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I found something available on ground: Burt's Bees

As some of you know, finding products on ground is somewhat challenging in the Netherlands. Just today I ran into Burt's Bees hair products. I had a quick look at them and they seemed CG and perhaps interesting for my particular hair wishes (my hair craves protein, needs something light so it doesn't get weighed, no silicones, polyquats or sulphates, but I do need a gentle surfactant).

Anyway, these are the products of their line that look interesting to me. I would love to hear if my guts are right and that these are CG.

Very Volumizing Pomegranate Shampoo
aqua (water, eau), sodium bis-hydroxyethylglycinate coco-glucosides crosspolymer, sodium cocoyl alaninate, glycerin, disodium cocoyl glutamate, oryza sativa (rice) extract, hydrolyzed jojoba proteinsodium cocoyl hydrolyzed soy protein, punica granatum seed oil, origanum vulgare leaf oil, thymus vulgaris (thyme) oil, arginine, parfum (fragrance), sodium lauroyl lactylate, sodium cocoyl glutamate guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, lauryl lactyl lactate, sodium chloride, lactic acid, sodium polyaspartate, leuconostoc ferment filtrate, xanthan gum, ascorbic acid, citric acid, potassium sorbate.

If I'm correct, this shampoo contains protein, only two oils and no butters, so it is likely to be light enough for my hair.

Super Shiny Mango Shampoo
aqua (water, eau), sodium bis-hydroxyethylglycinate coco-glucosides crosspolymer, sodium cocoyl alaninate, glycerin, disodium cocoyl glutamate, parfum (fragrance), oryza sativa (rice) extractsodium cocoyl hydrolyzed soy protein, sodium cocoyl glutamate, hydrolyzed jojoba protein, arginine, sodium polyaspartate, mangifera indica (mango) seed oil, origanum vulgare leaf oil, ficus carica (fig) fruit/leaf extract thymus vulgaris (thyme) oil, sodium lauroyl lactylate, xanthan gum, guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, lauryl lactyl lactate, sodium chloride, sodium benzoate, lactic acid, leuconostoc ferment filtrate citric acid, ascorbic acid, potassium sorbate.

Same as previous shampoo.

Very Volumizing Pomegranate Conditioner
aqua (water, eau), cetyl alcohol, persea gratissima (avocado) oil, brassica alcohol, cetearyl alcohol, hydrolyzed jojoba protein, arginine, lactic acid, punica granatum seed oil, parfum (fragrance)sodium polyaspartate, stearyldimoniumhydroxypropyl laurylglucosides chloride, glycerin, brassicyl isoleucinate esylate, guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, behenyl behenate, cetrimonium bromide sodium chloride, leuconostoc ferment filtrate, ascorbic acid, citric acid, potassium sorbate.

This has a fatty alcohol and protein, but I am a bit worried about the two oils this high up the list.

Super Shiny Mango Conditioner
aqua (water, eau), cetyl alcohol, persea gratissima (avocado) oil, brassica alcohol, parfum (fragrance), cetearyl alcohol, mangifera indica (mango) seed oil, ficus carica (fig) fruit/leaf extract, argininehydrolyzed jojoba protein, brassicyl isoleucinate esylate, sodium polyaspartate, stearyldimoniumhydroxypropyl laurylglucosides chloride, glycerin, cetrimonium bromide guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, behenyl behenate, lactic acid, sodium chloride, sodium benzoate, leuconostoc ferment filtrate, citric acid, ascorbic acid, potassium sorbate.

I'm currently looking for a new rinse-out and a new low poo and it would be great if I could just get them in store instead of always having to order them online :)
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number
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  • SereneCurlsSereneCurls Posts: 1,145Registered Users
    Those lists look cg to me. Also I know I saw these on a list of cg products somewhere. I hope they work well for you.
    3a, dense, fairly coarse, normal porosity and elasticity, just below shoulder
    Low poo: Giovanni 50 50
    Co-wash: aia, suave coconut, salon care
    R O: Tresume Naturals, gvpcb
    L I: KCKT, gvpcb
    Stylers: cjpp, re : coil, kccc, brhg
    Oils: coconut, argan
    Experimenting with: curls rock amplifier, pantene mousse
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Looks decent if you hair likes hydrolysed protein. The guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride is a polyquat I think, do check Sciencey Hairblog. Not necessarily the end of the world just keep your eye open for build up as with protein.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    As far as I know, my hair likes hydrolysed protein so I'm not worried about that.

