Protein helpful for heat-damaged thick hair?

FimuFimu Registered Users Posts: 322 Curl Novice
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  • yestheyrerealyestheyrereal Registered Users Posts: 54 Curl Neophyte
    I like curl junkie repair me.
    2c/3a
    Low-high porosity, fine/medium, high density thick hair, highlighted
    Modified CG since 12/2013
  • BotticelliBritBotticelliBrit Registered Users Posts: 2,075 Curl Neophyte
    I do the gelatin treatment here: Science-y Hair Blog: Recipes and Projects
    Seems to work well enough!

    Also, if I remember right, I think there's silk protein in my shampoo / conditioner.

    With food treatments, there's quite a bit of evidence that the molecules are too large to penetrate the hair, so they might be considered more of a moisturising treatment than a strict protein treatment :)
    3B. Med porosity. Med thickness. Med density.

    LP: Shea Moisture (currently JBCO)
    Conditioner/CW: Jason Aloe Vera

    LI: Aunt Jackie's Curls & Coils Quench
    Refreshing: TRESemmé Naturals Aloe Vera & Avocado
    Gel: DevaCurl Ultra Defining Gel
    DC:
    Aunt Jackie's Soft & Sassy Super Duper Softening Conditioner
    Treatments: Coconut oil/Coconut milk

    UK curly. CG since Oct 2013.
    Growing my hair to WL when dry :thumright:
  • FimuFimu Registered Users Posts: 322 Curl Novice
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  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Registered Users Posts: 3,750 Curl Neophyte
    Don't use protein on coarse hair (thick individual strands) or only very sparingly, at most a rinse out conditioner not an intensive treatment or leave in. Medium or thick density (number of hairs on head/ thickness of ponytail) makes no difference. Damaged and highly porous hair often does well with hydrolysed protein at least on vulnerable ends, but can need plenty of conditioning with it.

    The only food item rich in the small molecule hydrolysed protein you need is gelatin - everything else is not a protein treatment as some claim.

    Be careful with protein in shampoo, many of us do not need protein at the virgin roots and its potentially damaging to shampoo the lengths regularly. Also be careful with protein treatments in low dew points: it is a humectant so can dry out hair instead of moisturising it.

    There are a couple of useful protein articles/ recipes on the Sciencey Hairblog BotticelliBrit tried to link to, you should be able to find it via Google. Also check out the Natural Haven blog.

    Other ingredients proven useful for overly porous or damaged hair including coarse hair and in any dews are coconut oil, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • FimuFimu Registered Users Posts: 322 Curl Novice
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  • BotticelliBritBotticelliBrit Registered Users Posts: 2,075 Curl Neophyte
    Fimu wrote: »
    Thank you for the answers :)

    But the link is broken! :(

    And I don't see signatures on the phone. Which shampoo/co do you use?

    How weird, the link seems to be working for me! Just google 'gelatin treatment for hair' and the scienc-y blog should come up :)

    I use -
    Low-poo: Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus Curl & Shine
    Conditioner: Shea Moisture Raw Shea Butter Restorative
    3B. Med porosity. Med thickness. Med density.

    LP: Shea Moisture (currently JBCO)
    Conditioner/CW: Jason Aloe Vera

    LI: Aunt Jackie's Curls & Coils Quench
    Refreshing: TRESemmé Naturals Aloe Vera & Avocado
    Gel: DevaCurl Ultra Defining Gel
    DC:
    Aunt Jackie's Soft & Sassy Super Duper Softening Conditioner
    Treatments: Coconut oil/Coconut milk

    UK curly. CG since Oct 2013.
    Growing my hair to WL when dry :thumright:
  • SweetRellieSweetRellie Registered Users Posts: 468 Curl Neophyte
    I have very thick, coarse, damaged type 4 hair and until tonight, I totally dismissed the idea of protein treatments. However, immediately after I applied it, I noticed less hair in the tub, around my fingers, and in my shower comb. My hair instantly felt soft and smooth. I am living proof that the theory that coarse hair doesn't need protein every now and then is definitely a theory and not a fact.
    Thick, highly porous but protein sensitive 4a hair
    Modified Curly Girl Method

