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I can't wear deodorant anymore!

JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
About 8 Months ago I developed a really nasty rash under my arms. I had been using Dove deodorant. I switches to Degree and it got so much worse. By the time it got bleedy and oozy I switched to Neosporin, which only improved it a little. I cycled through and tried everything I could think of. The only thing that provided some relief and healing was Calamine lotion. It provided itch relief and dried up the oozing.

I spend the past 4 months healing and only putting Calamine lotion on twice a day. I stocked up on some natural deodorants that I have been using during the day for the past week. Still using calamine lotion at night because the stuff during the day is giving me a rash! I've tried using the Trader Joes organic deodorant, the unscented Crystal roll on, and the scented Crystal spray on stuff.

Help! Is there safer things out there? Am I destined to never be able to wear deodorant again? I don't even know where to go at this point...
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  • sheilacurlsheilacurl Posts: 1,240Registered Users
    Please tell us that you've been to a Dr. about this.
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  • JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
    I was getting desperate enough to go to the Dr, but then the Calamine lotion healed everything. I was 100% healed before I tried the natural deodorants.

    I don't have very good luck with my health insurance and am still trying to pay for the whole "go to the eye dr" fiasco a few months ago. To be completely honest unless I have a limb falling off I'm probably not going to go through the drama and time to go to a Dr.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    You should really see your family doctor or a dermatologist, the fact that you can't even use the crystals suggests something is still awry.

    What are you cleansing with, does that respect the skins barrier function? Are you removing the hair, could that method be irritating the area?

    Someone on Etsy makes deodorant based on coconut oil, can't for the life of me remember who tho just heard about it on a skincare forum ages ago.
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    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
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  • JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
    I've been using Aveeno body wash and gently exfoliating with a pad that's softer than a washcloth twice a day. Should I try something else?

    I'm back to shaving with the Aveeno body wash and that doesn't seem to irritate more or less. I tried waxing for a while there because I thought shaving might have been the issue. It didn't show any improvement. Although if I wax the hair will grown back softer. Maybe I should try that again...

    I've been reading today about making your own deodorant. Maybe I'll try some of those recipes. Then if that doesn't work I'll go to the Dr. Either that or I use calamine lotion as a deodorant for the rest of my life!
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Why are you exfoliating twice a day? That alone will damage the skin barrier, which keeps water in and irritant chemicals/ bacteria out. Ditto both shaving and waxing strip away a protective layer of skin.

    IMO trim hair with scissors, a stubble/ bikini trimmer or even pluck/ epilate at a push if that does not cause an issue, it irritates the follicle but at least won't strip away yet another layer of skin.

    Any sulphates or other anionic surfactants in the Aveeno? They are also proven to irritate and thin the skin barrier.

    Please don't use any DIY recipe that includes alkaline baking soda, that will certainly kill bacteria but further damage the skin. Stick with acid pHs or no pH (oils and butters do not have a pH only water based ingredients).
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    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
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  • JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
    Maybe exfoliating is the wrong word... I'm using a pad/cloth thing that is softer than a regular washcloth. What else should I be using to get the soap on there?

    I can try epilating. I use a hard wax (no sticky goo and fabric strips) so I don't think it strips a layer of skin... I could be wrong about that though.

    I can't seem to find the ingredients listed online for the Aveeno stuff... I'll look at the bottle tonight

    Good tips! Thanks! All the DIY stuff so far has baking soda. I'll search for ones that don't have them in it. Is witch hazel safe to use? Tea tree oil?

    I never knew that only water based things has a PH! Thanks!
  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
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  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Can you just wash with your hand, why do you need a cloth?

    If it were me I'd probably try a thin layer of straight up coconut oil which has slight natural antibacterial properties, if that does anything then add ingredients one by one. Witch hazel is astringent and tea tree is an essential oil so may be irritating to some. Depends on the current state of your skin really.

    The active in calamine is zinc oxide I think, that is bacteriostatic and calming which is why it was traditionally used in nappy creams. You can buy zinc oxide (micronised is the non whitening stuff in sunscreen, probably nicer to use), might look for recipes utilising that since the calamine has been benefitting you?

    Aloe vera inner leaf gel would be a good ingredient for healing/ reducing inflammation, but would not do anything to deodorise AFAIK.
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    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
    Looks like witch hazel has a very acidic PH (according to google)
  • JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
    FireFox, seriously, THANK YOU SO MUCH! I'm going to see if I can find a deodorant spray to make, since those seem easier to make and use. I will avoid baking soda and google the PH of every ingredient.