    You are right about guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride. I checked it on the Science-y Hair Blog and it is listed as a polyquat with higher build-up potential. It's relatively low on the lists though, and I don't think I've ever used a product with this particular polyquat, so who knows.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    I googled guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride and ended up at Tightly Curly. This is what she wrote about it:

    Guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride
    Caution
    Conditioning ingredient. Good in products that will be rinsed off. Water soluble quaternary ammonium compound, made from guar gum. — This is an ingredient that was in a conditioner that flaked up when I used enough product to keep my curls clumped. If you are going to rinse the product out of your hair, this ingredient is fine. If you are planning on leaving this on your hair, this may gum up. —T
    See also: Quaternary Ammonium Compound
    Source(s): Begoun

    You can find her page here and click the sources.

    This sounds promising, considering that I don't use a leave-in and will rinse out the conditioner (and needless to say, the shampoo as well). I will do some more research though.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    I've also re-read Tonya McKay's article, which mentions that specific polyquat. For those interested: Low-Shampoo or Co-Wash Routines and Polyquats
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    IME the Burt's Bees poos are at least as rough on hair as sulfate shampoos are. They throw a *lot* of non-sulfate detergents in, apparently to make up for the lack of sulfate cleansers.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Hmm, that's definitely something to consider, Morgan_Adcock. Especially since there is a polyquat in it as well, that is said to have higher potential to build-up.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Posts: 1,269Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    IME the Burt's Bees poos are at least as rough on hair as sulfate shampoos are. They throw a *lot* of non-sulfate detergents in, apparently to make up for the lack of sulfate cleansers.

    If I recall correctly, the majority of the complaints about Burt's Bees shampoos being rough on hair was before they revamped their entire line. The list for Very Volumizing Pomegranate Shampoo Laura posted has only 3.

    Very Volumizing Pomegranate Shampoo
    aqua (water, eau), sodium bis-hydroxyethylglycinate coco-glucosides crosspolymer, sodium cocoyl alaninate, glycerin, disodium cocoyl glutamate, oryza sativa (rice) extract, hydrolyzed jojoba proteinsodium cocoyl hydrolyzed soy protein, punica granatum seed oil, origanum vulgare leaf oil, thymus vulgaris (thyme) oil, arginine, parfum (fragrance), sodium lauroyl lactylate, sodium cocoyl glutamate guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, lauryl lactyl lactate, sodium chloride, lactic acid, sodium polyaspartate, leuconostoc ferment filtrate, xanthan gum, ascorbic acid, citric acid, potassium sorbate.

    Some pages with info:
    Poly Suga®Betaine C / Sodium Bis-Hydroxyethylglycinate Coco-Glucosides Crosspolymer (sodium bis-hydroxyethylglycinate coco-glucosides crosspolymer)

    sodium cocoyl glutamate - Cosmetic Ingredient Dictionary: Cosmetics Cop Expert Advice

    Sodium Cocoyl Alaninate - Buy Sodium Cocoyl Alaninate,Alanine,Cocoyl Alaninate Product on Alibaba.com

    DISODIUM COCOYL GLUTAMATE || Skin Deep® Cosmetics Database | Environmental Working Group

    Chemical of the Day - Q&A - Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate &*MSM - "There has only been one published study done on the ingredient. They found that a blend of Sodium Laureth Sulfate and Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate was more gentle on skin than a blend of Sodium Laureth Sulfate and Coco Betaine."

