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Why so expensive?

It really confuses me as to why some products are so expensive! I realize using natural ingredients can cause the price to rise but some prices really scare me away from potentially AMAZING products. Like Curl Junkie/ Curls/etc.
Why can't they be reasonably priced like Shea Moisture or Oyin Handmade, both all natural brands.
Started my journey September 8th, 20138)
High Density, 4A Curls, Fine-Medium Strands, Normal- Low elasticity, Low/normal porosity
Current Hair-length: APL (straight)
Hair-length Goal: AP length when curly
Still trying to figure out my curly hair needs & regimen
"Confidence Is Beautiful":love5:

Comments

  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I use oils for soapmaking.. but soapmaking is a bit different than putting raw products on the hair. In my experience...

    #1. Quality oils are NOT cheap.
    #2. You need to get paid for your time to make them.

    A one man job is a lot more time consuming than a whole company. Depends where you get your products, the actual quality of them, etc.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • WhisperesWhisperes Posts: 28Registered Users
    The few Oyin products that I have come in smaller containers than the CJ products that I have, so that's reflected in the price too: it SEEM be cheaper, but you get less product for your buck.

    Moreover, like sixelamy said: the ingredients that go into the products factor in, and then there's the time that goes into the products as well as the amount of people working on the products and any PR that may or may not be done for the company.

    BTW- if you're looking into getting affordable handmade hair products, maybe you could take a look at Sweet Curls Elixirs. They don't use exclusively organic ingredients, but Alissa did mention that wherever possible she prefers organic to natural/regular. Her prices are pretty reasonable too, and you can order smaller sized bottles to give something a whirl first before committing to anything! :)
    xox Marieke // Whisperes

    2c (on top) & 3b high density, low porosity, fine, protein craving curls

    Pre-poo & sealant: HPO Happy Scalp, Extra Virgin Coconut Oil
    Co-wash: Oyin Handmade Honey Hemp Conditioner
    Protein Treatment & Deep Conditioner: CJ Repair Me!, Spiral Solutions Protein Treatment
    Rinse-out: CJ Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner
    Detangler: KCKT
    Styling: KCSS, Mop Top Curly Custard
  • lolo918lolo918 Posts: 729Registered Users
    I totally agree with the others. I know for sure Curls uses quite a few certified organic ingredients- there are 5 in my creme brulee which is from their budget line. I always see the budget lines being about the same price as Shea Moisture though.
    I was browsing curl junkie's site and saw you can get get a stylers sample set for $12. This way you can figure out which product you really want before paying so much. Until I saw the sample set I always stayed away from curl junkie bc of price.

    I haven't ordered in awhile but when I did Curls had samples in every package I got. The samples ended up saving me from wasting my money on trying the pro line whipped curls- then it. It also made me buy the cashmere curls line- the samples got me through 2-3 wash and/or refresh days. They also have a rewards type system if you create a sign in- you can use the curlpoints to pay for products.

    Sent from my SCH-I200 using CurlTalk App
    3C/4A, fine texture, low-medium density, and low porosity
    CG since November 2013.

    Pre-Poo: infrequent now, Coconut Oil overnight
    Shampoo: Curls unleashed/for occasional sulfate wash when needed, everlasting sunshine.
    Conditioner: Suave Naturals Everlasting Sunshine and GVP's conditioning balm.
    Styler: iagirl's flaxseed curl cream or gelatin gel/conditioner mix. <3
    PT: iagirl's gelatin treatment 3-4 times a month, with conditioner/honey/avj
  • KinkyRNKinkyRN Posts: 250Registered Users
    Hate to say it but they charge so much because they can. Lots of these companies prosper from the curlies who find their holy grails in their lines and are willing to pay for them. Think about how much you have spent trying a product and it ends up on the exchange, in the trash or given away? Just saying...

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  • curlicious13curlicious13 Posts: 1,632Registered Users
    It's a marketing ploy. Companies market their products to be better than the cheap alternatives. As a result, curlies buy the expensive products only to find out the cheaper product works better than the expensive product.
  • BluebloodBlueblood Posts: 1,748Registered Users
    I agree with curlicious13 and KinkyRN that it's psychological.

    People instinctively think that a product costing $13 dollars will work better than a product costing $3 dollars, when in fact there is no difference in how they work.

    If you think of anything that you can get generic i.e. some over the counter painkillers, some people will swear blind that the brand name works better even when the generic brand is made by the same manufacturer in the same factory.
  • Zippytatiana9Zippytatiana9 Posts: 134Registered Users
    The whole marketing, psychological idea makes sense but it's still very annoying
    Started my journey September 8th, 20138)
    High Density, 4A Curls, Fine-Medium Strands, Normal- Low elasticity, Low/normal porosity
    Current Hair-length: APL (straight)
    Hair-length Goal: AP length when curly
    Still trying to figure out my curly hair needs & regimen
    "Confidence Is Beautiful":love5:
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    As others posted before, you are paying more for organic and natural ingredients, as well as the person's time. With well known brands that use synthetic ingredients, I think you can argue that it is marketing and psychological. My hair doesn't do well with just drugstore products. I wish it did, but it doesn't. However, as my hair became healthier, my products have begun to last longer.

