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what do you use on your wiry hair type? i need help

suthrnqtsuthrnqt Posts: 80Registered Users
i think i have wiry hair according to the lois system. water beads up on it. i find it hard to distribute products through my hair when i get out of the shower, b/c it seems to be half dry already. my hair will have some nice curls in it, but if i try to put anything on it, it becomes frizzy ( probably as a result of me touching it). i tried mixing a little conditioner with water in a spray bottle, but my hair didn't like it.
i can't wait and then put products on dry hair, b/c i have big time shrinkage and my hair will tangle as it dries if it has nothing on it.
i currently wear alot of different puffs and some twists so that the frizz looks good with the style. i really want to be able to wash and go. any advice would be greatly appreciated.

i recently bought elasta qp glaze, long aid activator gel, and the sally brands of paul mitchell's the conditioner and the cream. i saw them mentioned in other posts, but i can't seem to get them to work.
ps
check my other post if you need more info on my hair type
4a/b with a patch of 3c
OS - fine strands, wiry texture
big and thick beautiful hair :)
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  • SandelaSandela Posts: 8Registered Users
    I know exactly what you're talking about, and I know this will sound weird and totally counter-intuitive, but I discovered what works for me is actually sectioning my hair (into maybe 6 sections). Then, I take a small peice, comb through it with a wide-tooth comb, saturate it with gel, and clip it. I do this to my entire head, and when my hair really dries, not just feels dry, it dries into nice little curls.

    I use Fantasia IC, btw.[/i]
  • suthrnqtsuthrnqt Posts: 80Registered Users
    thanks soo much sandela!! :)
    i tried your method today, and i had some GREAT curl definition! i used the long aid activator gel after i did a deep condition and conditioner wash. the 4b section even clumped into coils. i had less shrinkage too :) i used alot of gel on each section and spritzed it with water, combed it through, and smothed with my hands before clipping. the only thing i did wrong was not letting it dry fully...that made some of my ends a little too curly :) i had a bunch of defined corkscrews and ringlets with poofy ends. lol! i think i'm going to re-wet tonight, section it, and let it dry fully.

    i'll try looking for the fantasia gel. the long aid looks kind of dull when it dries on my hair...although it is very possible that i used too much :D
    4a/b with a patch of 3c
    OS - fine strands, wiry texture
    big and thick beautiful hair :)
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  • SandelaSandela Posts: 8Registered Users
    :D I'm glad that worked out for you!

    The great thing is, all I have to do for a week or so afterward is just jump in the shower and rinse my hair; I'll have defined curls for as long as I dare to keep doing that!
  • masscurlymasscurly Posts: 297Registered Users
    Hmmm, I want to try this method as I get frizzy hair often. Sandela, could you explain what you mean when you say you "clip" your hair?


    suthrnqt, do you have any pics? i would love to see the results...
    Hair type: 4a/b...

    Constantly seeking the perfect product combinations. I just want healthy and manageable hair!!!

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  • suthrnqtsuthrnqt Posts: 80Registered Users
    when i clipped my hair, i used a bunch of butterfly clips. i got them from sally's...i think they came in a pack of 12. i don't remember how much they were, but i now they couldn'y have been much b/c i wouldn't have gotten them. lol :)

    i wish i could post pics of my hair, but i dropped my digital camera a couple of months ago. it will do every thing except take pictures...i think i damaged the lense. i have a few pics from '05 and '06 of me transitioning, but you can't really see my hair type in them b/c i'm wearing mostly braids and a banktu knot twist-out. i might get a fotki account today and post them.
    4a/b with a patch of 3c
    OS - fine strands, wiry texture
    big and thick beautiful hair :)
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  • CuteCoilsCuteCoils Posts: 118Registered Users
    leave-ins:
    1. RJML Cactus Moisturizing Leave-in-Original Formula
    2. CD Hair milk!
    3. Oil + Water under hair milk!

    In terms of product:
    1. [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink], pricey, but a lot of people like it
    2. Longaid, a lot less expensive and people like it
    3. Proclaim, also a good choice and inexpensive
    4. Softee is also a one worth a try
    5. leave-in +/under Let's Jam Hair Gel (green-top) combo
    6. leave-in +/under Fantasia IC Gel combo

    many have good results with either Hair milk or RJML as their leave-in under their styler of choice!

    eta: (sorry I forgot to include 'poos and conditioners-here they are)

    Co-washes-
    Aubrey Organics Island Naturals
    Suave Professionals BioBasics

    Shampoos-
    Aubrey Organics Green Tea Clarifying Shampoo
    Aubrey Organics Rosa Mosqueta Shampoo
    Aubrey Organics GPB Shampoo
    Suave Humectant
    Suave Rosemary & Quillaja Clarifying Shampoo
    Baking Soda + Water Scrub to Clarify

    Conditioners-
    Aubrey Organics GPB + Honey
    Aubrey Organics Rosa Mosqueta Conditioner + Honey
    Suave Professionals BioBasics Conditioner + Honey

    Reconstructors-
    Maistey Traite CODE RED Liquid Reconstructor
    Nexxus Aloe Reconstructor
    Aphogee Reconstructor (this was great while I was transitioning-but when my hair got longer I had to apply to my hair in plaited sections-the way I poo/co-wash to prevent knots)

    leave-ins:
    Hair milk
    Oil + Water
    Oil + Water under Hair Milk combo

    I use shampoo to deeply-clarify every 4th 'wash and follow with a deep treatment w/heat for 20 minutes or so.

    hope this is more helpful.

    Good luck!
    Products and Books That Changed My Life!:

    1. Goddess Hair & Skin Recipe Book
    by Jane Johnson (amazon.com)

    2. Honey+Conditioner=The BestDang DT, Ever!

    3. Aubrey Organics Rosa Mosqueta 'Poo&Cond.
    4. Hair Milk
  • masscurlymasscurly Posts: 297Registered Users
    suthrnqt wrote:
    when i clipped my hair, i used a bunch of butterfly clips. i got them from sally's...i think they came in a pack of 12. i don't remember how much they were, but i now they couldn'y have been much b/c i wouldn't have gotten them. lol :)

    Thanks for this message. So did you just take a section and just clip it together? Or did you twirl you hair around almost like a pin curl and then clip it? i'm trying to envision what makes the hair clump and coil better?
    Hair type: 4a/b...

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  • suthrnqtsuthrnqt Posts: 80Registered Users
    masscurly,
    i just clipped it together. i tried twisting and clipping too. i think twisting kept my ends from frizzing too much...i haven't tried it again with fully dried hair yet, but i think twisting (not too tightly) will give better results.


    cutecoils,
    thanks for the product seggestions :)


    i just created a fotki account with some pics of my hair in transition. i have a close-up of my new growth (at the time) that i am still searching for though.
    4a/b with a patch of 3c
    OS - fine strands, wiry texture
    big and thick beautiful hair :)
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  • masscurlymasscurly Posts: 297Registered Users
    thanks!!!
    Hair type: 4a/b...

    Constantly seeking the perfect product combinations. I just want healthy and manageable hair!!!

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  • SandelaSandela Posts: 8Registered Users
    I just use barettes to keep it out of the way of hair i've already done. I used to twist it, but now I find that it doesn't matter. And since I don't have enough clips (my hair is really thick), I'll tie sections back untill I have about 10 or 11 little puffs. I think it helps with stretching. I'll take pictures the next time I do it and post 'em.

    I'm fairly certain it's the gel smoothing the clumps together that provides the definition.
  • masscurlymasscurly Posts: 297Registered Users
    Sandela wrote:
    I just use barettes to keep it out of the way of hair i've already done. I used to twist it, but now I find that it doesn't matter. And since I don't have enough clips (my hair is really thick), I'll tie sections back untill I have about 10 or 11 little puffs. I think it helps with stretching. I'll take pictures the next time I do it and post 'em.

    I'm fairly certain it's the gel smoothing the clumps together that provides the definition.

    I can't wait to see you photos
    Hair type: 4a/b...

    Constantly seeking the perfect product combinations. I just want healthy and manageable hair!!!

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  • SandelaSandela Posts: 8Registered Users
    Well, here's an idea of what it ends up looking like...it's very messy today (this is, like, 5th day hair, and I wasn't very dilligent when I combed it in the first place because I was in a rush), but it's an idea. I promise more when I do it again, step by step.

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  • suthrnqtsuthrnqt Posts: 80Registered Users
    your hair still looks good to me:)
    i can see the ringlets in the photo. how do you get your bangs to hang? even with ALOT of gel, my bangs won't hang. do you clip them down in the front and let it dry?
    one more question, how long does t take your hair to dry? mine takes FOREVER; i tried the gel style again today, but had to wear a fro b/c it didn't dry in time....i used a hooded dryer for about 30 minutes or more too.
    4a/b with a patch of 3c
    OS - fine strands, wiry texture
    big and thick beautiful hair :)
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  • SandelaSandela Posts: 8Registered Users
    In THIS photo I used tons of gel, and then wet it. Other ways are doing wet twists on your bangs with tons of gel and then rinsing the resulting twistout.

    I clip it down in the front though usually, using bobby pins.