    This, on the other hand, is their old Super Shiny Grapefruit & Sugar Beet Shampoo's ingredients (containing 6 "gentle" surfactants): water, decyl glucoside, lauryl glucoside, coco-glucoside, glyceryl oleate, glycine soja (soybean) protein, coco-betaine, honey, sucrose laurate, betaine, glycerin, hydroxypropyltrimonium honey, glucose, citrus grandis (grapefruit) seed extract, citrus aurantium dulcis (orange) peel oil, citrus medica limonum (lemon) peel oil, citrus tangerina (tangerine) peel oil, citrus aurantifolia (lime) oil, zingiber officinale (ginger) root extract, citrus reticulata (tangerine/petitgrain) leaf oil, xanthan gum, glucose oxidase, lactoperoxidase

    The sucrose laurate is also a foam booster and emulsifier. Anyway, with only 3 surfactants in the newer shampoo formulas, they might be worth trying.
    CG since 11/2011
    2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

    Go To Products /Routine:
    Clarifying: Suave Essentials Strawberry
    Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
    CO: Suave Essentials Strawberry, V05 Kiwi Lime
    RO /LI: Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Suave Essentials Strawberry, Renpure Brazilian Keratin (old formula)
    Stylers: LALSG, AIF, HETT, Suave Professionals Firm Control
    PT: IAGirl's as needed
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    I used to love Burt's bees before they revamped the line... I used to use the raspberry moisturizing one but I used the pomegranate one..... I wonder if they re formulated the pomegranate one.

    Anyway I used to like the rasp and Pom shampoo and condish but wasn't too crazy about their new formulations, the mango one anyway. The raspberry one was replaced by the baobab one which smells horrible to me.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Sorry for errors I'm on my phone
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Posts: 1,269Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    wavydaze wrote: »
    I used to love Burt's bees before they revamped the line... I used to use the raspberry moisturizing one but I used the pomegranate one..... I wonder if they re formulated the pomegranate one.

    Anyway I used to like the rasp and Pom shampoo and condish but wasn't too crazy about their new formulations, the mango one anyway. The raspberry one was replaced by the baobab one which smells horrible to me.

    Yeah, the pomegranate one was completely reformulated too.

    Old (Pomegranate & Soy): water, decyl glucoside, lauryl glucoside, coco-betaine, coco-glucoside, glyceryl oleate, honey, glycine soja (soybean) protein, glycerin, sucrose laurate, betaine, glucose, fragrance, punica granatum (pomegranate) extract, moringa pterygosperma seed extract, soy amino acids, xanthan gum, citric acid, glucose oxidase, lactoperoxidase

    New (Pomegranate): aqua (water, eau), sodium bis-hydroxyethylglycinate coco-glucosides crosspolymer, sodium cocoyl alaninate, glycerin, disodium cocoyl glutamate, oryza sativa (rice) extract, hydrolyzed jojoba protein, sodium cocoyl hydrolyzed soy protein, punica granatum seed oil, origanum vulgare leaf oil, thymus vulgaris (thyme) oil, arginine, parfum (fragrance), sodium lauroyl lactylate, sodium cocoyl glutamate guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, lauryl lactyl lactate, sodium chloride, lactic acid, sodium polyaspartate, leuconostoc ferment filtrate, xanthan gum, ascorbic acid, citric acid, potassium sorbate
    CG since 11/2011
    2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

    Go To Products /Routine:
    Clarifying: Suave Essentials Strawberry
    Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
    CO: Suave Essentials Strawberry, V05 Kiwi Lime
    RO /LI: Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Suave Essentials Strawberry, Renpure Brazilian Keratin (old formula)
    Stylers: LALSG, AIF, HETT, Suave Professionals Firm Control
    PT: IAGirl's as needed
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Great, after reading this, it makes me want to try the conditioner so bad!!!! haha I must contain myself. Thanks for this post though, I like the ingredients break down.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I always eye the Burt's Bees while I'm at the store. If you end up trying it, let us know how you like it!
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Geek_Chic wrote: »

    If I recall correctly, the majority of the complaints about Burt's Bees shampoos being rough on hair was before they revamped their entire line. The list for Very Volumizing Pomegranate Shampoo Laura posted has only 3.

