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How can I get my hair to be permanently straight and silky?

GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 22Registered Users
Hello everyone,

I know in a former post I said that I wanted to wear my hair natural, but I'm still insecure about that...

I've tried usual relaxers and thermal reconditioning, but I've never been satisfied with the outcome. After the treatments my hair was beautiful only until the first time I washed it. After that it turned really dry and fried-looking.
I always took really good care of my hair so I don't understand why it reacts so badly to the chemical straightening. I know these treatments always cause some damage, but why does it work for some of you but not for me? It has never been as silky straight as promised.

Is there anything else I could try? My hair doesn't even need to be pin straight, wavy would be perfect for me. Its natural pattern is 3b.

Thank you,

Galaxy


(Please excuse my english, I'm not a native speaker)

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  • ashlyndmarieashlyndmarie Posts: 211Registered Users
    I say learn to love your hair. Your hair isn't the problem its your perception. So do tons of research on how to care for curls and surround yourself with pictures of beautiful curly-haired ladies.

    If the chemicals don't do well with your hair maybe its a sign to embrace what u got.

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  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    You can't, any straightening is highly damaging and thus unlikely to leave you with silky feeling hair.
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  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 22Registered Users
    Ok, thanks for your replies :happy7:
  • BotticelliBritBotticelliBrit Posts: 2,075Registered Users
    I mean, I'd say to embrace your curls with the techniques on this site BUT it is your hair and you should be able to wear it how YOU want it.

    When I used to straighten my hair I used the Japanese Yuko Hair Straightening system. It's something that, of course, needs to be done by a hairdresser and there are a fair few in London that do it. The whole process, if I remember right, takes 4 hours, but the end result really was fantastic.

    My hair was SUPER straight and felt really silky and smooth. The effects are permanent, so you just go back to the hairdressers every 6 months or so to have your roots done. I had this done to my hair for years.

    However, just be aware this treatment actually completely changes the internal structure of your hair, so I won't say it isn't damaging. Brazilian/Keratin treatments temporarily coat hair with keratin to smooth hair, whereas YUKO reconstructs the protein bond and reshapes the hair to make it lie flat. It rebuilds the hair from the inside and completely alters the structure of your hair. The hair is then sealed in this shape so that, when you re-wash it, it will dry straight.

    Some people have said their hair looks and feels better after this treatment (if I remember right it doesn't contain harmful chemicals) and I have had good experiences with it. But, like I said, this does completely reconstruct your hair to make it straight, so once you have it done then there's no going back - you have to wait until your hair grows out!

    Do some research and see what you think :D
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  • claudine191claudine191 Posts: 8,220Registered Users
    I agree with both accepting what you have — it's an uphill battle to fight nature; but I also think BB is right: you should wear what you want.

    I would try to think about your reasons for wanting a particular hair type before taking any action. As a wavy who sometimes winds up with straight hair on especially cold, windy days, I personally find straight, silky hair a real drag. Still, it's your choice.

    I hope that whatever you decide works well for you.
  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 22Registered Users
    When I used to straighten my hair I used the Japanese Yuko Hair Straightening system. It's something that, of course, needs to be done by a hairdresser and there are a fair few in London that do it. The whole process, if I remember right, takes 4 hours, but the end result really was fantastic.

    That's actually what I've tried :(
    I had it done by a hairdresser in a - at least what I thought - really qualified salon. But it turned out really bad. Maybe the hairdresser did something wrong? Or my hair is just extremely sensitive?
    That's why I'm so frustrated. It made my hair look so bad I had to cut it down to my shoulders.
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    Galaxy wrote: »

    That's actually what I've tried :(
    I had it done by a hairdresser in a - at least what I thought - really qualified salon. But it turned out really bad. Maybe the hairdresser did something wrong? Or my hair is just extremely sensitive?
    That's why I'm so frustrated. It made my hair look so bad I had to cut it down to my shoulders.

    Yeah, so many of us have had issues with both treatments mentioned. One that comes as a surprise is that lots of folks realize stick straight hair isn't something they really wanted, once they have it. Society keeps sending impossible, conflicting messages lol: Curls and waves come in and out of style and if your hair is straight, it's often expected that it also needs to have body, "character". So out comes the curling wand (which may or may not be effective). Ironic.

