Hair thinning due to female pattern baldness - suggestions

tunzytunzy Posts: 3Registered Users
I have thinning hair due to female pattern baldness and are under the care of a dermatologist.

I am taking spiralactone (going up to 75mg) and am waiting to see if it helps - also had a lot of stress lately which I am sure doesn't help. I have tried Regaine already and it worked for a while and then it stopped working and I got some psoriasis on the scalp.

The derm said the hair won't grow back and it is really hard to deal with that. I am taking some evening primrose oil etc to see if that helps.

Does anyone have suggestions as to products to use as my curl isn't so curly due to no weight in it.

I am trying volumising foam and collagen sprays.

I live in Australia so I am not sure that everything is available here but I would love to hear what people are using that works!
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  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 7,169Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    I can so relate to your post, even down to being in Australia! No help though, sadly. My hair's been thin for quite some time now but I only recently went to see a dermatologist (October). She basically said there was little to be done about it but gave me a script for Spironalactone and told me to try Minoxidil. I duly got both but they're gathering dust in the drawer as I came home and did some reading and decided not to bother - I seemed to find more negative comments than positive ones. So, for now, I'm really doing nothing. I'd had some bloods done last August and had really low iron levels so was hoping once the levels came up that things might improve but nothing so far (my iron is now the low end of normal). I've been taking EPO for years for my skin and that's not done anything for my hair that I can see, tried Jamaican black castor oil - nothing and hair supplements - nothing. I'm pretty much resigned to this being my lot, it's very depressing.
    I don't use any particular products to help with volume, so no help there either.
    Apologies for the less than cheery post.
    3b in South Australia.
  • tunzytunzy Posts: 3Registered Users
    That's ok - it is not a cheery subject.
    I am taking supplements too but nothing much happening there. I did find the regaine good when I was on it - after a couple of months the hair stopped falling out and I felt my hair regrowing but now it is back to its horrible self and as you probably know, styling is the pits as I was so used to not styling at all!
    I heard about fenugreek to grow hair - might try that.
    I think there is research with Latisse on the way ( grows eyelashes) but I don't know if they use it here. Dermatologists are so conservative
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 7,169Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    How long did you use the Regaine for? The thing that got me about it, and the spironalactone, was that you have to take them forever and if you stop any new regrowth disappears again. I didn't feel comfortable doing that, though I guess one day the discomfort of my scalp being on display may well outweigh my discomfort of being on medication permanently for something that isn't life-threatening.
    3b in South Australia.
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 12,231Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I've had good luck with Rogaine (but I buy the generic Minoxidil because it costs less).

    My derm said buy the men's foam because it is much easier to apply and use it only ONCE a day. That way we are getting the right amount for women since the men's is twice the strength of the women's.

    It's very easy, just squirt some out and rub onto the areas that are thinning. I use it on my hairline and in the back spot where I first noticed thinning. I use it at night before I sleep but I wait 5-10 minutes after applying to let it dry.

    I haven't had any side effects and it seems to be working fine. My aunt, father and grandmother all went bald so I'm very glad for the minox. Please let us know how you are doing. Good luck!!!
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
    Every day is a gift :flower:
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 7,169Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    curlypearl - do you then wash in the mornings? I think I had it in my head that I would have to use it after I'd done my hair in the morning and leave it on all day and reapply the next morning - so it would be there all the time, if you see what I mean. I actually never thought of using it overnight and that being enough. Hope you get what I mean! I never even read the instructions when I bought it, maybe I should.
    3b in South Australia.
  • tunzytunzy Posts: 3Registered Users
    I took it for about 10 months and it started to work about about 2. you sometimes get a bit of hair coming out first.
    I did the same as curlypearl and used it at night. Wasn't a problem the next day
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 7,169Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    I've heard about the possibility of losing a little hair when you start using it - another reason I'm wary of using it. I also have psoriasis on my scalp anyway, which I've only recently got some control over so I'm worried about that flaring up too.
    3b in South Australia.
  • curlimamicurlimami Posts: 56Registered Users
    Have you ever heard of using Shapleys MTG oil? It is a product created for horses, but the same company has the same product (same formula+fragrance to make it more likeable for human use) available for humans. Let me go get the link to it on Amazon - there are lots of reviews from people with alopecia and even some photos of hair regrowth after using the product.

