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What's the best way to moisturize dry hair?

I'm very irritated right now because I feel like I have to either have dry crusty defined hair, or frizzy puffy moisturized hair.

I recently made some flax oil gel. It defines my hair better than any gel I've ever used. I made it because of all the people saying that it's very good for the hair and even moisturizing. The problem is it make my hair super dry. Just like other gels. I've tried using different curl creams and they make my hair feel great but I don't get the definition I want.

I've tried sprinting my hair with water. It either does nothing or I do too much and end up with frizzy puffy tangled hair.

I'm considering getting the q-redew but it's $70 plus the shipping that's like 6$ I think. I'm not sure if it will just leave me with frizzy hair or not.

What is the best way to moisturize your hair without ruining your hair style?


Also I've tried moisturizing and sealing, also putting oils, and/or leave ins before the gel. Nothing seems to help. Oil just sits on top of my hair and yet some how the hair ends up dry anyway. Then I just have dry hair covered in oil. Idk what else to do

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  • ashlyndmarieashlyndmarie Posts: 211Registered Users
    When was the last time you clarified? What's your whole routine? How often do you deep condition?

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  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Posts: 1,099Banned Users
    I'm very irritated right now because I feel like I have to either have dry crusty defined hair, or frizzy puffy moisturized hair.

    I recently made some flax oil gel. It defines my hair better than any gel I've ever used. I made it because of all the people saying that it's very good for the hair and even moisturizing. The problem is it make my hair super dry. Just like other gels. I've tried using different curl creams and they make my hair feel great but I don't get the definition I want.

    I've tried sprinting my hair with water. It either does nothing or I do too much and end up with frizzy puffy tangled hair.

    I'm considering getting the q-redew but it's $70 plus the shipping that's like 6$ I think. I'm not sure if it will just leave me with frizzy hair or not.

    What is the best way to moisturize your hair without ruining your hair style?


    Also I've tried moisturizing and sealing, also putting oils, and/or leave ins before the gel. Nothing seems to help. Oil just sits on top of my hair and yet some how the hair ends up dry anyway. Then I just have dry hair covered in oil. Idk what else to do

    I totally hear you on this. I either have defined hair that's not soft or frizzy puffy hair that is. I really hate the "halo" stuff and I don't mean the halo around the face. I mean the halo stuff on the surface of the hair. I get that all the time.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


    All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier. :)
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    If you use products with glycerin, are you paying attention to your dew points? Do you deep condition? Are you using products with protein? Do you know your hair properties? Have you clarified?

    When you use oil, are you just using a few drops or a whole palmful? You don't need but a few drops, depending on your hair length. Any more than 3 drops is too much for my shoulder length hair.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users
    By any chance did you make flax_seed_ gel (not flax oil gel)? That's what almost all of the people here talk about that's related to the flax plant.

    About spritzing your hair: it makes a difference if you use a plant mister bottle, rather than a plain spray bottle. It also makes a difference if you use a water and conditioner mixture (3 parts water to 1 part conditioner).

    I have a Q-Redew, and like it very much, but usually try spritzing first. I think the Q-Redew is better at revitalizing bits in my understory which have gotten straightened out or wonky from the way I slept on them.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • UtopianonawaUtopianonawa Posts: 75Registered Users
    I really hate that halo fluff too. I get it really bad no matter how defined my hair is. It's so frustrating. I don't intentionally use any products with glycerin in it, but to be completely honest I haven't really paid much attention to what's in the products. Almost all my hair products are shea moisture, or cantu, or similar brands so I know they aren't filled with crazy chemical. I try to read the ingredients but it makes my head spin. Lol

    The last time I clarified my scalp was early February. I'm going to again soon I'm just preparing myself. Most people avoid sulfates because they are so drying, but I'm extremely allergic to them. It burns like crazy. I haven't gotten my hands on a sulfate free clarifier. Though I do have some French green clay. I know bentonite clay can clarify but I don't know if other clays can as well.

