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Frustrations with type 2c hair!!

ilaeocilaeoc Posts: 8Registered Users
Hi everyone---

So as you can see from my profile picture, I'm a type 2c curly haired girl, at least I think--I have a hard time differentiating between 2c and 3a because my hair is not thick and coily; it's very fine and sits flat on the top. I've read articles on this site on how to take care of thin curly hair like mine, and nothing seems to work! I've tried using no conditioner in the shower, I just use detangler now (Suave kids detangler--I'm on a tight budget in college). I've tried dying my hair but I use shampoos that are specifically for colored hair so the color doesn't wash out and that doesn't seem to help. I cut my hair to sit on my shoulders because apparently the longer thin, curly hair is, the more your curls stretch out and that's the last thing I want.

I've tried just about everything and I'm ready to just chop off most of my hair like a pixie cut because I"m so frustrated. I'll go a couple of days after washes and wear my hair up in a ponytail or a bun...is it possible I'm damaging my hair with the hair bands I wear? Should I be washing my hair every day instead of once every couple days? I'll leave a list of products/shampoos/conditioners I use if that helps. I just really need some advice here. Should I change shampoos, or should I just cut off most of my hair because it's so damaged from wearing it up on days I don't wash?

My products:
Shampoo: L'Oreal Ever Pure Sulfate Free Color Care System: exclusively for color treated hair
Conditioner: L'Oreal Ever Pure Sulfate Free Smoothing System: exclusively for unruly hair
Leave-In Conditioner: Infusium 23 leave-in conditioner (blue colors on bottle)
Styling Products:
1.) L'Oreal Ever Curl Sulfate Free Curl Care System: Silk & Gloss Dual Oil Care (it's a spray gel)
2.) Paul Mitchell Curls: Full Circle Leave-In Treatment

Comments

  • mandymaemandymae Posts: 150Registered Users
    I know what frustrations can be. After 6 months embracing the 2B/2C waves/curls, I feel more confident about the current routine I am using. My hair is normal thickness, versus fine, but maybe this can help.

    I do worry that you are not moisturizing your hair enough. I used to use more shampoo than conditioner in my pre-CG days. Now I mostly conditioner and though it took 6 months, I am really starting to notice the difference now.

    Something that has worked for me in the last 2 weeks is to low-poo 1x per week (I use Yes to Cucumbers, it is for color treated hair), then the rest of the week I co-wash. Spritzing doesn't work for me to get 2nd day hair. So on co-wash days, I use Suave Naturals (everlasting sunshine) to co-wash and then Tressemme Naturals Moisture Conditioner as a rinse out. After rinse out all the conditioner, I scrunch out extra water and then put more tressemme in as a leave-in. I have been detangling again upside down, scrunch with flour sack towel, rake in Aussie Instant Freeze gel, and finger scrunch. I tend to diffuse most days, but have gotten good results air dry. Then SOTC with a slightly damp flour sack towel. I have gotten lots of compliments all this week.

    My crown used to be pretty flat too, but I think detangling upside down has made a difference in getting more body and more wave definition starting at the root.

    I hope this helps. Good luck and don't give up. I definitely wanted to many times, but it does take some of us longer than others to get better results.
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Have you looked into the Curly Girl method? It really changed my hair drastically. Most of the loreal products you're using don't follow the method and have silicones. It's worth a shot! As posted above, the Yes to Cucumbers shampoo is sulphate and silicone free, and color safe. The matching conditioner is nice too, and can also be used as a cowash. You said in your OP, that you've tried NOT using conditioner....was this a typo? You absolutely need conditioner! Much more than shampoo.
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    ilaeoc wrote: »
    Hi everyone---

    So as you can see from my profile picture, I'm a type 2c curly haired girl, at least I think--I have a hard time differentiating between 2c and 3a because my hair is not thick and coily; it's very fine and sits flat on the top. I've read articles on this site on how to take care of thin curly hair like mine, and nothing seems to work! I've tried using no conditioner in the shower, I just use detangler now (Suave kids detangler--I'm on a tight budget in college). I've tried dying my hair but I use shampoos that are specifically for colored hair so the color doesn't wash out and that doesn't seem to help. I cut my hair to sit on my shoulders because apparently the longer thin, curly hair is, the more your curls stretch out and that's the last thing I want.

    I've tried just about everything and I'm ready to just chop off most of my hair like a pixie cut because I"m so frustrated. I'll go a couple of days after washes and wear my hair up in a ponytail or a bun...is it possible I'm damaging my hair with the hair bands I wear? Should I be washing my hair every day instead of once every couple days? I'll leave a list of products/shampoos/conditioners I use if that helps. I just really need some advice here. Should I change shampoos, or should I just cut off most of my hair because it's so damaged from wearing it up on days I don't wash?