    I have some on the way (live in Mexico) to me now, Im experiencing hair loss due to :Depo Provera (off now, for 2 months!) , sebborheic derma****, and stress/diet. I eliminated dairy recently and feel a lot less itchy (from the SD). All in all the oast year I have seen a 50% reduction in hair volume, so am getting really worried that it is starting to be obvious to others. Its a good thing that i had so much to begin with, but I am still super upset about it.

    Anyway, my MTG oil wont get here for a couple weeks, will update this thread in a month or so with some first thoughts. Back with links.
    All bets off on finding the perfect products for the curls - focusing on regrowing (50%) hair loss due to
    A) Depo Provera (injectable birth control)
    B) seborrheic dermatitis
    C) stress/diet
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 12,231Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Starmie, I'm sorry I missed your post in this thread. I just haven't looked in a while.

    I use the Minoxidil foam at night. It dries in about 10 minutes. The men's foam is much easier to use than the women's preparation which is a liquid. You just use it overnight. It worked for me!

    How is it going with you?

    Hope you are getting results.
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
    Every day is a gift :flower:
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 7,169Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Ah, it's ok, I often forget I've even posted in threads and don't revisit!

    I haven't tried anything yet, still too chicken I'm sad to say! I bought the women's formula, which I presume is the liquid, it was just what the derm. told me to get, I don't think I looked at anything else. Wonder why they don't make foam for women? Maybe I'll do a bit more reading and see about actually using the stuff, I was hoping that my increased iron levels would maybe have a beneficial effect on my hair, but it seems not, maybe I'll bite the bullet and give it a go. At least the hair loss doesn't seem to ever get any worse, it looks pretty much the same now as it did when I first noticed it.
    3b in South Australia.
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 7,169Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    dp
    3b in South Australia.
  • MooshvilleMooshville Posts: 111Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I've been battling this for 8 years now. Thankfully due to the body I have from wavy/poofy hair, it's not terribly apparent yet, though I do have to place some hair strategically or a little scalp will show.

    There is no cure. Rogaine use for 1 year made it go faster. I've spent thousands on try this and that over the years. Now I'm down to I can't stop it or slow it down much.

    What I use now just to get the most volume are shampoo bars, like from chagrin valley. You can get samples and see if any work for you. It's quite different than liquids but you can use citric acid/acv rinse to help get the residue out. I haven't found anything as good for pure volume as shampoo bars.

    I have been experimenting lately for a couple weeks now with aleppo soap on my scalp. It's from syria and if you don't have problematic scalp otherwise, you can get the lower percentage of laurel. It's pure laurel and olive oil soap. I've been noticing that less hair is coming out in the shower, so I'm going to keep with this. I have seborrheic dermatitis so I get the 40% laurel bar to help me with this.
  • MedalMedal Posts: 9Registered Users
    Hi everyone, my first post here. I am also in the sad position of struggling with hair loss, and have been diagnosed with female pattern baldness at the age of 38. I am using Rogaine foam once a day and am also taking finasteride (Propecia) as recommended by my dermatologist. I am not really finding any help with either as my hair is continuing to thin, which is really upsetting me. I have also tried a number of supplements.

    Mooshville, the aleppo soap sounds interesting, is it still helping with your hair loss when you wash your hair?

    It would be nice to keep this thread going as a support for us all.
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 7,169Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Medal, sorry you're going through this too, it's miserable isn't it? How long have you been using the Rogaine? I still can't bring myself to use it, I actually got the info leaflet out of the box today and had a read, not that there was much info there. I'm just scared that I'll be one of those who get more hair loss when they start using it and I'm not sure I can deal with that.
    3b in South Australia.
  • MedalMedal Posts: 9Registered Users
    Hi Starmie,

    I have been using Rogaine for around a year, started with the liquid, then moved to the foam which is much better cosmetically as it doesn't make my hair look greasy (and even thinner!). I am not sure if I can recommend it though as I haven't had any success with it really. I do have some regrowth, but its not a huge amount and my hair is continuing to shed (it hasn't helped with that at all).

    Plus I am scared to stop it now incase I get more hair loss, which I really don't need!

    It is miserable, I long for my hair of 2 years ago back.

