Born with thin, fine hair and need more volume

Rawr4CookiezRawr4Cookiez Posts: 35Registered Users
Hello, my hair type is a 3A and I was BORN with fine, thin. My hair just lays on my scalp and there are bald spots. Usually I just use non sulfate shampoo and v05 conditioner. I rise the conditioner upside down in the shower and then diffuse my hair upside down but it doesn't seem like it's enough volume. I was wondering if there is a way to make it look thicker?

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  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 12,226Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Have you tried any of the thickening or volumizing products that are in mousse form? I think you can get good results from many drugstore products. Don't use too much because it will weigh down your hair, although mousse is lighter than gel and therefore usually recommended for volume. If you find one you particularly like, please post back. Good luck!
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
    Every day is a gift :flower:
  • BluebloodBlueblood Posts: 1,748Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I hope you've seen a doctor and had:
    1. The side effects of any medication you are on checked,
    2. Blood tests to check nutrient levels particularly B vitamins, ferritin and Vitamin D, and
    3. Hormone tests for things like diabetes and thyroid.

    The last 2 you would need some of your results reviewed by a dermatologist or trichologist as family doctors often say lab results are fine when they aren't and this can lead to other more serious health problems in the long term.

    The reason I'm bringing this up is while it's normal to have fine and low density hair it's not normal UNLESS you have certain inherited conditions or had trauma to the follicles to have bald spots as a woman.

    There are lots of women around including on hair forums like this who have something like iron deficient for years who have low hair density and/or bald spots. A friend of mine suffered this and it was only when she kept getting dizzy and fainting was the reason investigated properly.
  • SaMmIe10SaMmIe10 Posts: 243Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Do you mean actual bald spots or spots that look balding because of the way your hair parts?

    I ask because the latter is what happens to me. I have thin, fine 2C hair. I got curls from my dad, but fine, thin hair from my mom (who had pin-straight hair). It's been like that my whole life, like you say.

    Sometimes it looks like I have bald spots because of the way my hair parts or the way the curls lay on my head, but when I look closer it's not actually balding but just the way it looks. Scalp is visible.

    Either way, I know how you feel. My hair has been like this forever too. It is easier to manage in the summer when dew points aren't as low because it fluffs up a little. Winter is bad for me though. I am going to try using a mousse instead of a gel next time I shower. I used to like HE Totally Twisted Mousse a long time ago, so maybe I'll see what I get with that.

    Good luck, let me know if anything works for you!
    Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer :dontknow:
    Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
    Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
    Styler: KCCC
    Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

    Started CG 9/10/13
  • BeinDebBeinDeb Posts: 583Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    If this is about appearance of bald spots, boy, can I relate! I have wonder-filled cowlicks (thanks Mom) that give me problematic areas. Combine that with silver, fine, naturally porous (dries in 2 hours WITH product, less than 1 without, and 1st at the roots!), curlific hair, as well as TX weather (if you don't like it wait a minute), and any kind of a consistent style, much less covering the skin left open from the cowlicks is rough!

    Gel is a God send for me. That, and my big pick. After putting on the gel, as it's drying, I'll go all around my head carefully using the pick. I insert the pick, with it pointing up a bit (to get underneath the clumped curls), gently lift (maybe a 1/4 of an inch) it straight, and then pulling it out. This keeps my hair from sticking to my head (forcing it down) while it's drying, and the base of the pick lifts the curls without breaking the forming gel cast and causing frizz. I do this 3 or 4 times while it's drying. Sometimes after doing this, I will go upside down (if I remember) and gently shake my head a bit.

    Warning: doing this, does amp the shrinkage. My shoulder length hair dries up to the base of my skull!