    My products:
    Shampoo: L'Oreal Ever Pure Sulfate Free Color Care System: exclusively for color treated hair
    Conditioner: L'Oreal Ever Pure Sulfate Free Smoothing System: exclusively for unruly hair
    Leave-In Conditioner: Infusium 23 leave-in conditioner (blue colors on bottle)
    Styling Products:
    1.) L'Oreal Ever Curl Sulfate Free Curl Care System: Silk & Gloss Dual Oil Care (it's a spray gel)
    2.) Paul Mitchell Curls: Full Circle Leave-In Treatment

    I'm not 100% clear what you are unhappy or frustrated about. Have you clarified and chelated recently?

    If you are permanently dying your hair you need to use a proper conditioner containing the major emollients (fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants) to patch repair any damage - hydrolysed protein is excellent for both fine and colour treated hair. It strengthens, acts as a film former for shine and can boost both volume and curl.

    Other ingredients beneficial for damaged hair include coconut oil, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol. Products that incorporate several of these include Komaza Care Matani repair treatment spray and Scientific Essentials hair conditioner.

    If you don't want your hair weighed down limit of avoid silicones (suffix -cone, -conol, -xane), waxes including cetyl esters, butters certain polyquats, mineral oil/ petrolatum since these can all build up. Particularly so if you are not using a sulphate shampoo or one rich in cocoamidopropyl betaine regularly.

    I don't rate colour care shampoos and many do contain harsh ingredients designed to prevent or remove dulling build up. You are better off using a super gentle shampoo at pH ~4.5, cool water and limiting water exposure (less frequent washes, dry shampoo, skip rinse out conditioner).

    Yes tying hair up can damage it if you use the same style over and over, pull it back tightly, don't use gentle secures. Consider satin or silk ribbons, Spin Pins, fabric headbands, terry cotton ponios, scrunchies, Invisibobbles or similar.

    For root volume do all your washing and styling upside down and/ or root clipping.
    Root Volume for Curly Girls - YouTube
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • ilaeocilaeoc Posts: 8Registered Users
    Thank you for the feedback, I really appreciate it! I see now that going without conditioner is obviously a HUGE mistake. Also, maybe I need to buy new products if the L'Oreal products aren't a good option--I thought they were okay because they didn't contain any sulfates. Obviously I new to caring for my curly hair properly. My hair has only recently become curly in the past couple of years and I still don't know how to take care of it. :cwm10:

    My only concern with the Curly Girl/No Shampoo method is that my hair is too fine to do so. I've heard that that method is more for girls with thicker hair, and mine is DEFINITELY not thick. But maybe I should give it a shot...It can't look worse than it already does now!
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    ilaeoc wrote: »
    Thank you for the feedback, I really appreciate it! I see now that going without conditioner is obviously a HUGE mistake. Also, maybe I need to buy new products if the L'Oreal products aren't a good option--I thought they were okay because they didn't contain any sulfates. Obviously I new to caring for my curly hair properly. My hair has only recently become curly in the past couple of years and I still don't know how to take care of it. :cwm10:

    My only concern with the Curly Girl/No Shampoo method is that my hair is too fine to do so. I've heard that that method is more for girls with thicker hair, and mine is DEFINITELY not thick. But maybe I should give it a shot...It can't look worse than it already does now!

    People with thin hair are all over this board. Just don't use any products that are heavy, like butters, heavy oils, etc. You don't have to strictly cowash, you can do it a couple times a week in between a low poo. It will keep the conditioning level up, while still cleansing, but less often.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    ilaeoc wrote: »
    Thank you for the feedback, I really appreciate it! I see now that going without conditioner is obviously a HUGE mistake. Also, maybe I need to buy new products if the L'Oreal products aren't a good option--I thought they were okay because they didn't contain any sulfates. Obviously I new to caring for my curly hair properly. My hair has only recently become curly in the past couple of years and I still don't know how to take care of it. :cwm10:

    My only concern with the Curly Girl/No Shampoo method is that my hair is too fine to do so. I've heard that that method is more for girls with thicker hair, and mine is DEFINITELY not thick. But maybe I should give it a shot...It can't look worse than it already does now!

    Curly Girl method is not no shampoo that is a myth, Author Lorraine Massey's own Deva line even includes a low-poo (sulphate free). It is best to avoid or limit all anionic surfactants if possible, olefin sulfonates are also pretty harsh on hair and skin.

    Many fine hairs and wavies follow the Curly Girl method, some conditioner only, others low-poo or alternate. I personally co-wash since my hair is colour damaged, get my volume back with hydrolysed protein, upside down styling and some clipping.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect

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