    In your case, it is good that your hair loss isn't getting worse. Have you tried massaging with essential oils in a carrier oil? Do you lose a lot of hair daily like I seem to? Perhaps you need to give your iron supplements a bit longer to help with your hair?
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 7,169Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    I haven't tried essential oils, did have a go with Jamaican castor oil which was hopeless. I am going to keep going with the iron, I had my levels checked again last week but haven't had the results yet. I've never noticed loads of hair coming out, it seems to have been an insidious thing.
    3b in South Australia.
  • MedalMedal Posts: 9Registered Users
    Fingers crossed your levels are improving, and your hair will follow too. The spiro could possibly be worth a try? I think I may try that next if I am not getting any success with finasteride. I understand your reasons for putting it off though, it may have some side effects. I worried and worried about starting both Rogaine and finasteride but figured out my hair loss was worrying me non stop anyway and I really had to try and do something about it.
  • MedalMedal Posts: 9Registered Users
    I had a bad day yesterday, at work I took my hair out of its ponytail and finger combed it through and ended up with what seemed like a huge pile of strands of hair, it just kept coming and coming :sad9: And I had washed it the day before (and lost loads then too). I am so depressed with it all. I am sure the stress of it doesn't help either!
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 7,169Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    I'm sorry that happened, it really gets you down doesn't it?I wear mine in a ponytail to work and never take it out while I'm there. For me though, it's more about not knowing whether I'll have covered all the thin spots when I put it back up again (I always check with two mirrors before I leave the house!). I never actually seem to lose that many hairs, I don't know where or when the loss happens/happened. Still having no joy with the meds then? I still can't bring myself to take anything.
    The other day I tried a different way of styling to get more root curl, it worked really well but I found I couldn't cover the thin spots properly as I usually use a fine-tooth comb to bring it all together and the extra curl meant I couldn't do it. So frustrating.
    3b in South Australia.
  • MedalMedal Posts: 9Registered Users
    Hi Starmie, thanks for your reply. Yes I am similar to you in that I get up in the morning, and get the first milestone over with, which is doing my hair. I always wear it up these days as I can't stand the anxiety of feeling my hair drop out all day long. At least when it's up I can semi forget about it!

    No, no luck with the meds I don't think. I will give them another couple of months then perhaps go back to my dermatologist and see if there are any other options. I was thinking too of getting some repeat blood tests done for thyroid and hormone levels, just to see if there was anything else going on.

    Do you find the condition of your hair has suffered too? Mine used to be quite shiny before the hairloss started, now it looks parched and very flyaway (some is new growth that I can't tame), and to add to all that I have very fast appearing grey roots!

    It is strange you not noticing any obvious loss. Have you looked closely to see if there is any regrowth?
  • floridaisyfloridaisy Posts: 4Registered Users
    [Newbie here]

    I've dealt with this for a long time too, and it can be so frustrating. I'm just now starting the CG method, and of course it makes my scalp much more noticeable. One good thing about frizz -- it does mask thinning! Haha, oy...

    It is a very frustrating and embarrassing thing to deal with. I think it's so important that women dealing with this speak up about it, so that it can stop being a dark, dirty secret and so that we can support each other.
    2c/3a // normal-coarse // very low density

    New CG as of 10 March 2014
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 7,169Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    My hair seems no worse condition-wise, it's never been particularly shiny, more's the pity! It is weird about not seeing much hair coming out, I think that's why it was such a shock when I first noticed how thin it was (when I'd been here a while I got a hand mirror to look at the back of my head as the hair never seemed to sit right, nearly died when I saw all my scalp - hair was wet at the time - and then worried about how long I'd been wandering around with great swathes of scalp showing). It would seem it had been a gradual thing and I hadn't noticed. I have a few little hairs poking up at my hairline, don't know if it's new growth or breakage, all grey - I have a few years on you! That's another thing, the grey is all on top where my hair's thinnest, so when the roots are bad my hair looks even thinner.

    floridaisy - hi, sorry you're dealing with this too. I know what you mean about frizz, it's always been the bane of my life (as was volume, many moons ago!) but now I've realised it's more of a friend as it makes my hair look a bit thicker!
    3b in South Australia.
  • coracora Posts: 456Registered Users
    Hi all, I too suffer from female pattern baldness. The last dermatologist I saw recommended a few things I thought I'd share. For a supplement, Biotin Forte with zinc, I buy mine from Amazon. She also prescribed Nizoral shampoo(2%). That was it, which was rather disheartening, though I'm doing both. I started these in January so I don't have any feedback yet. I've also read that a low glycemic index diet can help with hair loss, I still have to try this route.
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 7,169Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Hmm, wonder what the thinking is behind the Nizoral. I have some gathering dust at the back of the cupboard - unsuccessful attempt to treat my psoriasis - maybe I'll use it up. I can understand why you were disheartened by that advice though, I would have thought you'd get more from a specialist (even though there seems to be no cure for it).
    3b in South Australia.
  • KLinnKLinn Posts: 6Registered Users
    Hey everyone! this is my first post.