    Very Volumizing Pomegranate Shampoo
    aqua (water, eau), sodium bis-hydroxyethylglycinate coco-glucosides crosspolymer, sodium cocoyl alaninate, glycerin, disodium cocoyl glutamate, oryza sativa (rice) extract, hydrolyzed jojoba proteinsodium cocoyl hydrolyzed soy protein, punica granatum seed oil, origanum vulgare leaf oil, thymus vulgaris (thyme) oil, arginine, parfum (fragrance), sodium lauroyl lactylate, sodium cocoyl glutamate guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, lauryl lactyl lactate, sodium chloride, lactic acid, sodium polyaspartate, leuconostoc ferment filtrate, xanthan gum, ascorbic acid, citric acid, potassium sorbate.

    Some pages with info:
    Poly Suga®Betaine C / Sodium Bis-Hydroxyethylglycinate Coco-Glucosides Crosspolymer (sodium bis-hydroxyethylglycinate coco-glucosides crosspolymer)

    sodium cocoyl glutamate - Cosmetic Ingredient Dictionary: Cosmetics Cop Expert Advice

    Sodium Cocoyl Alaninate - Buy Sodium Cocoyl Alaninate,Alanine,Cocoyl Alaninate Product on Alibaba.com

    DISODIUM COCOYL GLUTAMATE || Skin Deep® Cosmetics Database | Environmental Working Group

    Chemical of the Day - Q&A - Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate &*MSM - "There has only been one published study done on the ingredient. They found that a blend of Sodium Laureth Sulfate and Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate was more gentle on skin than a blend of Sodium Laureth Sulfate and Coco Betaine."

    This, on the other hand, is their old Super Shiny Grapefruit & Sugar Beet Shampoo's ingredients (containing 6 "gentle" surfactants): water, decyl glucoside, lauryl glucoside, coco-glucoside, glyceryl oleate, glycine soja (soybean) protein, coco-betaine, honey, sucrose laurate, betaine, glycerin, hydroxypropyltrimonium honey, glucose, citrus grandis (grapefruit) seed extract, citrus aurantium dulcis (orange) peel oil, citrus medica limonum (lemon) peel oil, citrus tangerina (tangerine) peel oil, citrus aurantifolia (lime) oil, zingiber officinale (ginger) root extract, citrus reticulata (tangerine/petitgrain) leaf oil, xanthan gum, glucose oxidase, lactoperoxidase

    The sucrose laurate is also a foam booster and emulsifier. Anyway, with only 3 surfactants in the newer shampoo formulas, they might be worth trying.

    Geek_Chic, thank you so much for replying this elaborately. I read all the sources you listed and the only one that worries me is Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate, so I'm still undecided. I'm wondering what other curlies would do: get it or leave it?
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    The product junkie in me says get it, but maybe re-read some more of the articles and get a good understanding of how they might react with your hair.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Samanthacurlz, I always find it incredibly difficult to judge that based on ingredients. I mean, I know my hair does not like SLS, any cone (water-soluable or not) and polyquats, but when I encounter surfactants that are not straight sulphates or cocobetaine, then I cannot predict it. I think my hair loves cocobetaine because it did extremely well with CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, but I cannot get my hands on that for the time being. Also, my hair loved Weleda Wheat Shampoo but it has alcohol in it and while my hair actually looked better than with the shampoo that I currently have (which has no alcohol), I don't dare to get it again simply because I'm scared of what it might do. This is the alcohol vs. non-alcohol comparison:

    WeledaWheatvsDeTuinenCactus_zps17c344e1.jpg

    On the one hand I'm tempted to just get the Burt's Bees Volumizing one and see what it does, but in the Netherlands, you don't have any return policies. I like that there is protein in it and it just looks good in general. It's just the third surfactant (disodium cocoyl glutamate) and the polyquat, although low on the list, that make me doubt.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    I've tried many many low-poos.

    This was what I've learned. The CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo was by far the mildest low-poo I've ever tried. It really beats the drugstore ones. No drugstore low-poo comes close. I wonder about the Jessicurl low-poo as well. I have a feeling that the higher end, curly low-poos are much better than the drugstore ones.


    As far as other lowpoos:

    The SheaMoisture poos are gentle as well, but not fit for low-porosity IMO. I preferred the Coconut-Hibiscus poo over the Moisture Retention poo, which built up on me in one use.