    For me anyway, doing this does seem to keep the cowlicks under control and the skin showing to a minimum. It also enables me to keep my natural volume for that mandatory, infamous, TX big hair look.
  • emmmadilemmmaemmmadilemmma Posts: 8Registered Users
    In terms of styling and products, it can help to use clips on your roots during the drying process. Also, plopping can help to increase volume.
    However, it will probably be most helpful to do hair treatments. Protein treatments can do wonders for strengthening and thickening hair. Amla has similar effects, with the added bonus of decreasing shedding. After I do an amla treatment and wash it out in the shower, I notice that barely any hairs come out while I'm detangling.
    Hope this helps!
    2B, medium textured, medium porosity

    CG since Sept. 2012

    Cleanser: Jason Dandruff Relief Shampoo (sulfate free)
    RO Conditioners: Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner, Nature's Gate Jojoba
    Gels/Styling Products: DevaCurl B'Leave In, AG Cosmetics Re:Coil, Aussie Instant Freeze Gel, BSRHG
    Protein Treatment: IAgirl's gelatin protein treatment
    Amla treatment every other week
  • BeinDebBeinDeb Posts: 583Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Yup. Tried the claw clip thingys. My hair "memory" (you've got to see it to believe it) would not allow, and they left marks every bit as much as doing roller sets. The smaller ones did work, but they were such a PITA to remove - no matter how careful I was, some of the fine threads that make up the silver locks would get ripped. As for plopping, I kinda, sorta do that, but without the towel. After using the pick to lift, when I do take the time to go upside down, I just use a cupped hand and gently lift. Again, my hair's naturally, HIGHLY porous.

    It might help to add, this is all on freshly washed, 1st day hair. This is the only time I use this way of styling. 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th day hair is easily achieved for me with wet, gelled or some other product on my hands & fingers with a bit of raking and lightly scrunching. I suspect it works for me because of my hair's properties. Perhaps using the pick to lift at the roots may cause frizz, but it amps my hair from inside out and the curls stay intact (until I scrunch the crunch) and it doesn't look frizzy. People tell me I have thick hair. I don't! It's an optical illusion. In a ponytail, it's less than a 1/2 inch. If I put it up bun wise, all I need is 3 or 4 bobby pins to hold it in place all day.

    Protein for my hair is a given. It happily eats it for all meals, and gratefully accepts snacks. It's what keeps the curls satisfied and jumping for joy.

    This is just what works for me - ymmv.
  • dixygirldixygirl Posts: 279Banned Users
    I saw a mist online that I am interested in trying called Redken Wool Shake 08
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYUZihNm_eE
    It is supposed to make your hair look huge!

    One thing that I like about this is that decades ago when I last used a gel successfully, it was also a very fine, light mist that was highly diluted. This is definitely a fine atomized mist so I would really like to sample it.
    3b/c, 2c at nape, fine, norm-hi porosity, low density, biracial, BSL
    Conditioner:Kanechom, Silicon Mix. Hello Hydration. ApHogee 2min
    Co-Wash: $ store cond
    Prepoo: combinations of:yogurt, liquid aminos, honey,mustard oil, egg,red palm oil,coconut milk
    Leave in Products: Silicon Mix Proteina de Perla LI, coconut milk, coconut oil, olive oil, or mustard oil
    Naturally curly color treated
    Fan of www.tightlycurly.com "Curly Like Me"
  • Robert2365Robert2365 Posts: 2Registered Users
    use voluminous shampoo and blow dry your hairs
  • CurlyInParadiseCurlyInParadise Posts: 137Registered Users
    @BeingDeb- don't know if you will see this reply or not but I have hair issues similar to yours and am also in Texas with lots of humidity. Actually I have coarse thin hair vs fine. I also have 3a curls that “rope curl" from the scalp and show my pink scalp which I hate. I use two things that help - XFusion in gray color (a shake on keratin fiber product) or plain ol cornstarch.

    Would love to know what (poo,condish,gel,etc) hair products you use. I am a PJ and don't mind at all.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]______
    3a, med porous, low density
    Poo: Have to admit I have recently become a Wen convert. Love it. I have always had problems with my hair "hanging" right, curling uniformly and destorting the perimeter line. Wen makes it hang evenly.
  • BeinDebBeinDeb Posts: 583Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Thanks for the tip...where does one find this Xfusion wonderment? As far as products, I'm still experimenting (as the budget allows).

