12 year old boy dies from abcess tooth

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  • gekko422gekko422 Posts: 4,869Registered Users
    I read that article this morning, just heartbreaking.
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  • iris427iris427 Posts: 6,002Registered Users
    how terrible.

    It's also frightening that something like a tooth infection could become deadly like that. I know periodontal health can have wide-reaching consequences but I never imagined something like this.
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  • redheadfullofcurlsredheadfullofcurls Posts: 409Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    It's an atrocity.. is what it is.
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  • KaiaKaia Posts: 8,815Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    This is just heartbreaking, but at the same time makes me really pissed off! Our government really needs to get their priorities straight. They worry about those darned gays getting married, and meanwhile we have children dying from a lack of basic care. :evil:
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    That's just awful.
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  • iris427iris427 Posts: 6,002Registered Users
    Bailey422 wrote:
    This is just heartbreaking, but at the same time makes me really pissed off! Our government really needs to get their priorities straight. They worry about those darned gays getting married, and meanwhile we have children dying from a lack of basic care. :evil:

    Yep.

    I wish if our government were going to drag its feet on universal health care, it would at least provide universal care to all children and prenatal and postpartum care to women.
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  • yagottaloveyacurlsyagottaloveyacurls Posts: 5,766Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    omg! That is the saddest thing ever. :( :(
    I grew up in PG County, the same area he was from.
    ARGGGHHHH...this stupid country!!
    This country just doesn't care about it's people.
    That's all there is to it.
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,573Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Poor boy. That just makes me sick. :(
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  • shellibeanshellibean Posts: 4,500Registered Users
    Sad.
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  • curlicious3bcurlicious3b Posts: 458Registered Users
    Bailey422 wrote:
    This is just heartbreaking, but at the same time makes me really pissed off! Our government really needs to get their priorities straight. They worry about those darned gays getting married, and meanwhile we have children dying from a lack of basic care. :evil:

    I'm with ya there, curlie


    That's so sad!
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  • CurlyGina2CurlyGina2 Posts: 1,048Registered Users
    so sad :cry:
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,259Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    We have the stupidest government...

    Our government already pays for most of our nation's healthcare anyway...why not make it accessible to everyone?
  • fraufrau Posts: 6,130Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    what in the hell????!!!!!
    she had medicaid? she could've found a doctor and should've traveled her ass the whatever miles it takes for her to get some help for her child AND what kind of parent allows their children's teeth to rot like that?

    i cannot imagine the pain, i cannot fathom it, i couldn't even read the rest of the article because i know how painful a rotted tooth is. omg, i'm sorry i do not blame the government. if she had to travel to another state she should've done it.

    i am a former medicaid recipient and i know far too well how horrible it is to receive decent medical services especially if you live in the ghetto. it's like a cattle call at these doctor's offices and you're treated like crap. STILL, you have to perservere or else. i mean, no one is going to save you but you.

    it's just horrible.
    it is just a mess being poor and not understanding the system...
    you have to be a bit of a shark to make it work for you or else you're a victim.
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    frau wrote:
    it is just a mess being poor and not understanding the system...
    you have to be a bit of a shark to make it work for you or else you're a victim.

    I 100% agree with this. That's how I got out of poverty. The problem is, I think sometimes you feel so beatdown you don't know how to fight any more.
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,259Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    AND what kind of parent allows their children's teeth to rot like that?


    I was wondering how they got so rotted also. Even without professional dental care, 10 and 12 year old children should not have 6 teeth rotting out of their heads. That's just lack of brushing for years and years on end.
  • fraufrau Posts: 6,130Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    don't they still have those yearly things where someone comes around to the schools and demonstrates proper brushing techniques and they give away free toothbrushes and toothpaste?
  • RheannaRheanna Posts: 2,614Registered Users
    frau wrote:
    don't they still have those yearly things where someone comes around to the schools and demonstrates proper brushing techniques and they give away free toothbrushes and toothpaste?

    They do here.

    I don't blame the governenment, especially since she was on Medicaid. I blame the parents. 1) how does a child's teeth get that bad if their parents are paying attention and 2) there's just no excuse. None. Like frau said, you have Medicaid, it may be hard, but you work your ass off to find a doctor that will take you. Even if you don't, getting a tooth pulled is pretty cheap. I would find some way, no matter what, if my child was suffering...
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  • iris427iris427 Posts: 6,002Registered Users
    Rheanna83 wrote:
    frau wrote:
    don't they still have those yearly things where someone comes around to the schools and demonstrates proper brushing techniques and they give away free toothbrushes and toothpaste?

    They do here.

    I don't blame the governenment, especially since she was on Medicaid. I blame the parents. 1) how does a child's teeth get that bad if their parents are paying attention and 2) there's just no excuse. None. Like frau said, you have Medicaid, it may be hard, but you work your ass off to find a doctor that will take you. Even if you don't, getting a tooth pulled is pretty cheap. I would find some way, no matter what, if my child was suffering...