    I've only been "natural" since January, buy that I mean no longer straightening my hair and limiting heat, and also just taking better care of my hair in general. I haven't developed a routine yet because I don't have a set schedule at work, it's constantly changing. So far I just do a wash and go, and either wear it for 2 to 3 days and then wash again, or after 2 or 3 days I'll refresh it and do a braid out or something. I always deep condition every time I wash my hair. And I do use sulfate free shampoo every time I wash. It keeps me from becoming extremely itchy. I prefer washing my hair often but sometimes I just can't because off muscle weakness. Just lifting my arms at all is pretty painful. For I bit I did my hair every other day and my arms were so sore and I just about thought they'd fall off.

    As for properties of my hair, I think that my hair is semi fine. I've been told it's fine and looks pretty fine to me but I think it's probably around the medium fine range. My hair is super dense, my mom always jokes that me and my sister have about 4 times as much hair as my mom, but it's true. Also I have very low porosity hair. My hair never sinks in water and that's even after dying my hair 3 times and then bleaching it (just the ends of my hair). They still don't sink. But of course the ends are the only part of my hair that's ever dry, so they aren't as low porosity as my normal hair.

    I used a lot of products with protein in my hair after I bleached it, which was around nov-dec. I can't really say it made much of a difference or anything. My hair felt stronger, it didn't get dry or anything. I did an aphohee 2 step treatment once, then a few weeks later I conditioned with the 2 min reconstructor. But I didn't notice much difference and decided before I overload on protein I should focus on moisture because I know for sure my hair needs that. So of my products may have protein in them though, like shea moisture so curl enhancing smoothie. I think that has some protein

    When I use oil I probably use too much XD. I always pour way more than I want in my hand. I did make myself some whipped coconut oil-shea butter. It makes it a lot easier to not get way too much oil, but I try not to use oil at all. Just because it never seems to do anything for me. No matter how much or how little I put the ends of my hair dry out anyway. But when I use creams (so far cantu which my hair loves) my hair literally feels like silk. It would be prefect but I find the curl cream just doesn't have enough hold. Plus I think it's a little too expensive for how much I have to use on my thick hair. It's not that expensive I'm just cheap as hell

    And yes I mad flaxseed gel. Sorry about that typo, that's like the 3rd time I typed flax oil and not gel. I'm starting to think my auto correct it's doing it when I'm not paying attention.

    And I have a pretty good misting spray bottle. It's not a problem with the bottle I think I just spray too much or too little. Usually I do too little because I don't want to ruin my hair. But then I get frustrated that it didn't do enough and so I go overboard with the spraying and get so much frizz.
  • UtopianonawaUtopianonawa Posts: 75Registered Users
    Here's a pic of my wash and go after trying to most it a little. It so fuzzy
  • HtBlackHtBlack Posts: 292Registered Users
    You mentioned trying every conditioning thing possible, and then you say your hair is low porosity but you've dyed and straightened it extensively. Believe me, I've been there - I'm still there - the floating test is junk, your hair has got to be higher porosity! With all that damage you did to it...
    I found out a few things about my own hair: I can protein load it as much as I want, it just needs it. Oils, I agree with you, they sit on my hair a lot. But getting a pump bottle helps dosing it, and I find argan is so lightweight one pump does the trick! Or I put the tip of my pinky inside the oil bottle and that's the amount I use. Lol scientific.
    Another thing, to avoid frizz now that I live in an area with hard water I refresh my hair with a glass of bottled water. I don't spritz, I just wet my hands, run them down the length with my head tilted to the side, then wet hands again and scrunch water in, and repeat until I'm satisfied. Then I do the same with a LI, then flax seed gel. If I still have frizz I go for the tiny bit of oil on the canopy and length.

    Ps if you are allergic to sulfates you shouldn't use them! :c don't be cheap and look for other options. You mentioned clay, look into that! Suffering like that just for a shampoo is silly.