    I adore FSG for 2nd or 3rd day hair. As mentioned before, my hair drinks any product I put on it, and FSG is definitely a HG for the thirsty, crazy locks. Also a must is protein. Without it, my curls will fade into oblivion, so another staple is Sally's Colorful Neutral Protein Filler. I add it to just about everything. I Love the SM yucca balboa products for fine/thin hair, although they do seem to work better in the Winter for me. I've recently indulged in the coconut hibiscus line SM line...like it, but haven't completely mastered correct application for my hair's properties. Both lines within the SM have sold me 100% on their shampoos.

    My favorite conditioner (also use it as a leave in) is Renpure's Brazilian Keratin Straightening Conditioner. (my curls didn't get the memo it's supposed to straighten them - lol). I adore the smell, and the strands feel it's extremely moisturizing. I also do add CNPF to it when I use it as a leave in. Best of all, it's cheap! I get the big bottle with a pump at Walgreens for around $8, less when its on sale.

    As far as gel goes, I'm a bit wishy washy with it. I know it's necessary, but dislike it immensely by itself. I have much better luck mixing it with whatever I use as a leave in or with my FSG spray. I've used the blue LA Sports Gel that's so popular, Softee Protein gel, and recently the Eco Styler Olive Oil. The Eco Styler doesn't seem to bug me near as much as the other 2. I'm just not crazy about gel in general. I think it's because my hair is so porous! I hate the way it makes it feel, even after SOTC!
  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    I am with Blueblood 100%. Just because one is born with thin, fine hair doesn't mean one should be stuck with that for life or have bald spots. I'm living proof of that. As a child (and poor eater...) I had very thin hair, but I became interested in nutrition and at 18 began taking a protein supplement and vitamins and by age 20 my hair had changed quite a bit and I had a head full of hair, I even had a stylist thin my hair on top once...

    Through the years the density has varied because that can depend on our hormonal fluctuations, especially progesterone which is mainly produced when a woman ovulates, and thyroid hormones. Also, as BB mentioned, being low in iron and a number of B vitamins is a factor. My best friend once asked my opinion (because of my knowledge about nutrition) about hair loss she was having and I asked about her diet... well, she was not only always "on the run" (= stress, which robs us of basic nutrients) but she barely had time to eat some crackers and coffee with milk in the mornings, and the rest of the day wasn't often a whole better, so I told her to take a B-complex and work at improving her diet and that did the trick.

    Any person can go through an entire life of poor eating habits and never correlate their food intake, or existing health problems, to the condition of their hair but I think that's the first place where everyone should look. ;-)
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
    Hair: color-treated, mostly 3A.
    CO-wash: VO5 K&L
    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil

  • CurlyInParadiseCurlyInParadise Posts: 137Registered Users
    @BeingDeb- I ordered the XFusion from Amazon. It's $25.00 but is a miracle. Comes in different colors, I get gray.

    I do have a very healthy diet. I am thin but have genetically high cholesterol and if I don't keep those numbers low, my doctor will really push me to take a statin drug which I refuse to do. My healthy diet has done nothing for my thinning hair. I stopped dyeing because of the thinning but I suspect my age effects it.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]______
    3a, med porous, low density
    Poo: Have to admit I have recently become a Wen convert. Love it. I have always had problems with my hair "hanging" right, curling uniformly and destorting the perimeter line. Wen makes it hang evenly.
  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    @BeingDeb- I ordered the XFusion from Amazon. It's $25.00 but is a miracle. Comes in different colors, I get gray.

    I do have a very healthy diet. I am thin but have genetically high cholesterol and if I don't keep those numbers low, my doctor will really push me to take a statin drug which I refuse to do. My healthy diet has done nothing for my thinning hair. I stopped dyeing because of the thinning but I suspect my age effects it.

    Genes only determine a tendency towards something, it's been proven we can alter most tendencies.