    You can choose to go natural or not, with the understanding that nature tends to have the last word if you try and fight her.
  • BotticelliBritBotticelliBrit Posts: 2,075Registered Users
    Galaxy wrote: »
    That's actually what I've tried :(
    I had it done by a hairdresser in a - at least what I thought - really qualified salon. But it turned out really bad. Maybe the hairdresser did something wrong? Or my hair is just extremely sensitive?
    That's why I'm so frustrated. It made my hair look so bad I had to cut it down to my shoulders.

    Oh, really? That's crazy! I had it done for years and never had problems.
    Maybe it was the salon? What did they do to your hair exactly (like, what was the process they used?)?

    Then again, maybe you just had a bad reaction. Like you said, your hair could be sensitive. I know some people can have problems with treatments like that.

    What was the end result? You said it looked bad, but what do you mean? Was it not straight?
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  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    A keratin straightening might be able to 'relax' a certain level of curl, but it cannot make coarse hair finer nor get rid of kinks (where hair twists on itself and is fatter and thinner down the length, see diagrams on Natural Haven blog). These could prevent hair feeling soft and silky, aside from the heat damage.
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  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 22Registered Users

    Oh, really? That's crazy! I had it done for years and never had problems.
    Maybe it was the salon? What did they do to your hair exactly (like, what was the process they used?)?

    Then again, maybe you just had a bad reaction. Like you said, your hair could be sensitive. I know some people can have problems with treatments like that.

    What was the end result? You said it looked bad, but what do you mean? Was it not straight?

    Well it wasn't "Yuko" but a similar brand and the same treatment.

    At first they washed my hair and put some product in it that straightened it. Then they blow-dried and straightened it and used another product of the same brand. It took about 4 hours. My hair looked great right after the treatment but after washing it for the first time 3 days later, it turned really dry and kinda "fluffy", I don't know. A few weeks later it started to look stiff like a brush and really frizzy.

    Thank you for helping me, everyone :love2:
  • GotitorDontGotitorDont Posts: 26Registered Users
    Why don't you just go natural but keep your hair straight? Just because a person is natural doesn't mean they have to wear their hair curly. Curly hair doesn't suit everyone. To me it's the same as if someone is naturally a brunette but they go blonde.

    You really don't have to have a straightening treatment in your head in order to achieve straight hair. If straightening treatments haven't worked out for you then it's best to stop doing them and keep trimming your hair regularly until all of the straightening treatments are out of your head.

    You have a looser curl pattern so you may be able to blow-dry your hair straight. Or you can go to a hair salon to get it done. I spread oil throughout my whole head (especially the ends) before blow-drying and by the end of it no hair is on the floor :iconbiggrin: You may prefer to use a different moisturizer as I don't know if oil with weigh down your hair. Flat-ironing can be more damaging which is why I suggest simply using a blow-dryer.

    There's a lot of different products that can protect your hair from frizz. During the spring and/or summer, though, maintaining straight hair will probably get tough. As temperatures rise, you may find yourself having to re-straighten your hair a lot more. I keep my hair curly during all of the hot months, plus I swim a lot so straight hair is very impractical for me during summer.

    No matter whether you decide to start wearing your hair curly or you'd rather keep it straightened, find ways to work with your hair instead of trying to fight it.
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  • BotticelliBritBotticelliBrit Posts: 2,075Registered Users
    If it wasn't Yuko, then perhaps Yuko could work for you? Whatever you do, you should always have a consultation with the stylist beforehand and they should be able to tell you if your hair is in good enough condition, how it would work on your specific hair type etc.
    You have a looser curl pattern so you may be able to blow-dry your hair straight. Or you can go to a hair salon to get it done. I spread oil throughout my whole head (especially the ends) before blow-drying and by the end of it no hair is on the floor :iconbiggrin: You may prefer to use a different moisturizer as I don't know if oil with weigh down your hair. Flat-ironing can be more damaging which is why I suggest simply using a blow-dryer.

    Blow-dryers aren't as bad as flat irons, but they're still pretty damaging (it always makes me laugh when Lorraine Massey calls them blow-fryers LOL). Plus, I get what Galaxy is after; having to straighten your hair everyday or so can be a nightmare, take up SO much time and energy and be damaging. With 3B I can see that taking a lot of time to straighten (as someone with 3A / 3B I know this from experience). Plus a little bit of rain ... BAM. 'Fro time! Hehe
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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    I'm trying to respect that this straightening forum is for the collective interest of those who want to straighten. But the OP said she does want to wear her hair natural but is just insecure about it, like so many of us have been at the start of our natural hair journeys. Galaxy, want you to know I and a bunch of others here at NC, I'm sure, will help you if you want to bring out your beautiful curls.
    Curly hair doesn't suit everyone

    I question how many naturally curly people would think or say, "Curly hair isn't for me", if we didn't live in a society that heavily pushes Eurocentric, straight/blond hair so hard.
    No matter whether you decide to start wearing your hair curly or you'd rather keep it straightened, find ways to work with your hair instead of trying to fight it.

    But constantly straightening curly hair means "fighting" curly hair IMO. And constant straightening by any means tends to be more expensive in the long run, both monetarily and to the "health", look and feel of the hair.
  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 22Registered Users
    Korkscrew wrote: »
    I'm trying to respect that this straightening forum is for the collective interest of those who want to straighten. But the OP said she does want to wear her hair natural but is just insecure about it, like so many of us have been at the start of our natural hair journeys. Galaxy, want you to know I and a bunch of others here at NC, I'm sure, will help you if you want to bring out your beautiful curls.
    Curly hair doesn't suit everyone

    I question how many naturally curly people would think or say, "Curly hair isn't for me", if we didn't live in a society that heavily pushes Eurocentric, straight/blond hair so hard.
    No matter whether you decide to start wearing your hair curly or you'd rather keep it straightened, find ways to work with your hair instead of trying to fight it.

    But constantly straightening curly hair means "fighting" curly hair IMO. And constant straightening by any means tends to be more expensive in the long run, both monetarily and to the "health", look and feel of the hair.

    Thanks a lot, Korkscrew :)

    That was such a lovely reply.
  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Posts: 1,099Banned Users
    I mean, I'd say to embrace your curls with the techniques on this site BUT it is your hair and you should be able to wear it how YOU want it.

    That's how I see things, too. I love, love, love curly hair (I like other people's curly hair better than my own :D) but I also think silky straight hair can be beautiful, too. Everyone is different and everyone gets to make their own choice about how they want to look and what they want their hair to do. :)
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    I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


    All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier. :)
  • dixygirldixygirl Posts: 279Banned Users
    Thermal Reconditioning or Japanese Straighteners by ION worked really well for me. The ONLY reason I am natural now is to get ultra long hair like hip length and below. If that does not happen w/i 2 more years, I may just go back to either Japanese straighteners or try a BKT bc I am really not impressed by frizzy curls at all
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  • NayaMooreNayaMoore Posts: 60Registered Users
    There is no such thing as getting your hair "permanently" straight & silky, you have to be born with it...
  • dixygirldixygirl Posts: 279Banned Users
    They are doing some work in genetic modification pills for hair. I reckon it will be a few decades before anything like that is available. However, a Japanese straightener is pretty "permanent" because you only have to re do it a few times a year.
    OP, I read someone on here who said that no one should have to be unhappy with themselves, so imo if you prefer your hair straight, don't force yourself to do what someone else thinks you should do to your hair. That would be slavery to the wishes of others. Life is too short to not be happy. Just know, that no solution is perfect. Anything you do to your hair will require maintenance and upkeep on your hair and the more you put in, the better it will look!
    Best wishes and I hope you find the solution that makes YOU happy not someone else!
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  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    I, of course, think too that it would be great if you could totally embrace your curly hair but maybe you're not yet ready for that. Besides, hey, we're women, and we like change, period. So, if you still want to play with the straight hair there are ways to get the silky hair you want BUT you'd have to be totally committed to doing what it takes.

    I will start by telling you that I grew up in a country where people are still in great "curl denial" (even though the majority of the population has some kind of wave or curl in their hair) and hair was classified in two kinds: good hair and bad hair, so just about everyone followed the tradition of taming their curly hair to make it into "good hair".
    :-?