    I blame both. Clearly the mother was not teaching her children proper dental hygiene.

    But there are many nations as wealthy as us, and even ones less wealthy, that have found a way to make sure everyone has access to health care (regardless of whether that was the issue in this case). Why can't our government? Because our leaders just don't care.
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  • ChakraChakra Posts: 172Registered Users
    This is so sad.....Ironically I was going to post this...

    Go to www.electsusie.com to help children that have no healthcare.

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  • RheannaRheanna Posts: 2,614Registered Users
    iris427 wrote:
    Rheanna83 wrote:
    frau wrote:
    don't they still have those yearly things where someone comes around to the schools and demonstrates proper brushing techniques and they give away free toothbrushes and toothpaste?

    They do here.

    I don't blame the governenment, especially since she was on Medicaid. I blame the parents. 1) how does a child's teeth get that bad if their parents are paying attention and 2) there's just no excuse. None. Like frau said, you have Medicaid, it may be hard, but you work your ass off to find a doctor that will take you. Even if you don't, getting a tooth pulled is pretty cheap. I would find some way, no matter what, if my child was suffering...

    I blame both. Clearly the mother was not teaching her children proper dental hygiene.

    But there are many nations as wealthy as us, and even ones less wealthy, that have found a way to make sure everyone has access to health care (regardless of whether that was the issue in this case). Why can't our government? Because our leaders just don't care.

    That's true too. I've always been for universal health care, trust me. I've *never* had dental insurance, and I'm probably paying for it now. I've had to put close to 1,500 bucks worth of dental work on credit cards the past month or so. It sucks, but I have to do it. And you'd better bet I'd do it if it were my child....

    But yeah, I digress. This has nothing to do with me. I get tired of excuses from people. I grew up poor too. My parents pawned things to pay for stuff like this if they had to. Yes, the government is to blame partly, but the parents need to take responsibility. Either way, it's heartbreaking.
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  • internetchickinternetchick Posts: 6,191Registered Users
    I may be wrong, but doesn't the US have healthcare for all children? Maybe it is just Washington state, but I thought there was health coverage for all children.

    Looked this up before I hit post, and you can get free or low cost coverage.

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  • KCLKCL Posts: 1,663Registered Users
    I knew it wouldn't be long before some were openly blaming the mom for this one.

    Even if the mother was remiss with dental hygeine techniques, it's pretty clear that the child's tooth should have been removed EMERGENTLY as soon as he got into see a dentist the first time.

    There is absolutely no excuse for why it wasn't. None. Zero. Zilch.

    Beyond all of that, dental caries is strongly related to our god awful western diet probably at least as much as "dental hygeine"...and probably much more due to diet than brushing and flossing as people in many countries with more whole foods diets don't get carious teeth even without the use of our elaborate dental hygeine techniques.

    And if the kid was from a wealthy family, the situation would not have escalated as it had.

    You don't know this woman's circumstances or the circumstances regarding dentists who accept medicaid in her area, so it's a little unfair to be so judgmental.

    It's easy to blame the mom, then we don't have to look deeper at our fucked up system.
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  • MegaraMegara Posts: 424Registered Users
    That's just terrible.
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  • wild_sasparillawild_sasparilla Posts: 4,306Registered Users
    It seems like an old case of 'the squeaky wheel gets the grease' in that family, carried to the EXTREME and becoming fatal for the wheel that turns through the pain. This kid died because he was brave, his mother didn't have time for his dental needs (obviously not for the squeaker, either, with the 6 rotted teeth) and our healthcare system abandoned him, too. All horrible, horrible reasons for the poor child to die. :cry: :cry: :cry:
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  • RheannaRheanna Posts: 2,614Registered Users
    I knew it wouldn't be long before some were openly blaming the mom for this one.

    Even if the mother was remiss with dental hygeine techniques, it's pretty clear that the child's tooth should have been removed EMERGENTLY as soon as he got into see a dentist the first time.

    There is absolutely no excuse for why it wasn't. None. Zero. Zilch.

    Beyond all of that, dental caries is strongly related to our god awful western diet probably at least as much as "dental hygeine"...and probably much more due to diet than brushing and flossing as people in many countries with more whole foods diets don't get carious teeth even without the use of our elaborate dental hygeine techniques.

    And if the kid was from a wealthy family, the situation would not have escalated as it had.

    You don't know this woman's circumstances or the circumstances regarding dentists who accept medicaid in her area, so it's a little unfair to be so judgmental.

    It's easy to blame the mom, then we don't have to look deeper at our &%$@#! up system.