    Looks like amazon sells a micronized zinc oxide powder. :)

    I am going to take your advice and start with coconut oil and see how that reacts. I think I'll put plain coconut oil on over night tonight to see how that does. Hoping it won't be too messy.

    Will also start washing with just my hand and the soap (after I read the ingredients)

    Before I turned 30 I could use whatever crap products. :( I can't wait to see BFs reaction when I tell him I'm making my own deodorant! LOL
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    No problem: I really hope you find a solution, you don't want to be worrying about how you smell come summer (sure you are fresh but I bet it will play on your mind).

    My skin didn't get really sensitive/ eczematous until my twenties, my mothers not until her fifties other than jewellery (she cannot now use regular deodorant). I suppose we should count ourselves lucky that it is not from childhood, but it is frustrating and confusing.

    Diet does play a role in milder allergies - milder as in not anaphylaxis - it's worth going more nutrient dense/ anti inflammatory/ very low glycaemic index. Especially consider oily fish for the vitamin D and long chain omega-3s. I'm having random facial rashes at the moment for the first time since quitting sulphate surfactants a few years ago, which I suspect is related to my alcohol intake.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
    Skin rashes from alcohol intake? I cannot even express the sadness from that... I have been eating a lot better since July. That's when I discovered I had an issue with gluten and cut that out of my diet. Lots more fruits and veggies since I know they are safe and don't have to label read and risk a reaction.

    I'll look into taking a fish oil supplement. I'm not a big fish fan... The taste turns me off so I probably lack those nutrients. I should take a multivitamin and I keep telling myself I will look into it.

    If I had these allergies growing up I would have been screwed! My brother had blatant itchy throat swelling allergy reactions and nothing was every really diagnosed or dealt with. Just a benedryl tossed his way and he was told to get over it...

    This just makes getting older even more icky!
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    I really do drink far too much, as does my guy and many of my friends. The recommended 14 units a week is way less than I thought now I have started tracking! The skin is an organ of excretion so its health is linked to other organs of excretion such as the liver and intestines.

    The gluten thing may be relevant: if it has affected your digestive health/ caused or contributed to systemic inflammation that can take a while to settle. Ditto not having oily fish which is anti inflammatory and packed with nutrients. Ideally any supplement regime would be tailored to the individual.

    Avoiding many cereals/ grains can be healthy since western wheat based foods tend to be processed and pretty high glycaemic index (spike blood sugar) anyway. Hopefully you are getting minerals and fibre from nuts, seeds, beans and lentils?

    Sorry to get a bit off track, nutrition is part of what I do for a living (so YES I darn well should know not to drink excessively!!).
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Yes, I would avoid baking soda like the plague, it gave me a rash under my arms. Plain coconut oil doesn't work for me, but does for some people. Witch hazel has a small amount of a cancer causing chemical in it, which they say is too little to be of concern. Well, if you use it everyday, who's to say it's going to be "too little". I've tried plain ethyl alcohol and it works pretty well, but can sting if I shave. Some people say Milk of Magnesia works as a deodorant, but I'm not sure what the ingredients are. I've also tried vinegar, but that stings like a mutha, I wouldn't suggest that.
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  • RednaturalcurlsRednaturalcurls Posts: 1,814Registered Users
    Maybe you are washing too frequently? I have all sorts of skin sensitivities and I find if I wash too many times in one day it makes it worse. I wash my face at night to take off makeup but in the mornings I only wipe with a warm washcloth in the shower....no cleanser. It was drying me out too much, even with the most sensitive cleansers, and causing irritation. Same thing with rest of my body. I only use a cleanser once a day (aveeno skin relief). Otherwise just warm water. I have the same challenges with deodorant. Coconut oil works pretty well. I use it all over because of the moisture it gives me. Just give it time to absorb before you put clothes on as it can make a oily spot. I won't say its superb on its own for deodorant but better than clawing my skin off. Skin sensitivites suck.

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  • CGNYCCGNYC Posts: 4,937Registered Users
    My brother and I recently did some shopping together and as it turns out, he switched to Lush deodorant since he's started running (armo-something?) and LOVES it.

    I think the popular Etsy deodorant is Soapwalla. I haven't tried it, but I've been meaning to.

    Also, Aveno anything (except the packets of colloidal oatmeal) will make me itch like crazy.
  • JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
    I really do drink far too much, as does my guy and many of my friends. The recommended 14 units a week is way less than I thought now I have started tracking!

    How much is a unit? We usually don't drink much in the winter, but in the summer months that increases! It looks like we belong in AA in my kitchen! BF buys his beer in bulk so we have 5 cases stacked up the wall! In the summer he can go through a case in a weekend. In the winter the stuff is never touched. I'm a lightweight so a bottle of rum lasts me over a month during the same time.