    One thing ALL women did, either at home or in a salon, was to get a weekly roller set; back in those days I believe here in the States that was basically the norm too. This would smooth out all types of hair to a more manageable state; even if one went for an updo at a salon the roller set was a basic step, years later straightening with a blow dryer would follow the roller set too because it made the hair straighter and more lasting. And if one was chemically straightened, the roller set was a must to keep the hair silky looking. It's in reality one of the least damaging ways to style one's hair, in beauty school it was considered "protective" and the best way to help damaged hair look healthy. You see, when done with damp hair, the cuticle is pressed shut and this leaves the hair smooth, bouncy, and shiny.

    So I highly recommend that you learn how to do a roller set. You can go to Sally's or even preferably an ethnic beauty supply and get a couple dozen large plastic rollers, at least 1 3/4" wide, and twice as many small hair clips or bobby pins. But first sit and watch a few videos on Youtube, such as this one here or this other one. And always use a rich LI before setting your hair. If you have a bonnet hair dryer you can sit under it to dry your hair or you can do this early in the morning and let it air dry as long as needed, just make sure the hair is just barely damp when you roll it, not wet, and it's OK to run a blow dryer over your head for a while to help things along.

    It was also a common practice, and some still do it, to wrap the hair after taking off the rollers, or at night before going to bed, this way you can keep your hair straight until it needs washing, which for some may be well over one week. If you've never wrapped your hair, there's also an abundance of tutorials on Youtube.


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  • dixygirldixygirl Posts: 279Banned Users
    I really like the suggestion of roller sets. I would just add that I find 13/4 inch rollers to be far to small if you have a little length to your hair. It will end up looking like a Ronald McDonald wig which is not a look I ever go for. I used to use like jumbo soda can sized rollers. You can use the small rollers if you are going to wrap the hair afterward. Otherwise it will NOT be a straight look which the OP requested.
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  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    My own hair is below my shoulders and the largest rollers I have are actually 1 1/2" in circumference, and my hair comes out pretty smooth. If the OP has similar length or even a bit longer, 1 3/4" should be fine because she's just a 3B, just a tad bit more curl than I have. But I recommended "at least 1 3/4" which means she could go larger, however, for a first try bigger rollers will only make the job harder and the results not necessarily better. The secret to a good roller set is to not wind too much hair in each roller so they can sit firmly on the scalp, but the larger they are the wider the parts for each is going to be...

    And honestly, I've done plenty of roller sets in my life and seen other people who've done them and I cannot imagine that with that size anyone can get the Ronald McDonald look, I am fairly sure the girl in the first video is using that size, or 2" at most, and her hair is at least like a 3C and you can see the results she got...

    The OP said in the last line of her first post "
    My hair doesn't even need to be pin straight, wavy would be perfect for me" so I think my advice is just right for her. In any case, I did add the option of wrapping so she can choose whatever works best for her.
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  • dixygirldixygirl Posts: 279Banned Users
    youre right I didnt see the videos. Those rollers look a very nice size :D
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  • BotticelliBritBotticelliBrit Posts: 2,075Registered Users
    NayaMoore wrote: »
    There is no such thing as getting your hair "permanently" straight & silky, you have to be born with it...

    I think you're being a bit pedantic! Lol
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  • CatitudeBooCatitudeBoo Posts: 525Registered Users
    I agree with Naya. The wording of this question doesn't make much sense, although I know exactly what you mean. Certain things we will never have unless we were born with it. If the thermal reconditioning/relaxers/flat-ironing/hair-killing is STILL not giving you the results you want, then it's not meant to be!
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  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    I do agree with that as well to a great degree. Even the shape of our hair is not the same as naturally straight hair, theirs is completely "round" but ours is from oval (wavy to curly) to flat (kinky), so no matter what it's relaxed with it's never going to look exactly like theirs, at least without some further "manipulation". Also, another consideration is that chemicals and/or excessive heat will damage the cuticle and even the cortex of hair, so we will have fragile hair that NEEDS constant intensive care and will react to the elements differently than healthy hair.

    So, even if one walks out of the salon with perfect-looking hair, once we wash it the first time we will not be able to do a straight "wash & go"... I used to straighten my own hair with a mild product (thick liquid, not cream) but I had to set it in rollers to "force" the cuticle down so it would shine and not have frizz, if it only began to air dry... I just had a ton of frizz.
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