    Sent from my GT-N7000 using Tapatalk
    A 2C, wishfully thinking of being 3a. Sometimes I get there. CG since October 2013, Eurocurly (just for a few months more!), completely low-porosity now. SBL, wanting elbow length.

    --
    Routine:
    CW-LI: Garnier Ultra Doux (Cocoa+Coconut Oil/Mango+Tiaré) or my own products.
    DC: Biofficina Toscana Maschera Nutriente Protettiva, or my own product.
    Homemade FSG, L'Oreal Styling Gel.
  • BluebloodBlueblood Posts: 1,748Registered Users
    Utopianawa clay should work but there may be an issue where repeat use will block your drains. There are shampoos that are sulphate free which will cleanse your hair such as Giovanni shampoos that aren't expensive.

    Also as your hair sounds pretty damaged from the dying etc and so will be high porosity not low.

    Penetrating oils like coconut oil left on overnight and shampooed out in the morning are recommended for damaged hair. However don't go mad with the amount of oil unless you want greasy hair.

    Shea butter isn't penetrating and will coat your strands acting as a sealant. There is nothing wrong with using it but it can build up especially if you use a lot of products with it in.

    I suggest you get a hair analysis as it will save you money on buying products that don't work. Gooseprints on etsy is recommended as she uses a microscope and recommends ingredients.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    For bleach damaged hair try penetrating oils as an overnight pre-wash deep treatment OR as a minor ingredient in a leave in conditioner, its tough to distribute a few drops of a straight up oil evenly. Less is more.

    Be sure to use plenty if a leave in conditioner rich in the major emollients (fatty alcohols/ cationic surfactants). Many of us use a rinse out conditioner as a leave in: many products marketed as leave ins are rich in butters or potent humectants not in the major emollients.

    Other proven beneficial ingredients for bleach damaged hair include hydrolysed protein, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • ashlyndmarieashlyndmarie Posts: 211Registered Users
    Have you tried cowashing to try to up your moisture levels? That might help. Your story seems similar to mine with the continuous bleaching/dying/heat styling. For moisturized hair I deep condition every night with a plastic cap using conditioner and oil to seal it in. I use more leave in and less gel while styling, and I seal with oil.

    I have fine strands, medium density, and low porosity hair. I only shampoo when I feel I'm getting build up, and because I rinse everyday. ...that's not very often.

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  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I agree, your hair sounds high porosity due to the bleach. If you've only been caring for your hair since January, it's going to take some time. My bleached ends never felt hydrated, and my hair analysis under the microscope showed that at the very ends I had to no cuticle at all. If you get to this point, all you can do it cut off the dead and damaged hair. I'm not telling you to cut your hair, I'm just saying some hair can be beyond repair.

    I second the coconut oil soaks/pre-poos. What I do is after I apply my leave in, I put 2-3 drops of oil scrunched into my ends only, then apply my styler. Try that out and see how you do. Less is definitely more.

    Another good clarifying shampoo is Yes to Cucumbers. You can get it for $7 at Walgreens and Walmart. You don't need to use a sulfate.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • UtopianonawaUtopianonawa Posts: 75Registered Users
    Thanks everybody for all the ideas and stuff. I guess I should have specified about the porosity. Only 1/3 of my hair as been dyed and bleached. I have no doubt that that part is high porosity. I should have said that, the rest of my hair is very low porosity, and the dyed part (though it continues to float) I know it is very damaged, I've got split ends everywhere lol.

    Also I definitely plan on getting some Giovanni. I've been planning on it, I end up spending all my money trying to find a good styler lol.

    And blueblood thanks so much for the suggestion of the hair analysis. I've been wanting to get one but I never found anyone who actually does that.