    I probably should go meet with a dietitian. Allergic to most nuts, don't really like beans... I've been sticking to veggies, fruits, meat, and ice cream :) I think the fruit has a lot of fiber in the pulpy inside stuff. I've been doing a lot of smoothies in the morning for breakfast.

    Compared to my diet a year ago it's a huge improvement! I keep telling myself, baby steps...
  • JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
    sixelamy wrote: »
    Yes, I would avoid baking soda like the plague, it gave me a rash under my arms. Plain coconut oil doesn't work for me, but does for some people. Witch hazel has a small amount of a cancer causing chemical in it, which they say is too little to be of concern. Well, if you use it everyday, who's to say it's going to be "too little". I've tried plain ethyl alcohol and it works pretty well, but can sting if I shave. Some people say Milk of Magnesia works as a deodorant, but I'm not sure what the ingredients are. I've also tried vinegar, but that stings like a mutha, I wouldn't suggest that.

    I didn't know that about witch hazel... What would you recommend adding to the coconut oil? I saw that people were using vinegar and I just can't wrap my mind around it. I clean the kitchen with that stuff!

    Right now I think alcohol would really irritate since I have that fun rash back. I'll look into Milk of Magnesia. Thanks!
  • JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
    CGNYC wrote: »
    My brother and I recently did some shopping together and as it turns out, he switched to Lush deodorant since he's started running (armo-something?) and LOVES it.

    I think the popular Etsy deodorant is Soapwalla. I haven't tried it, but I've been meaning to.

    Also, Aveno anything (except the packets of colloidal oatmeal) will make me itch like crazy.

    Interesting.... I'll try switching soaps and looking into the Etsy stuff. I'll also look into the Lush deodorant. I do run and sweat a bunch. LOL
  • JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
    Maybe you are washing too frequently? I have all sorts of skin sensitivities and I find if I wash too many times in one day it makes it worse. I wash my face at night to take off makeup but in the mornings I only wipe with a warm washcloth in the shower....no cleanser. It was drying me out too much, even with the most sensitive cleansers, and causing irritation. Same thing with rest of my body. I only use a cleanser once a day (aveeno skin relief). Otherwise just warm water. I have the same challenges with deodorant. Coconut oil works pretty well. I use it all over because of the moisture it gives me. Just give it time to absorb before you put clothes on as it can make a oily spot. I won't say its superb on its own for deodorant but better than clawing my skin off. Skin sensitivites suck.

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    Thanks for the tips! I'm washing twice a day because it gets smelly... Hopefully the coconut oil will give the skin some happiness tonight :)
  • CGNYCCGNYC Posts: 4,937Registered Users
    CGNYC wrote: »
    My brother and I recently did some shopping together and as it turns out, he switched to Lush deodorant since he's started running (armo-something?) and LOVES it.

    I think the popular Etsy deodorant is Soapwalla. I haven't tried it, but I've been meaning to.

    Also, Aveno anything (except the packets of colloidal oatmeal) will make me itch like crazy.

    Interesting.... I'll try switching soaps and looking into the Etsy stuff. I'll also look into the Lush deodorant. I do run and sweat a bunch. LOL


    He does, too. I think that's when he started having irritation issues with traditional deo/antips.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Ten units of alcohol in an average bottle of wine, two to four units in a can of beer depending on strength - it adds up fast darn it.

    Congratulate yourself on the progress you have made and just keep taking baby steps towards a more balanced diet! Maybe add in seeds like pumpkin and/ or red lentils which are easier to hide in meals than beans? Also don't forget to have your natural dairy (cheese, plain yoghurt, milk). Oh and cocoa powder is packed with nutrients he he!

    There is a new recipe book out on homemade ice creams which are low sugar/ carb so less inflammatory. It is by the Marmalade & Mileposts blog author, and based on the Smarter Science of Slim 'diet' principles. It's the only commercial 'diet' that I think is decent.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    sixelamy wrote: »
    Yes, I would avoid baking soda like the plague, it gave me a rash under my arms. Plain coconut oil doesn't work for me, but does for some people. Witch hazel has a small amount of a cancer causing chemical in it, which they say is too little to be of concern. Well, if you use it everyday, who's to say it's going to be "too little". I've tried plain ethyl alcohol and it works pretty well, but can sting if I shave. Some people say Milk of Magnesia works as a deodorant, but I'm not sure what the ingredients are. I've also tried vinegar, but that stings like a mutha, I wouldn't suggest that.