    I've liked the Giovanni low-poos a lot, but not as much as CJ Gentle Cleansing in soft water. I've found in hard water, I liked them much more than the CJ low-poo. So water hardness makes a difference and I need something stronger in hard water. I must say that I don't feel a huge difference between the ones that come in the white bottles: Tea Tree Triple Treat, 50:50 and Smooth as Silk. I'd normally go for the latter two between those. However, I do like the Brazilian Keratin and Argan Oil one. I think it's a bit milder than the white bottle ones. If I were living in the Netherlands with limited access, this is the one I would pick:

    Giovanni, 2chic, Ultra-Sleek Shampoo, Brazilian Keratin & Argan Oil, 8.5 fl oz (250 ml) - iHerb.com

    These are the ingredients:
    Aqua (purified water), sodium cocoamphoacetate, decyl glucoside, sodium lauroyl sarcosinate, cocamidopropyl betaine, simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil, panthenol (pro-vitamin B-5), beta carotene, guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, *argania spinosa (argan) kernel oil, hydrolyzed paullinia cupana (Brazilian cocoa) keratin extract [phyto-keratin], *aloe barbadensis (aloe vera) leaf juice, *aspalathus linearis (rooibos tea) extract, *cocos nucifera (coconut) oil, *macadamia ternifolia (macadamia) seed extract, *butyrospermum parkii (shea butter) extract, sodium benzoate, citric acid, potassium sorbate, polysorbate 20, glycol distearate, sodium PCA, phenoxyethanol, natural fragrance

    The bonus is it has some keratin. It's also much much cheaper than CJ's.
    Alternately I'd use 50:50 for something more clarifying.


    Other honorable mentions are YesToCucumbers shampoo which is fairly mild but something bugs me about it. I also don't really like the smell.

    Original Sprout shampoo /home/leaving?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.originalsprout.com%2Fnatural-shampoo" class="Popup

    The BROO IPA one was definitely interesting. Not harsh but I think it left a bit of buildup so not fit for low-porosity hair.


    Hope this helps.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    One more thing about the Burt's Bees. So back in the day I used to always buy matching shampoo and conditioner (how silly ha). The old Raspberry and Brazil Nut shampoo and condish worked nicely on my hair, but I think it was the conditioner that was so agreeable. Looking back, I think the shampoo was a bit drying, though not disastrous to my hair. I've certainly found better low-poos since then.

    I think these were the ingredients to the old BB Raspberry and Brazil Nut conditioner:

    water, centrimonium bromide, cetearyl alcohol, sucrose laurate, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, triticum vulgare (wheat) protein, betaine, glycerin, honey, sclerocarya birrea (marula) seed oil, glucose, bertholletia excelsa (brazil nut) oil, rubus idaeus (raspberry) fruit extract, citrus aurantium bergamia (bergamot) fruit oil, citrus aurantium dulcis (orange) peel oil, eucalyptus globulus (eucalyptus) leaf oil, foeniculum vulgare (fennel) oil, fragaria vesca (strawberry) fruit extract, citrus reticulata (tangerine/petitgrain) leaf oil, litsea cubeba fruit oil, vanillin, artemisia pallens (davana) oil, polysorbate 60, fragrance, glucose oxidase, lactoperoxidase

    Judging by the ingredients, I guess I could see why my hair liked it: cationic surfactant, fatty alcohol, emollient, hydrolized protein, hydrolized protein.... so those are things that are good for my hair. I remember I tried mixing honey into my condish once and my hair loved it... wondering if the honey in this was playing a role. I guess I just sorta found a good conditioner for my hair kind of blindly... I didn't know anything about ingredients back then. Too bad they changed the formula.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • MeeBeeMeeBee Posts: 128Registered Users
    I tried the pomegranate shampoo and conditioner once many years ago and remember not liking them at all. The shampoo was VERY drying and the conditioner did not condition at all, in the least. I'd imagine if they changed their formula it's because of all the bad reviews. Which is good, but never brought myself to try it again. Love Burt's Bees for my daughter though. And their lemon butter cuticle cream and their tinted lip balms are out of this freakin' world!
    2C/3A, high porosity, low density, fine-medium

    Low Poo: Jessicurl Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Mop Top Gentle Shampoo
    Clarify: Suave Naturals Daily Clarifying, KCCC
    RO/CoWash: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut
    LI: KCKT
    Stylers: AG re:coil, AG Beach Bomb, Mop Top Light Hold Anti-Frizz Gel, LA Looks Xtreme Sport
    PT: Curl Junkie Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatin treatment (awesome!)