    I see what you're saying. But I guess I just disagree. I think people need to step up and take responsibility sometimes, too. We can't depend on our gov't for everything. It just doesn't work that way. It IS the Mom's fault, at least in part. It's easy to sit back and say blah blah blah about poor people - have you been poor? I have. We had no insurance at all until I was about 14. My parents did what they had to to make sure we were taken care of. They replaced their wedding rings when I was in high school. They had pawned them to buy food. My dad worked two jobs, sometimes three, growing up, so that we could go to the dentist when we had to. No, it wasn't easy. But if they hadn't bothered to care for us, you'd better bet it would have been their fault. People are so quick to blame other people now. And yeah, healthcare needs some SERIOUS reform in the US, but there just is no excuse. Getting a tooth pulled is under $100. And he had medicaid. The parents are to blame, at least partly.

    ETA: Also... I bet you anything that if that women called around enough, pleaded with enough people, she could have gotten her son's tooth pulled. Again, it wouldn't be easy, but he could have been saved. I'm not being judgemental... I'm being realistic. If you work hard enough, you can get care. If you want to sit back and let others take care of you, you'll, sadly, usually be left behind. People just amaze me at how much they expect others to do things for them, and to never have to take responsibility. I am truly sorry for what happened to this child; I'm even sorry for his parents. But I refuse to put blame purely on the government.
    JMHO.
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  • PeppyPeppy Posts: 3,290Registered Users
    I knew it wouldn't be long before some were openly blaming the mom for this one.

    Even if the mother was remiss with dental hygeine techniques, it's pretty clear that the child's tooth should have been removed EMERGENTLY as soon as he got into see a dentist the first time.

    There is absolutely no excuse for why it wasn't. None. Zero. Zilch.


    (Bolding is mine)

    Let me preface this by saying that I was a dental assistant for 5 years.

    Yes, there is an excuse for why it wasn't immediately pulled.
    If you have a toothache with an active infection and it IS pulled, the infection can spread into your bloodstream and can travel to your heart, brain, etc. and set up an infection there. The infection has to be dealt with before the tooth can be extracted. (Another reason for dealing with the infection first is because it's nearly impossible to anesthetize that area of the mouth where an infection is present....too much blood supply and it carries away the anesthetic too quickly to keep the mouth numb.) I'm willing to bet that there are probably people here who had to be on antibiotics before they could get a tooth extracted who could back me up on this.

    So if his tooth was infected at the first visit to the dentist, it makes perfect sense that they would have rescheduled the extraction and put him on antibiotics for the infection.

    When I worked for a dentist, there were several occasions when we called child protective services on people. The main one I remember: A little girl who was about 5 years old was brought in by her mother. They had Medicaid. I thought the little girl had a birth defect. One side of her face AND HER HEAD was abnormally swollen. It was so bad that I would have never dreamed it was from an abcessed tooth. I've never seen anything like it. When the dentist asked how long she had been that swollen, her mom said it had been about 2 weeks, but that she hadn't had time to bring her in. :evil: The little girl was very ill from it. Very lethargic. Couldn't talk. Had lost weight according to her mom. Of course there was little we could do other than give her some pain meds and antibiotics and schedule an extraction. We called CPS on the mom and we never saw them again. I always wonder what happened to that precious little girl. :cry:

    So yea, in the story from the original post, I lay most of the blame on the mom. You're just supposed to take care of your kids. Whatever it takes. And by the way, when I worked for that dentist, we did dental work on kids and sometimes set up payment plans that we knew would probably never be paid. So yea, I think if the mom really wanted to help her child, she would have found SOME way to do it.
  • PeppyPeppy Posts: 3,290Registered Users
    One more thing.....you can't be denied emergency medical treatment whether you have insurance, Medicaid, or nothing.
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    Are people actually reading the article? Because she did NOT have coverage and it took months to get her son seen. She WAS working on it.
    On Oct. 5, DaShawn saw Arthur Fridley, who cleaned the boy's teeth, took an X-ray and referred him to an oral surgeon. But the surgeon could not see him until Nov. 21, and that would be only for a consultation. Driver said she learned that DaShawn would need six teeth extracted and made an appointment for the earliest date available: Jan. 16.

    But she had to cancel after learning Jan. 8 that the children had lost their Medicaid coverage a month earlier. She suspects that the paperwork to confirm their eligibility was mailed to the shelter in Adelphi, where they no longer live.
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  • PeppyPeppy Posts: 3,290Registered Users
    Springcurl, I still think if his tooth was so infected that it infected his brain, Mom may have been trying, but not hard enough. I would have been at the ER every day if necessary. Medicaid or no. JMO
  • RheannaRheanna Posts: 2,614Registered Users
    Peppy wrote:
    Springcurl, I still think if his tooth was so infected that it infected his brain, Mom may have been trying, but not hard enough. I would have been at the ER every day if necessary. Medicaid or no. JMO

    My thoughts exactly. I do realize it was probably hard for his mother. I just don't think it's an excuse. I'd be damned if I'd let some medical red tape keep my child from EMERGENCY care.
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