    I didn't know that about witch hazel... What would you recommend adding to the coconut oil? I saw that people were using vinegar and I just can't wrap my mind around it. I clean the kitchen with that stuff!

    Right now I think alcohol would really irritate since I have that fun rash back. I'll look into Milk of Magnesia. Thanks!


    Some people use straight coconut oil. I can't, because it makes me smell more than if I had put nothing on. I guess it all depends upon body chemistry. The popular coconut oil recipe contains: coconut oil, corn starch OR arrowroot powder, and baking soda. Sometimes a probiotic is thrown in. Now, I will say that I did have some luck when I mixed some ACV with the baking soda to even out the pH, it didn't irritate my skin so much. I seem to have rashes or at last a few red spots when I use anything with baking soda. Some people are totally fine with it.
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  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    Baking soda gives me an underarm rash, and I don't have sensitive skin to speak of, so avoid it. I often use a spray of rubbing alcohol (70%) diluted with a little distilled water and then with some drops of EO added, but with irritated skin you don't want to use that. Supposedly coriander EO is a natural deodorant. Neem oil is also supposed to work, but it smells awful so I'm not sure what good it is!
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  • JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
    Ten units of alcohol in an average bottle of wine, two to four units in a can of beer depending on strength - it adds up fast darn it.

    Congratulate yourself on the progress you have made and just keep taking baby steps towards a more balanced diet! Maybe add in seeds like pumpkin and/ or red lentils which are easier to hide in meals than beans? Also don't forget to have your natural dairy (cheese, plain yoghurt, milk). Oh and cocoa powder is packed with nutrients he he!

    There is a new recipe book out on homemade ice creams which are low sugar/ carb so less inflammatory. It is by the Marmalade & Mileposts blog author, and based on the Smarter Science of Slim 'diet' principles. It's the only commercial 'diet' that I think is decent.

    Wow! Those units of alcohol would add up very quickly!

    Yes improving the diet is baby steps... I'll have to try pumpkin seeds and will look into red lentils. Have to go produce shopping today so it's good timing. I tend to drink a lot of milk with my morning smoothies sometimes they even have cocoa powder in them! This morning a blended up some ice, eggnog, and milk... Then told myself that it's way to ridiculous of a breakfast so I threw in 2 handfuls of spinach. Instant healthy, right? :lol:

    I'll look for that recipe book on amazon! Thanks!
  • JAJameson2010JAJameson2010 Posts: 123Registered Users
    So I've been epilating a little each night, hurts so I have to go slowly with that progress.

    Using the coconut oil at night and the calamine during the day. The coconut oil seems to make it less itchy. Although I think I will have to stop using that. I was putting it on last night, rubbed the excess on my elbows, then the rest of the goo from my hands on my front... Then it hit me. BF is allergic to coconut! Talk about a possible mood killer! :tongue:

    Any other oil that's almost as awesome as coconut?

    I'm still trying to figure out what recipe to use with my DIY deodorant. Many of them have baking soda... Maybe I will use a witch hazel base, but I have to find some unscented stuff locally.
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Baking soda gives me an underarm rash, and I don't have sensitive skin to speak of, so avoid it. I often use a spray of rubbing alcohol (70%) diluted with a little distilled water and then with some drops of EO added, but with irritated skin you don't want to use that. Supposedly coriander EO is a natural deodorant. Neem oil is also supposed to work, but it smells awful so I'm not sure what good it is!

    I did neem oil for about a week. It was awesome at first, until the smell just totally sunk into my armpits and my boyfriend started complaining lol! That stuff gives me a tummy ache, but it does work wonders for the pits. :)
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  • ZinniaZinnia Posts: 7,339Registered Users
    This may sound odd, but swiping the armpits with a thin slice of fresh lemon works great.

    Also, there is a milk of magnesia deodorant on the market that works for me as well.

    I alternate the lemon slice and MoM deodorant.
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  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    This may not help the deodorant issue, but I have some extra CG conditioners that weren't super for my hair lying around, and besides using them to shave, I sometimes use them on my pits after washing (then rinse off). I think it helps to condition the skin and "reset" the pH or whatever. Yes, it's silly, but the conditioners smell good so why not? Those in-shower conditioner-lotion things were popular a few years ago.

    I don't really use any sulfates to wash, haven't for years. Recently I was excited about the smell of some Korres bodywashes (w/ sulfates). THey were ok at first but sure enough started drying me out after a while.
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  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I also use lotion sometimes.. mainly overnight. So far I'm loving the Shea Moisture Baby ointment or lotion.
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