CG Method Made My Hair Worse?

dinoRAWRSyoudinoRAWRSyou Posts: 21Registered Users
I'll make this as non-ranty as possible (no guarantees).

My hair was great before I tried CG. It was soft, shiny, tame, and a little bit wavy. After reading all about CG, I figured it would make my hair healthier and hopefully a little wavier. I started CG in April... my hair was always a mess and my waves completely fell out no matter what I did. I switched to mod-CG in August and my hair kind of got better; my waves started coming back but my hair still wasn't great. Not knocking the CG method, but it definitely didn't work for me.

I gave up on CG about a month ago (gone back to 'cones and sulfates) and my waves have returned and been stronger than before, but my hair is an absolute mess! It's dull, heavy, greasy, frizzy, crunchy and too soft at the same time. It's a tiny bit better but not much. I thought it would make it the way it was before but it's almost as bad as CG made it.

What the heck can I do?! I'm so frustrated because I just want decent hair again! I'm fine using 'cones and sulfates because my hair seems to like them better. Help!

Sincerely,
So Over My Hair Right Now

P.S. Ignore my signature, none of those products have been updated since I stopped doing my mod-CG routine
2A, sometimes 2B
Frizz-prone, low porosity, high density, fine/med thickness, high elasticity


Not really CG, but all the new products I buy seem to be CG
Shampoo: TJ TTT, Nature's Gate Color Protect
R/O: Nature's Gate Color Protect, Tresemme Naturals
L/I: Tresemme Naturals, Nature's Gate Color Protect
Current Stylers: MJ PSC, SM C&SM, Joiwhip, Tresemme Curl Spray

Comments

  • BluebloodBlueblood Posts: 1,748Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    There are a few people who can't use straight curly girl so modify it.

    I use shampoo but I try and ensure that most of the time the shampoo is sulphate free and gentle.

    As far as I can see the main aim of CG is to keep moisture in your hair.

    I suggest you use a clarifying shampoo followed by a deep conditioner then continue with CG. Then when your hair gets yuck again you repeat it.
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,157Registered Users Curl Novice
    Have you moved during this time? Has your water changed? Do you have hard water? Has your weather changed?

    To me, dull says buildup of some sort. Do you have a straight clarifying shampoo? These are clear without or with minimal additives. If not, I would get one. I love the Neutrogena Anti-Residue shampoo, and I hear the clear Suave ones are good too.

    If your hair is heavy, you are using too heavy of products for your low porosity hair. I have problems if I use products with too many oils.


    Get a good quality leave in. I know you said to ignore your signature, but Suave did nothing for my hair - just made it dry and frizzy.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • hippiechic81hippiechic81 Posts: 1,239Registered Users
    Don't feel bad if CG isn't right for you. I tried doing total CG a few years ago but it didn't do a whole lot for me. Then I went mod-CG for a couple years but then I just got tired of reading ingredients (which I have to do anyway because I can't do soy or gluten). Now I just do whatever I need to for my hair and it seems much happier. I think wavies especially if you have weaker waves like I do, CG and mod-CG might not do a lot for you. You gotta do what's best for you!! :afro:
    2a, fine-med. text, normal porosity (I think)

    [FONT=Going back and forth between Herbal Essence Don't Fade On Me shampoo and condish and L'oreal Sulfate Free shampoo

    Stylers-
    - Not Your Mother's Curl Cream, La Bella Sports Gel, Aussie Sprunch Spray

    [/COLOR][/FONT] My waves are finally getting stronger thanks to weekly PTs and longer hair in general. Still trying to grow it out though!:headbang:

    mod-CG since December '10

    I have Celiac's Disease so no gluten please!

    My hair is basically my hobby!!

    http://balancedbeauty.blogspot.com/
  • mustangbunnymustangbunny Posts: 1,033Registered Users
    I agree with the above advice to clarify. Even if it doesn't feel like you have build up you might. I thought my hair felt clean but my hair kept getting frizzier and after I clarified it was like new again.

    CG isn't for everyone! Do what makes your hair happy! :salute:


    Low-poo: Looking for a new one.
    Condish: V05 Tea Therapy, Body Shop Banana
    Leave in: Giovanni Direct Leave In
    PT: My hair needs very little. I use Suave Naturals Coconut when I need a little bit and follow up with a moisturizing conditioner.
    Styler: Giovanni LA

    Go Red Wings!
    :hockey:

  • 2BeOrNot2B2BeOrNot2B Posts: 133Registered Users
    I too had issues with the CG method. I was using mainly Yes To Carrots and Desert Essences shampoos, JCTS, and Marie Dean custards (a small amount when needed). My hair got really wacky...places of snarly tangled hair. I tried everything....protein (different types), no protein, different conditioners, gels, and sprays.
    I started using sulfate shampoo again and over the course of a few weeks my hair started getting back to normal.
    I still don't use silicones and certain proteins but I am now using sulfate shampoo.
    Moral of the story...use what works best for your hair.