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    3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
    HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
    Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
  • Fifi.GFifi.G Posts: 15,490Registered Users
    Another +1 to what the others have said. I know it still does not seem to make sense at times, when it comes to hair products or anything else. You are paying twice as much to get products or food that are of the same quality as 50 years ago or less, depending on the item. Everyone started mass producing and throwing in numerous chemical fillers, reducing the price, and suddenly it's outrageous to purchase something in a more simple state.

    It is very time consuming for the people who work in the organic field now. A great deal of the time are smaller businesses that are working with ingredients that are expensive for them as well. I have found that most top quality (organic or close to) products are highly concentrated. Because of this is does not take as much, and you can cut several products with a small amount it with water to stretch them further. It actually lasts longer, and that sometimes helps even out the price difference.
    When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

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  • lolo918lolo918 Posts: 729Registered Users
    As far as the curls line goes- I definitely preferred how the professional line worked on my hair to the budget store line. Knowing what I know about hair properties now I don't like how Curls describes who should use which products. As far as other products though I really can't say and I'd hate to generalize when I don't personally know.

    There is a huge thread about hair product bases that I've been very slowly working through under the stickies in the 4's forum. Its crazy the things that are revealed about brands. I am definitely not motivated enough to figure out what I need to buy and combine to make my own fake me outs. I checked out some of the prices and it was quite a huge upfront chunk of change, IMO even if it saves long term. It also seems you'd really need to know your hair properties before embarking on that journey.


    Sent from my SCH-I200 using CurlTalk App
    3C/4A, fine texture, low-medium density, and low porosity
    CG since November 2013.

    Pre-Poo: infrequent now, Coconut Oil overnight
    Shampoo: Curls unleashed/for occasional sulfate wash when needed, everlasting sunshine.
    Conditioner: Suave Naturals Everlasting Sunshine and GVP's conditioning balm.
    Styler: iagirl's flaxseed curl cream or gelatin gel/conditioner mix. <3
    PT: iagirl's gelatin treatment 3-4 times a month, with conditioner/honey/avj
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    When it comes to small businesses, I find some of these comments on here to be somewhat ignorant. As a small business owner myself, I appreciate some of the more expensive products, because I know the time, supplies, money, cost of ingredients, and whatever else that goes into making these products. Also, not all oils and ingredients are created equal. There is nothing psychological about it.

    The psychological aspect comes in when you are in a salon and they jack up the price, because they can and because your stylist convinces you it's the best product ever - then you get it home and it doesn't work like it did in the salon, because she failed to mention the other 5 styling products she used on your hair that all work together for that flawless look. Not to mention being over your head and having the right angle and freedom of movement to style your hair. Curlies don't buy something expensive because they think it will be better, that's pretty ludicrous. In this economy, unless you are living very comfortably and are worried about your "status", I really don't think this mentality is fact.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,088Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    my experience has been that sometimes the more expensive products are cheaper in the long run.
    yrs ago i used nature's gate conditioner until they changed the formula. however, i literally used 1 1/2 bottles each week, less was not enough for my hair. and the smell was horrendous.
    most of my products are curl junkie products.
    -- they are very rich so i use waaaayyyy less than i do with other products so they last a long time
    -- my hair looks good, so i am not purchasing products here and there that don't work so i give them away
    -- you can buy curl junkie on aveyou.com for great discounts and super cheap shipping and fast service -- on aveyou.com:
    shipping is $5 for orders $49 and under, $1 for $50 and over
    they always have discount codes -- if the one you have doesn't work go to retailmenot to find the latest. generally, the codes have been FIVE for 15% of any total price order, AYSPRING25 for $25 off orders of $100 or more.

    -- curl junkie has two sales a year - black friday and easter -- it's been 25% off

    plus, you can get curl junkie on curlmart if you want to take advantage of their sales.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • jsuzkelleyjsuzkelley Posts: 610Registered Users
    Bb
    2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
    fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate
    My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!
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  • Marci PieMarci Pie Posts: 622Registered Users
    I think it is a combination of factors. There are some that believe higher price products work well. Of course, companies benefit from this type of thinking.

    I do think that quality of ingredients make a difference. Coconut oil is more expensive than mineral oil. For smaller companies their operating costs are more than larger companies.

    Now because curly products are a niche that also factors in.

    What I do is use my LALSG and Nourish Conditioner has the baseline. If I try more expensive products and my results are not better than my cheap holy grail I don't buy it. I have yet to find products that work better than my holy grail. I actually hope to find a product that will, but it eludes me.

    I am still confused by Miss Jessies, their ingredients are not the best and the price is sky high!
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    3b, Medium-Coarse (slight coarse charactericstics), Normal porosity & Low elasticity per Curl Wizard Profile.
    Low-poo: Nourish Shampoo
    Co-wash: Suave, Vo5, HE, Aussie Moist
    Deep Conditioner: GVP Conditioning Balm
    Leave-in: Nourish Conditioner (Trader Joe's)
    Stylers: LA Looks Sports, Coconut Oil, Almond Oil, Jojoba Oil.
    Methods: Wet plop or pineapple at night, diffuse in the morning. Scrunch w/joboba, coconut or almond oil.
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Marci Pie wrote: »
    I do think that quality of ingredients make a difference. Coconut oil is more expensive than mineral oil. For smaller companies their operating costs are more than larger companies.

    There is also 76 degree coconut oil. Where someone may see coconut oil and think of the goodness of organic virgin, it may be deceiving. This is where people can trick you on oils, if they don't specify in their ingredient list. 76 degree is significantly cheaper than organic virgin, and definitely not that great of quality.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens