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msrandeemsrandee Posts: 61Registered Users
OK, since it's now clear that Kerry will be the nominee, I'm curious about
what those of you who supported other Democratic candidates - Edwards,
Kucinich, Sharpton, Dean, etc. are planning to do about the general election. I've been for Kucinich all along, I voted for him today,
and I want him to stay in and go to the convention. But, since Kerry will be the nominee, there is the decision of whether I
will support him or not. I promised to support the nominee, and I feel comfy enough with Kerry to vote for him at this time. However,
I have a few serious issues with him, and will watch him closely in the next few months. He has been my least
favorite candidate (ok, except Dick Gephardt) from the beginning -
I never expected Kerry to get the nomination when I made that promise!
So, what are the rest of you voters who have the misfortune of supporting
an "unelectable" candidate planning to do?
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  • Confused CurlyConfused Curly Posts: 229Registered Users
    I didn't vote in your poll because I've supported Kerry for about 2 or 3 weeks. I am so glad that Dean is not the nominee because I made the same promise you did: to support the nominee (unless it was Lieberman) no matter what.

    I do have one thing to say to anyone who does not like Kerry but wants Bush gone: Please vote for Kerry. PLEASE DO NOT STAY HOME and PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR NADER OR DEAN.

    The candidates I hated the most in order Lieberman, Gephardt and Dean. I hated Lieberman so much that I would have voted for Bush if I thought it was close. :shock:
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  • cyndicyndi Posts: 3,341Registered Users
    I didn't vote in your pole either because Kerry is my choice for the democratic nomination.
    I think that I deceive genius.:happy10:
  • shorty448shorty448 Posts: 52Registered Users
    I originally supported Kucinich, but I always liked Kerry too and will be supporting him in this election.
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  • the doctorthe doctor Posts: 393Registered Users
    I don't think Kerry has it as sewn up as he thinks. The total as I'd heard it earlier this evening was 680 delegates, and he needs at least 1100, soooo....{you can add this to my unpopular opinions rant} F--k John Kerry.
    :twisted:

    Kucinich EARNED my vote, and he's getting it.
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    I do have one thing to say to anyone who does not like Kerry but wants Bush gone: Please vote for Kerry. PLEASE DO NOT STAY HOME and PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR NADER OR DEAN.

    I totally disagree with this statement.

    I say vote your conscience, and if that means that Bush is in office for another four years, so be it.

    Maybe this country has to get really, really bad before there can be any kind of real social change, but I think people not voting who they want to vote for just because they know he won't get elected is a very bad idea.
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  • blanclilablanclila Posts: 107Registered Users
    I was a Dean supporter, but will vote in the general election
    for whatever Democrat is nominated, be it Kerry or someone else.
    That's voting my conscience; I believe it's imperative to
    get Bush/Cheney out of office.
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  • BookishCurlyBookishCurly Posts: 75Registered Users
    Undecided.
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  • Anthro IncarnateAnthro Incarnate Posts: 555Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote:

    I say vote your conscience, and if that means that Bush is in office for another four years, so be it.

    Maybe this country has to get really, really bad before there can be any kind of real social change, but I think people not voting who they want to vote for just because they know he won't get elected is a very bad idea.

    Agreed. Part of me wants Bush to win just to see what changes that will motivate people to make. I will vote for Kerry but was not terribly impressed with any of the Democratic contenders. I liked Dean because he displayed personality, even if it did rub people the wrong way. The vast majority of politicians are interchangeable to me, and I prefer personality over party line.
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  • geekygeeky Posts: 4,995Registered Users
    I'm not against Kerry, nor particularly for him. I'm not really thrilled with anyone that is running, but I will take Kerry over Bush in a flat second. As much as I hate the two party system, I won't vote for Nader - that's who got Bush elected in the first place (Not that Gore/Lieberman was abetter option).
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  • the doctorthe doctor Posts: 393Registered Users
    Curlyincali: I do have one thing to say to anyone who does not like Kerry but wants Bush gone: Please vote for Kerry. PLEASE DO NOT STAY HOME and PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR NADER OR DEAN.


    Springcurl: I totally disagree with this statement.

    I say vote your conscience, and if that means that Bush is in office for another four years, so be it.

    Maybe this country has to get really, really bad before there can be any kind of real social change, but I think people not voting who they want to vote for just because they know he won't get elected is a very bad idea.

    You know, that is a very scary thought, but you may be right. I mean, right now I'm seeing that people are so afraid that Bush will win that they'll back a lamer like Kerry. Seriously! I was reading about him on Slate and they said that in 20 years as a Senator, he's barely written any legislation. He's out of touch! How's he going to rein in Congress? I don't think he's got the stones or the knowhow...he's gonna be fighting them all the way just like Clinton had to.

    Maybe we deserve another 4 years of this Shrub...just so we can really see how bad it's gotten, so that we will be motivated to really get in there and fix things ourselves. Right now, people like me are saying - Hey, this is what happens when you don't pay attention, when you just pick candidates based on hair or whatever, it may not seem important when you get that giant voter's pamphlet, and you're picking judges and representatives and senators, they all look the same, right? But they're NOT and if we don't do our homework and pick bad eggs then we are gonna get one stinky government, and it's our own bloody fault. And you know what, people look at me like I'm a whacko for daring to ask them if they're gonna vote.

    One of the things FDR did when he took office was, he asked America to give him a Congress he could work with, and that's what he got, and that's how he got a lot of things done - people actually CHOSE their Congressmen based on things that they wanted to get done. We need to start doing that again. We can't just get bored and pick whoever is less ugly.

    We need to think like Trump on "The Apprentice" - these people are applying, via the election process, for important jobs. WE are the ones hiring THEM. We need to stop and consider each candidate carefully, asking "Why should I hire YOU to represent ME?" 'Cause that's what they're for, to uphold the laws and represent us!!! We wouldn't be careless in hiring a lawyer to represent us in court - we shouldn't be careless hiring Congressmen to represent us in the Senate and the House.

    Nader confuses me. In one sentence, he attacks Dennis, then he endorses him in the next. Then he says he's there as an alternative for frustrated Democrats, while in another article he says he's there as an alternative for frustrated Republicans. This leads me to think maybe he shouldn't run, if he can't even be clear on WHY he's doing it.
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  • ShrekLoverShrekLover Posts: 2,551Registered Users
    Very well said the_cheat.
  • kurlykittykurlykitty Posts: 162Registered Users
    Can a non-democrat who hates Bush participate?

    I'm planning on voting my party - Libertarian - unless Kerry picks a really good running mate and I can get behind the ticket if not the man himself. I promised myself after the last election (when I voted for Bush instead of Harry Browne because I dislike Gore more at the time), that I would never, ever vote for the lesser of two evils again. I'm ashamed that I voted for Bush, especially when most of what I knew of him was that he wasn't Gore.

    Never again.

    Its a sad thing when so many people on both sides are voting against the other guy instead of for a person they really believe in... and its likely a huge factor in why we've had such mediocre candidates in the last few elections.
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  • the doctorthe doctor Posts: 393Registered Users
    Its a sad thing when so many people on both sides are voting against the other guy instead of for a person they really believe in... and its likely a huge factor in why we've had such mediocre candidates in the last few elections.

    Bingo!

    We need to kick these mediocre candidates to the curb and support ones that we truly believe in. We need to remember HOW to believe...we shouldn't have to "hold our nose and vote" every 4 years.

    I saw a bumper sticker once that said it pretty well:

    CTHULHU FOR PRESIDENT - WHY CHOOSE THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS?

    :lol:
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  • kurlykittykurlykitty Posts: 162Registered Users
    the_cheat wrote:
    CTHULHU FOR PRESIDENT - WHY CHOOSE THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS?

    You made me squirt coffee out my nose! :lol:

    Did you know that stuff's slightly acidic?? GRRR!!! :evil:
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  • Confused CurlyConfused Curly Posts: 229Registered Users
    the_cheat wrote:
    Nader confuses me. In one sentence, he attacks Dennis, then he endorses him in the next. Then he says he's there as an alternative for frustrated Democrats, while in another article he says he's there as an alternative for frustrated Republicans. This leads me to think maybe he shouldn't run, if he can't even be clear on WHY he's doing it.

    His ego.

    PS: It's the lesser of 3 evils. For me the greatest evil in 2000 was Ralph Nader. I just don't like the guy. I don't think he has the experience or the qualities to be president. He also looks VERY UNHEALTHY which does not inspire my confidence. To me he makes Cheney look like the image of youth and vigor! :shock:

    kurlykitty - the only reason I voted for Gore was because it was hate at first sight between Cheney and I. If it weren't for Cheney, I would have voted for Bush! :shock:

    springcurl - I voted my conscience in the primaries but not my heart and soul. My conscience wants Bush out before he ruins the world. Not the country, but the world. Getting Bush out has been my priority since 2002 and I will be working my darndest to get that done.

    If Dean were the nominee, I would relucatantly back him - even though I think he is as petty, childish and vindictive as GW Bush.

    My heart and soul were with Edwards. I was sad when he dropped out.
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  • kurlykittykurlykitty Posts: 162Registered Users
    the_cheat wrote:
    CTHULHU FOR PRESIDENT - WHY CHOOSE THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS?

    Speaking of Cthulhu...

    :lol:
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  • the doctorthe doctor Posts: 393Registered Users
    He also looks VERY UNHEALTHY which does not inspire my confidence. To me he makes Cheney look like the image of youth and vigor! Shocked

    Someone once told me that Cheney looked so fragile after, I think he's had like, 4 heart attacks, that if you were to go up behind him with a paper bag and pop it he'd have a 5th one on the spot. He does NOT look well. I think he must fry his eggs in crude oil or something to look so decrepit...

    But Nader, man, he looks kinda like an old dog. You know the ones with the big saggy jowls?
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  • Confused CurlyConfused Curly Posts: 229Registered Users
    the_cheat wrote:
    He also looks VERY UNHEALTHY which does not inspire my confidence. To me he makes Cheney look like the image of youth and vigor! Shocked

    Someone once told me that Cheney looked so fragile after, I think he's had like, 4 heart attacks, that if you were to go up behind him with a paper bag and pop it he'd have a 5th one on the spot. He does NOT look well. I think he must fry his eggs in crude oil or something to look so decrepit...

    But Nader, man, he looks kinda like an old dog. You know the ones with the big saggy jowls?

    Yes, Cheney has had 4 heart attacks. He is "only" 63 years old. Cheney had his first heart attack at 37. Which is a very scary thought.

    This is a serious question - WTF did Bush pick him as VP? Sure Bush looks healthy. He eats right and he works out but what if gets run over by a car or his plane crashes or something. Will Dennis Hastert step in? Cheney is much too fragile to be President.

    Ralph looks worse than Cheney to me which is saying a lot.
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  • msrandeemsrandee Posts: 61Registered Users
    Yes, Cheney has had 4 heart attacks. He is "only" 63 years old. Cheney had his first heart attack at 37. Which is a very scary thought.

    This is a serious question - WTF did Bush pick him as VP?


    Yeah, what if Bush is dumb enough to fly himself into Iraq again, and he gets shot? Cheney's heart may not be able to take it, and who would we end up with then?

    Has anyone heard the rumors that Bush may dump Cheney? That would be too bad. :sad:sad20gif Seriously, though, if Cheney would have another heart attack during the race, wouldn't it be irresponsible to keep him as the VP candidate?
  • Confused CurlyConfused Curly Posts: 229Registered Users
    MLee wrote:
    Yes, Cheney has had 4 heart attacks. He is "only" 63 years old. Cheney had his first heart attack at 37. Which is a very scary thought.

    This is a serious question - WTF did Bush pick him as VP?


    Yeah, what if Bush is dumb enough to fly himself into Iraq again, and he gets shot? Cheney's heart may not be able to take it, and who would we end up with then?

    Has anyone heard the rumors that Bush may dump Cheney? That would be too bad. :sad:sad20gif Seriously, though, if Cheney would have another heart attack during the race, wouldn't it be irresponsible to keep him as the VP candidate?

    I think Bush would be forced to dump him then. Let's hope Cheney stays reasonably healthy. He may be able to help us out a little. Like Hillary Clinton, he is a polarizing figure. Heck, he is the reason I voted for Gore in '00.
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  • KirochkaKirochka Posts: 43Registered Users
    Iazywaves wrote:
    I was a Dean supporter, but will vote in the general election
    for whatever Democrat is nominated, be it Kerry or someone else.
    That's voting my conscience; I believe it's imperative to
    get Bush/Cheney out of office.

    My thoughts exactly. Before we have no environment, economy, or Bill of Rights left.

    I keep vowing to myself not to read any more postings on politics or religion and keep getting sucked back in again... back to square one now!
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  • msrandeemsrandee Posts: 61Registered Users
    Hmm... I kinda guessed that Kerry would get
    the most votes. Anyone except kurlykitty and the_cheat
    want to talk a little about their votes for Nader/other or Bush?
  • kurlykittykurlykitty Posts: 162Registered Users
    "Beware the man of one book." --Latin proverb
  • ScaryCurlScaryCurl Posts: 138Registered Users
    I'm going to guano this thread for a quick question. I heard on one of those conservative talk shows today (which are obviously biased) that Kerry is a registered Republican. Does anyone know if that's true? If so, would you have reservations about voting for him if it's a Democrat you want in office?

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  • the doctorthe doctor Posts: 393Registered Users
    I've been thinking it over now for some days, and I have decided that Kerry stinks like the wind I just broke. :twisted:

    I'm going to be writing "Dennis John Kucinich" in on my general election ballot, whether he's on it or not! They will probably steal my vote anyway, but damnit, it'll be mine, at least for a little while, and I'm going to use it as I SEE FIT.
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  • Confused CurlyConfused Curly Posts: 229Registered Users
    ScaryCurl wrote:
    I'm going to guano this thread for a quick question. I heard on one of those conservative talk shows today (which are obviously biased) that Kerry is a registered Republican. Does anyone know if that's true? If so, would you have reservations about voting for him if it's a Democrat you want in office?

    End of guano. TIA.

    How could he be a registered Republican if he's been a Democratic senator for 20 years. They may have been referring to his wife. She used to be married to a Republican senator and allegedly changed parties to be able to vote for Kerry. I have issues with the wife but she isn't running for office. I think it is odd that she recoils when he hugs her. That isn't wifely behavior. :?

    Either way, I wouldn't care. It's Bush I have issues with, not Republicans as a group. As long as I agree with someone on most of the issues, I will vote for that person regardless of party affiliation.

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  • AmeliePoulainAmeliePoulain Posts: 10Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote:
    I do have one thing to say to anyone who does not like Kerry but wants Bush gone: Please vote for Kerry. PLEASE DO NOT STAY HOME and PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR NADER OR DEAN.

    I totally disagree with this statement.

    I say vote your conscience, and if that means that Bush is in office for another four years, so be it.

    Maybe this country has to get really, really bad before there can be any kind of real social change, but I think people not voting who they want to vote for just because they know he won't get elected is a very bad idea.

    I totally disagree with Springcurl. If Bush is in office for another 4 years, the country could be damaged in very permanent ways: If a moderate or liberal Supreme Court justice retires, we'll end up with another Scalia in the SCOTUS, and Roe v. Wade will likely be reversed. That is a hugely scary prospect. And, more people could die in another needless war started on false pretenses.
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  • msrandeemsrandee Posts: 61Registered Users
    the_cheat wrote:
    I've been thinking it over now for some days, and I have decided that Kerry stinks like the wind I just broke. :twisted:

    I'm going to be writing "Dennis John Kucinich" in on my general election ballot, whether he's on it or not! They will probably steal my vote anyway, but damnit, it'll be mine, at least for a little while, and I'm going to use it as I SEE FIT.

    I totally understand. I'm starting to feel more uncomfortable with Kerry... I'm still in the denial stages as a Kucinich supporter - It's hard to accept that he's not doing well. I have fear of both a Kerry or (continuing) Bush presidency because of one word: draft. Bush has his "back off, I'll take you on" foreign policy and Kerry wants to increase the troops by 40,000. How will you have either of those and not a draft? With troops still in Iraq and other bad situations cropping up, I don't believe either one when they say a draft out of the question. Kucinich seems to be the only one concerned about getting the hell out of Iraq. He seems to be the only one speaking in realistic terms about our military's situation. I don't fear a women draft - it could be tried, but I doubt it would work for reasons that others stated on a thread created about this before. I fear my guy friends and my brother having to join, though.

    Speaking of Dennis, I don't know if any of you have seen this:

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kucinich.us%2Fpressreleases%2Fpr_031404.php" class="Popup

    I think it is great that he is willing to discuss subjects, like the atrocities of war, that Kerry and Bush either won't/can't bring up. It's nice to have a politician with enough compassion for both the civilians and the soldiers to raise this concern.
  • mandyvmandyv Posts: 2,437Registered Users
    ScaryCurl wrote:
    I'm going to guano this thread for a quick question. I heard on one of those conservative talk shows today (which are obviously biased) that Kerry is a registered Republican. Does anyone know if that's true?

    Perfect example of why you should question everything konservative radio says. Everything.

    LA Times today: Kerry was scheduled to hold a town hall meeting here at Marshall University and then wait for election returns from Illinois. That state's Democratic presidential primary today is expected to push Kerry past the 2,162 delegates he needs to win the party's nomination.

    Kerry, however, effectively wrapped up the Democratic race two weeks ago and has begun a dogfight with President Bush that is expected to last more than seven months until election day.



    Vote for Kucinich or Sharpton or whoever you want but don't pretend it's not a vote for Bush.
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  • AustinAustin Posts: 37Registered Users
    Vote for Kucinich or Sharpton or whoever you want but don't pretend it's not a vote for Bush.

    Exactly.
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