    Current Staples
    Cowash/Rinse-Out: Not Your Mother’s Naturals Tahitian Gardenia Flower & Mango Butter Conditioner
    Shampoo: NYM Naturals Tahitian Gardenia Flower Shampoo
    DC: Shea Moisture’s Raw Shea & Cupuacu, Fruit Fusion, Superfruit Complex or Manuka Honey lines
    Leave-In: Maui Moisture's Curl Milk or Shea Butter Hair Mask
    Stylers/Creams: Maui Moisture's Curl Smoothie or Camille Rose Naturals’ Sweet Buttercream (kids line)
    Sealants: Maui Moisture's Coconut Milk Weightless Oil Mist
    Scalp Treatment: Alikay Naturals Hair & Scalp Balm; Essential 17 Growth Oil
  • FimuFimu Registered Users Posts: 322 Curl Novice
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  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Registered Users Posts: 3,750 Curl Neophyte
    Conditioning, meaning using conditioners to condition hair.

    Ultimately an intensive conditioner has much the same base to a regular conditioner or leave in conditioner. Any 'true' conditioner is rich in the major emollients (fatty alcohols/ cationic surfactants).

    'Deep treating' is an umbrella term that encompasses protein treatments, heavy oiling on dry hair, bizarre DIY food concoctions, not just using intensive conditioners.

    Co-washing is a cleansing technique that focusses on the roots not a conditioning technique that focusses on the ends,
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
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  • curlypearlcurlypearl Registered Users Posts: 12,231 Curl Connoisseur
    I have coarse hair that is damaged mostly from dyeing it. Most protein treatments are horrible for my hair. It becomes like broom bristles.

    Best for me: Curl junkie Repair me (protein treatment) MIXED with Curl Junkie Curl Rehab (wonderful moisturizer). Leave on hair about 5 minutes because I have no time for deep treatments. Rinse. Follow with another 5 minutes just Curl Rehab.

    Definite improvement.

    ETA Note that another poster recommended the Repair me. It is the best I have tried so far because it has moisturizers built in but definitely mix with another moisturizing treatment and follow with deep conditioner as much as you can. It will work.
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
    Every day is a gift :flower:
  • thecurlycockneythecurlycockney Registered Users Posts: 28
    Hello :)

    I have medium strands and I find that my hair naturally thrives on protein to keep it's strength up. In fact, I didn't start retaining moisture and length until I incorporated protein into my routine.

    I started off with Redken CAT treatment to be sure and then moved onto Aphogee when I realised how much my hair loved it! With the CAT treatment, you just spray it on and leave it in between your shampoo and conditioner. It'll make the hair quite stiff and hard so you must use a deep treatment afterwards to moisturise.

    Hydrolized wheat protein, keratin and collagen tend to work best for me, I'm not sure if everything else is a bit too light......you can imagine how much my hair must need it! Which is weird because a good percentage of my hair is virgin (I have highlights and about 2 inches of old dye on the ends) and I barely use heat.

    Hope this helps! Give it a try, I think protein treatments are kinda notorious for not a good reason. I think that there are more people who need protein due to styling factors than there are people with low porosity virgin hair that don't.

    x
  • sixelamysixelamy Registered Users Posts: 4,157 Curl Novice
    I have coarse hair and was advised on my hair analysis to use only smaller protein molecules, since I have very high porosity on my ends. So if you have damaged high porosity hair - your hair can benefit from the smaller proteins like keratin and silk. She advised again the gelatin treatment and other proteins with larger molecules.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • FimuFimu Registered Users Posts: 322 Curl Novice
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  • Fifi.GFifi.G Registered Users Posts: 15,490 Curl Neophyte
    Protein can be very helpful for my hair on occasion. A large majority of it is high porosity but I do have layers of hair that are medium or low. I've never bothered testing them so I don't know for sure. I do have damage, especially to the outer layer. I was a little scared of PT's after bad experiences with products containing specific proteins until a stylist whipped up a protein treatment, slapped it on my hair, and put me under a hair dryer for 20 minutes. She told me I needed PT's far more regularly than I thought. I used JOICO K-PAK Deep Penetrating Reconstructor yesterday and my hair feels so much better! The dew points were causing extra grief. The directions call for 5 minutes in the shower. I did 20 with heat and followed with moisture. It is loaded with hydrolyzed keratin. It also contains mineral oil but I am not even flinching over that. I do not use it often enough to worry.
    When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

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  • Fifi.GFifi.G Registered Users Posts: 15,490 Curl Neophyte
    ^ I only do PT's with heat around twice a year, though. I go to products with protein or very light and quick treatments when I feel my hair needs a treat.
    When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

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