cocoa bean curl smoothing cream for styling. I don't think I like gels, mousses, or anything waxy because of the way they feel in my hair.
  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    I would just get the Tresemme, and use that for both rinse-out and leave in. You really don't need two different conditioners if one will do the trick for you. And try diluting the shampoo--you'll find that you can use a lot less that way!
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  • JimipeJimipe Posts: 276Registered Users
    Also, regarding gel/mousse/etc. I had the exact same view on them. Ihate when my hair feels producty/waxy/like it has stuff on it. The point however is that there are plenty of CG-approved gels that once you scrunch out the crunch don't leave anything you can feel on your hair at all. Even if they are hard-hold. I think it's because they are water soluble so they cannot really stick into the sticky-icky stuff in them. Another option is flax seed gel, works well and you can really make it the way you want.

    Regarding conditioner, I would also suggest just starting with one. The Tresemmé is probably good, but check the ingredients, they seem to have changed the content of that one. :( That + a gel + diluting your current shampoo should give you a good start, and then you can switch, add and change based on how this goes.
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    Styling: Eldorado Hairgel Strong
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users
    Ah! Then what you're doing is the cg method. Products that do not have sulfate detergents or silicones in them are part of the method.

    Getting a copy of the book would be very helpful, and prevent needless confusion and concern.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • KrissyBKrissyB Posts: 12Registered Users
    I saw where they had changed the formula since the reviews I had seen, and since all the new reviews were terrible I decided not to get it. However I think I will get the SheaMoisture one. I also got a copy of the cg book. I haven't finished it yet though.
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    KrissyB wrote: »
    I know it looks horrible, but I just don't know what to do with it, but I know being a white girl in high school with an Afro like that isn't an option. Not trying to be racist but that does seem to have an effect on hairstyle.

    I never replied to you in this thread because of this comment, and I regret not addressing it right away and I'm surprised no one else in this thread addressed it either.

    Please refrain from putting down type 4 hair. It is nasty and unnecessary and yes racist. Just because your hair is frizzy or whatever doesn't make it 4-type hair, or similar to 4-type hair. Type 4 is beautiful and unique and is not your type 2 or type 3 being frizzy or not doing whatever it is that you want it to do.
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  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Posts: 1,099Banned Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    KrissyB wrote: »
    I know it looks horrible, but I just don't know what to do with it, but I know being a white girl in high school with an Afro like that isn't an option. Not trying to be racist but that does seem to have an effect on hairstyle.

    I never replied to you in this thread because of this comment, and I regret not addressing it right away and I'm surprised no one else in this thread addressed it either.

    Please refrain from putting down type 4 hair. It is nasty and unnecessary and yes racist. Just because your hair is frizzy or whatever doesn't make it 4-type hair, or similar to 4-type hair. Type 4 is beautiful and unique and is not your type 2 or type 3 being frizzy or not doing whatever it is that you want it to do.

    You've got that right. Type 4 hair is some of the most beautiful on the planet, in my opinion. I have always loved it.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


    All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier. :)
  • KrissyBKrissyB Posts: 12Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    KrissyB wrote: »
    I know it looks horrible, but I just don't know what to do with it, but I know being a white girl in high school with an Afro like that isn't an option. Not trying to be racist but that does seem to have an effect on hairstyle.

    I never replied to you in this thread because of this comment, and I regret not addressing it right away and I'm surprised no one else in this thread addressed it either.

    Please refrain from putting down type 4 hair. It is nasty and unnecessary and yes racist. Just because your hair is frizzy or whatever doesn't make it 4-type hair, or similar to 4-type hair. Type 4 is beautiful and unique and is not your type 2 or type 3 being frizzy or not doing whatever it is that you want it to do.

    I am really sorry, I believe you miss understood what I meant. I wasn't putting down type four hair. I agree that when properly taken care of it is beautiful, but my hair isn't. I was referring to the fact that my hair was completely dried out and looks like I stuck my hand in a light socket. Also I have friends of many different races, but we have different cultures. So while one particular style may be the really popular in one culture it would be considered crazy in another. Such as tanning vs trying to be as white as you can be, which used to be the norm. So while a properly cared for Afro may be popular in one culture, it might seem strange to another culture, but an uncared for frizzy poof ball of hair isn't acceptable in either of the cultures. That is the type of Afro I had.
  • wavypenwavypen Posts: 253Registered Users
    In life generally if you feel the need to qualify something with "I'm not racist", "I'm not trying to be offensive", "I have friends from x group" etc whatever you're saying is probably offensive, and somewhere you know that which is why you qualified your comment with whatever excuse you used in the first place.
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    Actually as uncomfortable as it may make people feel, I think most people who don't have type 4 hair don't want an afro. An afro on type 3 hair is hair that has no definition and is a ball of frizz. This isn't the same thing as a curly fro or big hair which still has some definition.

    I think the racism comes in when people don't want the ball of frizz because it's associated with black people. I think in the US many of us subconsciously feel that way or have felt that way to a certain degree because of our history and the subtle messages that being black isn't as great as not being black. With more understanding of hair and other people I think that negative idea will go away or at least be lessened.

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  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Posts: 1,099Banned Users
    Actually as uncomfortable as it may make people feel, I think most people who don't have type 4 hair don't want an afro. An afro on type 3 hair is hair that has no definition and is a ball of frizz. This isn't the same thing as a curly fro or big hair which still has some definition.

    I think the racism comes in when people don't want the ball of frizz because it's associated with black people. I think in the US many of us subconsciously feel that way or have felt that way to a certain degree because of our history and the subtle messages that being black isn't as great as not being black. With more understanding of hair and other people I think that negative idea will go away or at least be lessened.

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    I think afros on women with type 4 hair are also beautiful. Here is a picture of Oprah's hair in an afro and look at the definition she has. Her hair looks soft and healthy and has a wonderful shape. It's beautiful hair.

    oprahs-hair-7.jpg
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    I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


    All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier. :)
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