    And no actually I have not tried co washing, mostly just because I love my tea tree shampoo, it really helps with my scalp problems. The condition does too but they don't sell it at walmart anymore. I keep telling myself my next wash will be a co wash but then I chicken out because of the scalp problems I've had. I think maybe once I get some good tea tree conditioner I will try co washing.

    I might try that yes to cucumbers shampoo. Cucumbers are amazing :) I've actually never heard of yes to cucumbers. I've heard of the brand, I just didn't know they had anything with cucumbers
  • UtopianonawaUtopianonawa Posts: 75Registered Users
    Also I just wanted to say I've been strongly considering cutting my hair. I haven't decided yet. I think an analysis would help me decide if I'm going to cutt the dyed hair
  • UtopianonawaUtopianonawa Posts: 75Registered Users
    Also could you give me a link to Gooseprints on esty. I tried to find them but I couldn't
  • curlicious13curlicious13 Posts: 1,632Registered Users
    I was looking at the live curly live free website & found a couple of recipes that may help moisturize your hair.
    1. Quick deep treat if you don't have time to deep condition. Rake a deep moisturizing conditioner over slightly damp curls. Put on a plastic cap on your head & go to bed. Style in the morning.
    2. Olive oil. Warm olive oil in the micro wave & massage into hair from root to ends. Put on plastic cap & leave on hair for 30 minutes. If using heat, sit under a warm dryer for 20 minutes for added penetration. You can also add a 1/2-1 c of warm honey for added moisture. Cleanse as usual.

    Tip: you can spray your hair with spray Pam olive oil for moisture & shine. But be careful you don't want your hair to look oily.
  • BluebloodBlueblood Posts: 1,748Registered Users
    Also could you give me a link to Gooseprints on esty. I tried to find them but I couldn't

    Sorry I wrote the name wrong it's

    Goosefootprints.

    She does come up if you Google it. (I'm on my phone so can't link)

    There are other threads about the hair analysis she does on the forum.
  • UtopianonawaUtopianonawa Posts: 75Registered Users
    On this forum?

    Also I did find her. Thanks :)
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    We are not permitted to link to Etsy stores on CurlTalk anyway.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • UtopianonawaUtopianonawa Posts: 75Registered Users
    Ohh, I totally didn't know that. I'm glad I know. I guess this just shows I need to read the general rules lol
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Oh I'm so annoyed with curltalk because I typed up this long response and poof it disappeared, and then I tried again and AGAIN it vanished. Grrrr.

    ANYWAY I think I posted that your non-processed hair sounds like it's low porosity and I would advise you to use LOTS of a leave-in conditioner that isn't "heavy," (meaning heavy in oils, butters or waxes). Low-po hair doesn't usually do that great with oils, but oils can be present in products in lower concentrations. Look for fatty alcohols & cationic surfactants that will condition the hair.

    A low-porosity, fine board member used to rave about CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Lotion. I think using a lot of a product like that, followed by gel, is going to give you the results you want. The leave-in will soften the gel, and the gel will define where the leave-in may leave something to be desired. You can use your fsg for the gel, or even a hard hold and the sotc... usually hard gels can turn out very soft after the crunch has been properly scrunched, and leave-ins help soften them too. Hope this helps!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • flowerpowflowerpow Posts: 81Registered Users
    Hi Utopianoawa. Your symptoms I can really relate to, as I have low porosity 4b 4c hair, with a little 4a. I have fixed the problem though. Take the time to look at this link. It's called the max hydration method, basically a more strict method than the cg method, as you avoid all products that could possibly be drying for your low poros hair. There are testimonials, and plenty of pictures showing results on type 4c hair getting root to tip definition, easily. The clumps just happen. Check it out.

    The MAX HYDRATION METHOD(from my other post) - Black Hair Media Forum - Page 9

    other helpful posts:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/171688-you-may-want-avoid-triethanolamine-depending-your-hair-type-sensitivities.html

    Does long term use of silicones cause balding? - Black Hair Media Forum - Page 2