    2a/b, fine/med. texture, med/dense volume, normal porosity and elasticity, dry, color treated.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Curly Girl method doesn't take proper account of hair properties (coarseness, elasticity, porosity), nor all the ingredients that can build up (waxes including cetyl esters, some polyquats, butters) or are harsh on hair (baking soda, soaps, olefin sulfonates).

    Actually what is referred to on many sites including NC as 'modified' IS true CG since sulphate free shampoos are permitted in the handbook. Also Deva have used silicones that resist building up (eg. amodimethicone) in their formulations. Lorraine Massey has been interviewed stating she is not anti these ingredients, they just weren't around when she wrote the first edition. CG is more flexible than many of us believe.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,065Registered Users Curl Novice
    Honestly it just sounds like buildup. I'd clarify with a sulfate shampoo (one that doesn't have stuff in it that can build up). Have you chelated recently? You could have hard water buildup. Check your products CG or non-CG for things like waxes, cetyl esters, polyquats, heavier oils like castor or mineral, heavy butters. Those can really buildup on some people and be more problematic for low porosity hair.

    On my hair, waxes or certain other ingredients are WORSE than silicones. Those troublesome ingredients can pop up in any products, whether CG or non-CG.


    If CG wasn't working for you it wasn't working for you..... I'm not gonna tell you to go back but it's unlikely the CG method ruined your hair. Most CG stuff should be gentle and can be "undone" (Ie conditioning, protein). If the issue is buildup from certain ingredients that can be "undone" as well with clarifying sulfate washes and/or a good chelating shampoo.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Y3ssi88Y3ssi88 Posts: 132Registered Users
    Yes I gave up on CG method my hair did not like it, I wash my hair with shampoo but I still use non silicone and non sulfate products..
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,065Registered Users Curl Novice
    Y3ssi88 wrote: »
    Yes I gave up on CG method my hair did not like it, I wash my hair with shampoo but I still use non silicone and non sulfate products..

    Non-silicone & non-sulfate is the CG method.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I agree with what the others have told you--chelating and clarifying. You may want to check your shampoo for Polyquaternium-7. It's common in a lot of shampoos. That's an ingredient that gives me build up issues (along with 4 and 10.)

    Greasy, frizzy and too soft at the same time (tangled also for me) sounds like what castor oil does to my hair. I need to use sulfate shampoo a few times to remove that (and mineral oil.)

    You could need protein. I know that tightens my curl and reduces frizz.

    No matter what you decide to do, it's still important to be ingredient savvy. You may want to tell us what you are using (list ingredients, so we don't have to find them.) That way, folks can give you better information.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Gaynor.SmithGaynor.Smith Posts: 4Registered Users
    I also feel that trying to do curly girl has ruined my hair. It looked great the first time I washed with conditioner only, but after that every time I washed it, it became more difficult to detangle to the point that I couldn't get my hands through it, even with loads of conditioner on it. As a result my hair has broken off all the way up the length, and particularly around the front of my forehead, and it's making me really sad. I dare say that didn't do it right, but I kept persevering because people said it gets worse before it gets better and to keep in experimenting, but now I think I'm going to have to have a drastic cut!
  • ExpectoPatronumExpectoPatronum Posts: 143Registered Users
    CG isn't for everyone, and that's okay. I can't go straight CG either, I think. I'm still unclear as to if using SLS-free shampoo is considered straight CG or not. Either way, it's okay if a method doesn't work for you :)

    I do think a good clarifying wash or two will really help out, as will a deep treatment that contains some protein. I think once you do a "hard reset" so to speak, your hair will behave better.
    :color: HAIR STATS & ROUTINE :color:
    2c/3a--medium porosity--medium density--medium/coarse
    Cleansers: Shea Moisture Scalp Detox Shampoo, wash ~2x a week
    Conditioners: Cantu Hydrating Cream Conditioner (RO,HG!)
    Stylings: SM Curl and Style Milk (HG), Camille Rose Curl Maker (HG!)
    SOTC: SM Curl and Style Milk
    Oils: Coconut
    Working with waves since April 2015

  • alex.esareyalex.esarey Posts: 34Registered Users
    I am totally learning to modify. This is my month of experiments! I finally realized earlier this month (THANK YOU CURLTALK COMMUNITY!) that I have hard water, so I can't go straight CG anymore.
    -2b/2c fine hair, easily weighed down

    Currently using:
    Wash: Deva NoPoo
    RO: Deva One Condition
    Style: Deva Foam & LA Looks Sports Gel

    Dry using a Curlformers Softhood

    Experimenting with Organix Coconut Shampoo and Kinky Curly Custard

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