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HELP! with the CG and volume issues !

Hi Curlies , so all begins when I start with the CG in January , all good but I cant see the big changes as all the curlies talk about here :sad5: , and then I look that my hair was straigh :pale::pale::pale: i almost die , Im 3A, low porosity, and in the crown and bottom now are 2C-B , Im really shocked , sad , and yes I cry a lot ....and for the worst now my hair is flat and when i said FLAT i mean it !!

:blob4:Please someone help me I want my curls back and sometime to do with the volume issue , i tried so many times , clipping , styling upside down , scrunching NOTHING works , I always was in love of my hair but now sometimes just feel to giving up and straigh it :-|

Thank U so much



3Acurls , low porosity , no-sulfate since september

Comments

  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    What products are you using? Have you clarified?
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • CurlySmilerCurlySmiler Posts: 43Registered Users
    What products are you using? Have you clarified?

    hi thanks for the reply : Im using a cream of nature free- sulphate argan oil shampoo and a hair milk for curly hai, thats the only 2 things that use :thumright: i dont know , what difference makes the clarified action and no I dont since i start , but when i stop in July i use a sulphate shampoo , is the same ? :)
  • LeanneMLeanneM Posts: 211Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Hi Curly Smiler,

    For volume, have you also tried clipping your hair at the roots? If I don't do that, my hair gets really flat at the top.

    Also, you could be using too much product, and it's weighing down your curls. What products were you using before you tried the CG method?

    See these sites for how to clip:

    MyDevaCurl | Calling All Curls

    DevaCurl. Style Curly Hair with Deva Clipping - YouTube

    Hope that helps!:flower:
    Mod-CG since December 2010.
    Hair type: NC: 2A; FIA: 2cFii; Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity
    Cleansing: CJ Cleansing Conditioner, Trader Joe's Tea Tree, or Deva No Poo
    Daily conditioner: Deva One C or CJ Beauticurls Strengthening Hair Cond or GPB
    Styling products: Deva B'Leave In + Deva Curl Cream + AnGel; or
    SS CEJ + BRHG; or AG: Recoil + BRHG; or KCKT + KCCC + BRHG
    Treatments: SS protein treatment or CJ Curl Fix or Nexxus Emergencee + CJ Curl Rehab

  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    It doesnt sound like you are conditioning your hair very much. I would pick up a good conditioner and put the hair milk on top of that.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    The biggest difference for me re: volume is diffusing. I just can't get that kind of volume of I air-dry.

    Since I have very fine hair, protein helps give me volume also, but may not be that helpful to you if you have coarse hair.

    Hope this helps.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Allyh128Allyh128 Posts: 9Registered Users
    Girl you need to clarify and deep condition! The sulfates can't clean up the silicones and buildup so everyone in a while you've gotta suds up!!
    2A, Highly porous, fine hair, lots of it

    PT- coconut oil
    Low-poo- shea moisture retention shampoo
    Conditioner- shea moisture deep treatment masque
    Leave in- shea moisture deep treatment masque
    Sealer-coconut oil

    Mbl trying for wl by summer :D
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    There are a couple of things I wonder about that I'm not seeing. Is your hair fine, medium, or coarse? Also, what hair milk are you using? It isn't possible to recheck the product ingredients for you without knowing that.

    Also, you should be cleansing, conditioning, and styling, and I'm not seeing any stylers in your routine, which could be a factor.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • sassylajan428sassylajan428 Posts: 14Registered Users
    Hi Curlies , so all begins when I start with the CG in January , all good but I cant see the big changes as all the curlies talk about here :sad5: , and then I look that my hair was straigh :pale::pale::pale: i almost die , Im 3A, low porosity, and in the crown and bottom now are 2C-B , Im really shocked , sad , and yes I cry a lot ....and for the worst now my hair is flat and when i said FLAT i mean it !!

    :blob4:Please someone help me I want my curls back and sometime to do with the volume issue , i tried so many times , clipping , styling upside down , scrunching NOTHING works , I always was in love of my hair but now sometimes just feel to giving up and straigh it :-|

    Thank U so much



    3Acurls , low porosity , no-sulfate since september

    I just made a YouTube video for lightweight and heavy products. My channel is Gigilajan. Also when your hair dries you can boost volume by separating the curls. My Hair Products - YouTube
    shampoo:Shea Moisture thickening shampoo
    Conditioners: Shea Moisture Anti-breakage Masque, Curls coconut curladaa
    Detangler: S.M. raw Shea butter Extra Moisture Detangler
    Styling products: S.M. Curl Enhancing Smoothie, curling soufflé & Curl and style milk

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2Fgigilajan%3Ffeature%3Dwatch" class="Popup
  • CurlySmilerCurlySmiler Posts: 43Registered Users
    LeanneM wrote: »
    Hi Curly Smiler,

    For volume, have you also tried clipping your hair at the roots? If I don't do that, my hair gets really flat at the top.

    Also, you could be using too much product, and it's weighing down your curls. What products were you using before you tried the CG method?

    See these sites for how to clip:

    MyDevaCurl | Calling All Curls

    DevaCurl. Style Curly Hair with Deva Clipping - YouTube

    Hope that helps!:flower:

    Hi !! LeanneM ,thanks for the reply , before the CG I was using a sulphate shampoo and the same hair milk that using now , I will totally check out the videos ,:p;-)
  • CurlySmilerCurlySmiler Posts: 43Registered Users
    sixelamy wrote: »
    It doesnt sound like you are conditioning your hair very much. I would pick up a good conditioner and put the hair milk on top of that.

    Hi , Really ? always that use conditioner ( and I tryied like 3 ,even the coconut form suave ) it makes my hair straigh , what U mean on put the hair milk on top , you said in the shower or just for styling ?

    Thank U so much curly :smilebox::p
  • CurlySmilerCurlySmiler Posts: 43Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    The biggest difference for me re: volume is diffusing. I just can't get that kind of volume of I air-dry.

    Since I have very fine hair, protein helps give me volume also, but may not be that helpful to you if you have coarse hair.

    Hope this helps.

    Hi girl , thank U so much for always reply my threads ;-)

    I wish that my mom buy me a diffusser, she is a straight lady (hair ) and she doesnt understand the volume issues that a curly have :money: , I have low porosity hair , the protein is a good idea ?? I dont tink that I have coarse hair LOL always flatten with everything:shock: :p
  • CurlySmilerCurlySmiler Posts: 43Registered Users
    Allyh128 wrote: »
    Girl you need to clarify and deep condition! The sulfates can't clean up the silicones and buildup so everyone in a while you've gotta suds up!!

    Ohhh ! really ? Thnak u so much , I dont know that , ;-) here in my country only exist the suave claryfing shampoo is that good girl ??

    And I have to claryfied once a month ? :tongue10:
  • CurlySmilerCurlySmiler Posts: 43Registered Users
    There are a couple of things I wonder about that I'm not seeing. Is your hair fine, medium, or coarse? Also, what hair milk are you using? It isn't possible to recheck the product ingredients for you without knowing that.

    Also, you should be cleansing, conditioning, and styling, and I'm not seeing any stylers in your routine, which could be a factor.

    Thnaks Morgan :p when I did the test reslts that I have Medium hair , but I dont think so because my hair flatten really really easy ; also I cleanse with a suplhate free shampoo , I dont condition because it makes my hair straigh and Im a little bit scare since the trainwreck from the CG and I do styling with a hair milk , What U think ? some conditioner that i could use , whats the difference to condition vs . not condition ?

    Sorry for all the questions LOL ....Thanks:angel13:
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I still think it matters what hair milk you're using. The most common reason for the problems you're reporting is buildup (which could also explain why CG was a trainwreck for you). I really thought my hair got weighed down by conditioner, and that gel was absolutely no help when my hair had buildup. It's really easy to miss things in ingredients lists, and it can help a lot to have another set of eyes read them.

    The difference between conditioning and not conditioning is largely that your hair can't hold moisture well if you're not conditioning, and if it can't hold moisture, which is necessary for curls to form, it won't hold curl.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    sixelamy wrote: »
    It doesnt sound like you are conditioning your hair very much. I would pick up a good conditioner and put the hair milk on top of that.

    Hi , Really ? always that use conditioner ( and I tryied like 3 ,even the coconut form suave ) it makes my hair straigh , what U mean on put the hair milk on top , you said in the shower or just for styling ?

    Thank U so much curly :smilebox::p

    You previously said this, so this is what I am basing my response on.........
    hi thanks for the reply : Im using a cream of nature free- sulphate argan oil shampoo and a hair milk for curly hai, thats the only 2 things that use :thumbleft: i dont know , what difference makes the clarified action and no I dont since i start , but when i stop in July i use a sulphate shampoo , is the same ? :icon_smile:

    I see no conditioner in that list. You need to use a leave in conditioner, especially if you are using some form of low poo. Have you done protein treatments? These perk up my curls like crazy. As for the hair milk on top, I mean use the hair milk after your leave in conditioner.. or skip it all together. Hair milks don't necessarily "condition" your hair.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • CurlySmilerCurlySmiler Posts: 43Registered Users
    sixelamy wrote: »
    sixelamy wrote: »
    It doesnt sound like you are conditioning your hair very much. I would pick up a good conditioner and put the hair milk on top of that.

    Hi , Really ? always that use conditioner ( and I tryied like 3 ,even the coconut form suave ) it makes my hair straigh , what U mean on put the hair milk on top , you said in the shower or just for styling ?

    Thank U so much curly :smilebox::p

    You previously said this, so this is what I am basing my response on.........
    hi thanks for the reply : Im using a cream of nature free- sulphate argan oil shampoo and a hair milk for curly hai, thats the only 2 things that use :thumbleft: i dont know , what difference makes the clarified action and no I dont since i start , but when i stop in July i use a sulphate shampoo , is the same ? :icon_smile:

    I see no conditioner in that list. You need to use a leave in conditioner, especially if you are using some form of low poo. Have you done protein treatments? These perk up my curls like crazy. As for the hair milk on top, I mean use the hair milk after your leave in conditioner.. or skip it all together. Hair milks don't necessarily "condition" your hair.

    I totally get it now ! thank U so much , What recipes of protein treatments you know , Please ?? Im Low porosity it that matters , i mean its bad if i use protein ??

    :salut::tongue1: Thank U so ,much for your replies curly :cheese:

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