    My hair takes HOURS to dry...a really, really long time... 5 hours maybe? Depending on what I do to it...
  • PJcurlPJcurl Posts: 71Registered Users
    Suthrnqt....completely off topic..but you look like Chile of TLC, tell me I am not the first person who has said that!
    :)
    HG: WEN Sweet Almond
    Ojon RT
    Oils (jojoba, olive, sapote, carrot)
    Kinky curly custard
    Blended Beauty (new fave)
    I will not chop my hair off in frustration this year. I will not..I promise, no braids, no braids, no chopping.
  • suthrnqtsuthrnqt Posts: 80Registered Users
    hi, and thanks for checking out my fotki. i'm still looking for more pics to add. as soon as i get my camera fixed (or get a new one), i'll post some natural pics.

    yes, you are officially the first person to tell me that :) the only other people (famous) that i've heard are tia and tamara, but i don't see it. usually people tell me i look JUST LIKE they're cousin/friend. lol

    i looked at your free album. is the pic of your wet hair after a twist out, or does it coil like that on its own? it looks really cute. are you still wearing it short?
    4a/b with a patch of 3c
    OS - fine strands, wiry texture
    big and thick beautiful hair :)
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  • suthrnqtsuthrnqt Posts: 80Registered Users
    oops. double post
    4a/b with a patch of 3c
    OS - fine strands, wiry texture
    big and thick beautiful hair :)
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  • busygirl26busygirl26 Posts: 41Registered Users
    Hey suthrnqt,

    Just wanted to say hi, I think we have the same hair. Water also beads up on my hair- and it's not dry. I've been doing the cg thing for about a month, and know that its moisturized, so dryness isn't the issue. And I've also been watching on these forums for someone like me- so many 4as seem to describe themselves as cottony or silky. You and I seem to be on different budgets where products are concerned, (right now I'm way into Anita Grant, who's very pricey) but I've found frequent trims help a LOT. I go to my hairdresser every six weeks or whenever I have too many tangles. She chops off the dry ends, I use a good deep conditioner, and then I don't have knots for another six weeks or so.
  • suthrnqtsuthrnqt Posts: 80Registered Users
    hi!
    yeah, wiry 4a hair types seem rare :) i browsed anita grant products; i've seen other positive user reviews too. i'm glad you found some good products that work for your hair. i'm on the lookout for jajoba oil and shea butter now; i probably won't get good definition or shrinkage reduction, but i just need another good moisturizer, since i'm out of qhemet. i know what you mean about dry ends and knots; i'm definitely experiencing that now. i don't have a stylist, but my cousin is a beautician (she did my BC), and i'll try to get to her SOON to get a much needed trim :)

    how long have you been natural, and how are you wearing your hair? is it short, med, or long? i'd love to hear your hair routine :) i've fallen into a puff rut. i usually wear 2 afro puffs, or use a scarf to make different sized puffs or a fro. i've twisted the back in 2 strand twists a few times and put the front in puffs. it's collarbone length stretched, but shrinks so that it looks about 2.5 or 3 inches long....i've been thinking about straightening it, just to change the style up.
    4a/b with a patch of 3c
    OS - fine strands, wiry texture
    big and thick beautiful hair :)
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  • busygirl26busygirl26 Posts: 41Registered Users
    Hi again.

    I've been natural for about seven years now. I got sick of blowdrying my hair for 4+ hours at a time. (I have a lot of hair, even when straightened, and it didn't really un-curl for relaxers)

    I think my hair would be considered long for these boards. It's about six inches long when dry and fully shrunken. At night, I wrap it into buns which I pin up. I used to do this during the day too, but then I went corporate, so I'm wearing a curly ponytail puff. I found the buns to be really fun when it was shorter, because then I could sleep on them and wake up in the morning, retwist, and go.

    Oh, and as to products, I've actually taken to the lemon juice rinsing method in the "home remedies" section- but I only mix half a lemon with the conditioner so that it doesn't dry me out. Lemon juice makes my hair shiner, cleans my scalp, and makes it easier to detangle. I've also had good results with coconut milk. My hair doesn't like silicones, waxes, or anything that coats it. If I use anything like that, products start sitting on top of my hair and refusing to soak in.

    But yeah- check out the home remedies on this site- they can be a lot cheaper and more effective than products.
  • suthrnqtsuthrnqt Posts: 80Registered Users
    thanks for the reply! it sounds like you definitely have ALOT of hair. my goal is shoulder length hair when unstraightened.

    i just discovered the homemade recipe board a few days ago, and i have been lurking there and reading through all the posts to find good recipes. thanks for the lemon conditioner tip; i have some lemon juice that i use for clarifying, and i might add a little tonight to my conditioner and see how it turns out :)
    4a/b with a patch of 3c
    OS - fine strands, wiry texture
    big and thick beautiful hair :)
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  • kinkerbellekinkerbelle Posts: 22Registered Users
    I have wiry 3c/4a hair, and modified-CG has been the best thing for my hair.

    I usually co-wash with Suave Tropical Coconut or V05 Chamomile Tea Therapy.

    Curls products have been my staple for good hair days (Quenched Moisturizer followed by Spiral Curls Cream).

    Hair is soft, shiny, full with out looking crazy, and my curls look great.
    A little bit of everything on this head...
    Transitioned for almost a year, fully natural since July, '05

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