    I am sure your diet is good, but
    it's been my experience that what constitutes a "healthy" diet is very subjective. For example, vegans believe so but it's been proven that their diet lacks vit. B-12 and probably other nutrients. And because most of us don't eat "everything" and/or tend to enjoy some foods more than others, it's very possible that we could inadvertently be shortchanging ourselves of some nutrients. Then there's also how we digest our foods and how much we actually assimilate. I could go on and on, but I think you get my point. I'm saying all this because there is a very misunderstood nutrient that a lot of people are not getting enough of, and it's closely associated with high cholesterol.

    Please, do NOT take a statin, they are really bad. This is just one close-up example: 3 yrs. ago I had a roommate who was having pain and weakness in her arms to the point that it was interfering with her everyday activities, then one day a friend sent me one of those "Fwd" e-mails about the dangers of statins (it can weaken muscles...an oxymoron since the heart IS a muscle...) and I told her about it. She decided to stop it and the pain and weakness began to go away almost immediately, that probably also saved her life since she had already had a heart attack many years ago.

    Do you by any chance have hypothyroidism or any autoimmune disorder?

    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
    Hair: color-treated, mostly 3A.
    CO-wash: VO5 K&L
    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil

  • CurlyInParadiseCurlyInParadise Posts: 137Registered Users
    Yeah,I have no intentions of ever taking a statin. I have my blood work checked in an annual checkup. FWIW, my doctor reads the results and says my thyroid is fine and I know I don't have an autoimmune problem. I have studied/researched my diet to make sure that I get what I need while watching the fat intake and I have cut out all sugar when I made this diet change a few years ago.

    I am 67 and went thru menopause at 45 and I feel my hair has gradually thinned since then. It still looks ok and full since it's curly. I just don't like the pink scalp showing on crown as all my white roots grow in. So I just sprinkle a little xfusion here and there on top of my head.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]______
    3a, med porous, low density
    Poo: Have to admit I have recently become a Wen convert. Love it. I have always had problems with my hair "hanging" right, curling uniformly and destorting the perimeter line. Wen makes it hang evenly.
  • BluebloodBlueblood Posts: 1,748Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    @CurlyInParadise it sounds like if you are healthy it's the decrease in hormones since the menopause.

    BTW Though I'm sure you are OK as you aren't complaining of anything else, always get a print out of test results.

    Unless they are a specialist they will say your results are fine because they are in the lab range but are actually on the low part of the lab range. This is a problem for a few vitamins and minerals but for vitamin b12 in particular in a lot of countries.
  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    Blueblood wrote: »
    @CurlyInParadise it sounds like if you are healthy it's the decrease in hormones since the menopause.

    BTW Though I'm sure you are OK as you aren't complaining of anything else, always get a print out of test results.

    Unless they are a specialist they will say your results are fine because they are in the lab range but are actually on the low part of the lab range. This is a problem for a few vitamins and minerals but for vitamin b12 in particular in a lot of countries.

    I agree, I participated in a thyroid forum for several years and lots of women, like myself, only got diagnosed when things got pretty bad.

    Menopause is certainly a cause, the decrease in female hormones causes an imbalance where testosterone may turn into DHT. I had mine at 47 (a good while back...) and when my Mom had b/c I stopped the estrogen but couldn't stand the hot flashes so I went back on it, but I take just enough to keep them at bay.
    I take estradiol, the most active form; I crush the pills and just put a little under my tongue 1x/day and that works for me even if I forget a couple of days. I also still use a progesterone cream to balance the estrogen out. Progesterone is recommended to avoid menopausal hairloss, I also take Lugol's iodine and I'm happy to say I have plenty of hair.

    At one point, before all that, I lost quite a bit after taking Armour Thyroid and after almost a year it had not grown back, but when I took a certain brand of silica (w/MSM) it all grew back very quickly. However, both my sisters who were not doing any of that were losing their hair and they asked me what I was doing. ;-)
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
    Hair: color-treated, mostly 3A.
    CO-wash: VO5 K&L
    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil

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