    My mom has had thinning hair for as long as I can remember. She's 48 and was definitely thinning while I was in high school, so she was around 34-38 then. My grandma is just now starting to thin out much more noticeably, whereas it wasn't as noticeable when she was my mom's age.

    I know that hair sheds but I'm not sure how much is normal. I don't know if I am losing that much more hair than normal (or it could be completely normal and I feel like it's worse because I've always been aware of my mom's hair loss). Either way, I do anticipate I will have this problem fairly soon. Is there anything preventative anyone can recommend?
  • coracora Posts: 456Registered Users
    Starmie, the Nizoral has something in it that wipes out the DHT on your scalp. I believe it is the DHT that is killing the hair follicle.

    KLinn, read my first post for tips.
  • curlysue62curlysue62 Posts: 13Registered Users
    If your hair is thinning you should try groganics!!!! It's a product that is made for thinning hair or for hair loss and it's really good!!! It's not too expensive, I'm pretty sure it's only about $10-$11! You should try it or look it up to see the results others got using this product! I really think it will help you, I used it a couple of times and noticed my hair growing so I really think it'll help :D
  • MedalMedal Posts: 9Registered Users
    Starmie, yes, the Nizoral is meant to help wash off DHT and also helps with inflammation on the scalp. I have used it a few times but not consistently enough to notice any benefit from it, either on hair loss or growth.

    KLinn, I think just keep an eye on your hair and if you notice any increased shedding to what is normal for you, or thinning on your scalp, then try and get to your doctor or dermatologist for blood tests. I haven't yet found any supplements helpful although I am trying a few.

    Can I ask how your mum dealt with her thinning hair and what you thought of it when growing up as a child? I ask because my daughters will notice my hair when they are a bit older and I just feel like they are going to think I look awful - ridiculous I know! I guess my self esteem isn't doing too well at the moment.

    Cora, let us know how you get on with the Biotin Forte and Nizoral will you?
  • KLinnKLinn Posts: 6Registered Users
    Medal, my mom used Rogaine (an off-brand) for a long time and may still be using it. I know she did use it consistently when she bought the treatments but did not use it continuously - there were times she didn't buy it probably because of finances. I'm not sure what other measures she took.

    I am sure it affected her self-esteem as it would for anyone, of course. She did not ever really talk about it. I think I noticed her thinning hair when I was in junior high. By the time I was in high school it was extremely noticeable. However, you could only really tell when her hair was wet. She cuts her own hair because there's no way she'd go to a salon with such little hair. It is VERY thinned out. However, she is lucky in one respect because she cuts it herself just about shoulder length and so it is above her shoulders when dry. It's quite curly and has a good amount of volume. When dry, I supposed people might notice it is thinned but it's not obviously apparent. I'm sure she thinks it's more noticeable than it is. She really is able to style it quite well to hide the hair loss.

    I know that she is most insecure when outside and there is wind or rain, of course. I never thought she was less beautiful. Seeing her with her hair wet was shocking at first when I became aware of the extent of her hair loss. If I hadn't seen her hair wet, I probably wouldn't have even known until I saw Rogaine in the bathroom cabinet. If anything, I definitely felt empathy for her and compassion. It's such a devastating thing and she was quite brave with her hair styles, cuts, and colors when she was younger so she had to go to a boring look that hasn't changed in all the time I remember. It does upset me that I will probably experience the same thing. I don't think any less of her though. She did not lock herself away until her hair was finished so she did not make me feel like it was a shameful thing, even though I'm sure she felt all of those negative feels that go along with such hair loss. Hope this helps.
  • MedalMedal Posts: 9Registered Users
    Thank you KLinn for your reply, that is really good to know for the future and very helpful. My mom has mild age-related thinning now (at over 60) and a thick head of hair at my age so I am not quite sure who this is inherited from!

    At the moment I have to watch myself with my daughters - they are only small now but I don't let them brush or play with my hair and then I feel bad. Sooner or later they certainly will notice. I would hate for them to experience this too. But if they do, I will be able to empathize with them.

    I'm waffling now. Thanks again.

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