    Hair LOVES proteins!
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    I completely understand. I guess for me, I see all that protein and would want to jump on it! Haha. I think you should take the risk!

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    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Thanks for all the responses!

    Wavydaze, I'm glad you gave me a context by comparing some low poos to CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo. We have soft water in the Netherlands, so that might explain why I like it so much. I'm really excited that you included the Original Sprout link because I spotted that brand on a website just last week. I checked it again and it sounds very promising. These are the Original Sprout Natural Shampoo ingredients:

    Aqua [Water with Extracts of Organic Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf, Organic (Calendula) Officinalis Flower, Organic Vaccinium Macrocarpon (Cranberry) Fruit, Organic (Arnica) Montana Flower, Organic Cucumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit], Vegetable Glycerin, Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Decyl Glucoside, Acrylates Copolymer, Cetyl Alcohol, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Cinnamidopropyltrimonium Chloride, Sodium Hydroxide, Caprylyl Glycol, Disteareth-100 IPDI, Polyaminopropyl Biguanide, Caprylhydroxamic Acid, Parfum with Natural Extracts

    It has no protein and no sulphates, but it does have Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, which is a natural polyquat that might possibly be hard to remove. Still, it sounds like a gentle poo and I like the philosophy behind the brand. With this, I discovered a website called BeautyBay.com, which carries this for about €17 and no shipping costs.

    As I was browsing there, I found another brand that might be interesting. It's called Estelle & Thild, and I am particularly interested in their baby shampoo:

    aqua, citrus aurantium amara flower water*, sodium cocoamphoacetate, glycerin, lauryl glucoside, hydrolyzed wheat protein, sodium cocoyl glutamate, sodium lauryl glucose carboxylate, aloe barbadensis leaf extract*, cocobetaine, coco-glucoside, glyceryl oleate, citric acid, sodium benzoate, potassium sorbate.

    * Ingredient from Organic Farming.

    So now I'm considering these three. Just to complete the comparison with prices:

    Burt's Bees Very Volumizing Pomegranate Shampoo: €12.99 for 295 ml (on ground)
    Original Sprout Natural Shampoo: €16.90 for 354 ml (BeautyBay)
    Estelle & Thild Baby & Child Shampoo: €17.20 for 200 ml (BeautyBay)

    BeeMee, I definitely have to get their lemon butter cuticle cream someday - it smelled divine!

    Samanthacurlz, the protein are definitely very appealing! I still haven't decided.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Hmm you know what, I'm thinking of just getting it and see how it goes. Although the Original Sprout one is really tempting, it does not have protein and it has that natural polyquat. Estelle & Thild sounds tempting because it has protein and does not have the polyquat, but it is considerably more expensive. I think I'd prefer to try Burt's Bees first then. Perhaps my hair does not have any problems with this polyquat and then I'd finally have found something that I can get within a ten-minutes walk! The price is good, it has protein, and is CG. What more do I want?
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • MeeBeeMeeBee Posts: 128Registered Users
    I think if it's easier to get and cheaper over all you should definitely get it. Ordering things online and waiting for them is a pain.

    I will say, not to make your decision harder, ha, that I've Original Sprout before and really loved it. It smells soooooo good. But, I don't know if it's CG and Burt's Bees obviously is and, at this point, it's a no brainier! I'd get the BB too!
    2C/3A, high porosity, low density, fine-medium

    Low Poo: Jessicurl Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Mop Top Gentle Shampoo
    Clarify: Suave Naturals Daily Clarifying, KCCC
    RO/CoWash: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut
    LI: KCKT
    Stylers: AG re:coil, AG Beach Bomb, Mop Top Light Hold Anti-Frizz Gel, LA Looks Xtreme Sport
    PT: Curl Junkie Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatin treatment (awesome!)

    Hair LOVES proteins!
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    MeeBee, Original Sprout is CG as far as I can tell :) I just might try it sometime, because I am really curious about it. If it would have had protein, the decision would have been even harder, haha.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    I think I would still pick the Giovanni BK&AO over the Original Sprout... And it's also significantly cheaper. But whichever you choose, let us know how it goes!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    I just saw on the website that they have a baby shampoo as well, which has these ingredients:

    aqua (water, eau), decyl glucoside, coco-betaine, lauryl glucoside, sucrose laurate, glycerin, parfum (fragrance), betaine, sodium cocoyl hydrolyzed soy protein, coco-glucoside, glyceryl oleate, sodium chloridexanthan gum, glucose, citric acid, glucose oxidase, lactoperoxidase, limonene.

    So I did my research and this is what I found.

    Decyl glucoside is a gentle non-ionic surfactant (source). The Natural Haven has a post that says that non-ionic surfactants generally speaking are gentle surfactants (source). Decyl glucoside has an alkaline pH of 7 to 9.5 so there should be something acidic to bring that down (source), and there is (citric acid).

    Coco-betaine I haven't researched because I know it is a gentle surfactant and thanks to wavydaze I think I like it so much because we have soft water here.

    Lauryl glucoside is a surfactant. Paula's Choice rates it as good. I found that it is a non-ionic surfactant, just like decyl glucoside (source).

    Sucrose laurate is a naturally derived emulsifier (source)

    Glycerin we are familiar with already and it hasn't really proven to be a problem for me in the past. Also, I will rinse out the shampoo so it's fine.

    Betaine I couldn't find so my only source is Wikipedia, which says that it is "any neutral chemical compound with a positively charged cationic functional group." Not sure what that means.

    Sodium cocoyl hydrolysed soy protein: the stuff my hair loves!

    Coco-glucoside is another non-ionic surfactant (source).

    Glyceryl oleate is a naturally derived emulsifier (source).

    Sodium chloridexanthan gum --> looks to me that these are supposed to be two separate ingredients but I'm not sure. If so, then we're dealing with table salt and a thickening agent (based on Paula's dictionary).

    Glucose is listed in that same dictionary as good and I don't really know of any instance in which it was damaging either.

    Glucose oxidase "is an enzyme that catalyzes the oxidation of the sugar glucose to gluconic acid" (source) so that, then, together with the citric acid, makes up for the alkaline surfactant that's in it.

    Lactoperoxidase gets "best" in Paula's dictionary. It's an enzyme with anti-bacterial properties, so I think it's a preservative?

    Limonene is a fragrance listed as poor, but I've used so many products with this in it and never have found it troubling.

    My conclusion then is that all the surfactants are gentle. I have not found any ingredients that will cause build-up for me - or at least not ones that I know of. It has some protein which is really nice. I think I'm going to pick up a bottle of this instead of the Very Volumizing Pomegranate shampoo.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    read below
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    read below:
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    On the main BB website I was wondering why "Hair" wasn't a main category. It is hidden under "More." That may mean they're trying to phase out their haircare products? It seems like they have a lot of negative reviews, and they realized they messed up. Personally I thought their older formulas were much better, especially their conditioners.


    Burt's Bees was bought out by Clorox circa 2007-ish, and many if not most of their products have been changing ever since.

    Actually, I was appalled and surprised to find that Burt's Bees had whitening, yes whitening skincare. This is marketed to Asia only AFAIK and kept really hush in the US as it would not go over well on the shelves over there. Don't know about Europe. Across countries in Asia, whitening skincare products are the norm seemingly. And a so-called or used-to-be natural company like BB joining them.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    I noticed that as well, wavydaze. It is a separate category on the British and the Swedish websites, for example, so not sure what it is supposed to mean.

    And whitening skincare, wow. I cannot imagine that European laws would allow for that.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
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