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Am I the only one who doesn't like devacuts?

I had my second one yesterday and my hair looks exactly the same. I wasted $60 and that really upsets me. I don't have money to be giving away like that. It's the second time I have gotten it done and been disappointed. Plus, I always have to stress to them NOT to put deva crap in my hair. It doesn't not sit well with my hair but they always freaking insist on it. I think I would know my hair better than you! Ugh. I'm just so upset I lost out on my money again. I give up with deva and their cuts.
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  • MarixpressMarixpress Posts: 91Registered Users
    $65 isn't bad at all. It's going to cost me at least $200 getting my hair done in a New York City salon. Sorry about the bad cut though. :sad7:
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  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    For starters, it doesn't sound like you are going to a very good stylist, or one that even listens. Did the same stylist do it both times?

    I got mine done by a super awesome stylist, and she waived the first appointment for me, due to my intolerance to wheat ingredients and gave me a dry cut only without all of the deva products. The first appointment is usually $150, but she charged me the regular $85. She didn't put any product in my hair at all, and let me go on my way. It was a great cut too. Any good stylist will work with you. If not, I would run far away.
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  • WurlyLoxWurlyLox Posts: 4,858Registered Users
    I've had three previous Deva cuts with three different stylists and hated them all. I recently tried one more that I'd been eying for about three years because of all the very good reviews here, and I like this one - she's the only one who seemed to have any real training. I think the others only had that 1/2 day Curlabration thing where they just watch someone else work.

    No miracles or anything, but this is a good cut with a good face frame that doesn't drive me so crazy falling in my face. I actually wear my hair down the majority of the time now where before - with a non-Deva cut I liked pretty well - I wore it at least half up the majority of the time.

    After all the others, I always had all these scraggly pieces hanging down along the bottom, and I'd decided it was because my hair curls differently every day so that what was a good cut on the day they did it, wasn't on a different day with a different curl pattern.

    No problems like that this time, though, so it's not just my hair.
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  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    I've had it done by 2 different deva stylists. The fist cut the front too short so I looked like I had dog ears, and this one didn't really do anything. Don't get me wrong, she was very sweet, but the haircut doesn't feel any different from what I had before. Maybe it's just my hair that sucks lol. Where I live now is very rural so I don't know where to go next time.
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Yeah, I had to travel an hour or a bit more to get to mine. We have nothing out here in the middle of a cornfield. A cut is only as good as the stylist is, just remember that. It's not you hair that sucks :)

    I had a few stray pieces left on me as well, so I just took my scissors to it - that's the great thing about curly hair.
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  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    Lol thanks six. It's funny cuz I went from being in one of the busiest places in te country to like the total opposite... Well not total.... But def a lot more rural
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  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    That's so weird. Where are you at?
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  • sdkittysdkitty Posts: 358Registered Users
    My current stylist is doing Deva method and I'm very happy with her but I don't think it's the one and only method for curly hair. I used to have a stylist who cut my hair wet and she did a very good job too. And I had one before who was Deva trained who didn't do so well.
    As far as training, I called Devachan in NY and they told me everyone gets the same amount of training (other than maybe their NY salon staff) - like one day or whatever it is. So I think the difference is some stylists get the training and have a real interest in using it. Others just get the training and don't use at al the time, or some don't like it. I went for a consult with one stylist who had the training and didn't like using it; she prefers to cut wet.

    Anyway, whether Deva or not, sounds like you need to move on from this stylist since you're not happy with her. The good news is too little cut off is better than too much.
  • claudine191claudine191 Posts: 8,220Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I had Deva cuts and found the whole method to be a pia. In fairness, it could be because I'm a wavy.

    I did dislike them, though.
  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    I like my Deva cut(s), but the Deva products themselves...ugh. I was OK with him using them the last few times because I was a beginner and wanted to see his technique, but now I don't really need help in that department. I think next time I'll see if I can get the cut without the styling after. I'm pretty sure he'd be OK with that. I'd much rather go home and style it myself--as it is, I always want to wash all the Deva crap out as soon as I get home, but I force myself to leave it in for a couple of days since, you know, I paid for it and want to get my money's worth. :angry7:
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  • sheilacurlsheilacurl Posts: 1,240Registered Users
    You aren't the only one. I've also had a bad experience with a dry, curl by curl cut. I was left with stringy ends and an uneven cut. How are our curls supposed to fall in the exact same way, every time we style our hair?

    It's an over-hyped waste of money, in my opinion. Lorraine Massey also called it a "blow-fryer" in her book but then puts her name on a $160 hair dryer. What a bunch of crap.
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  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    Lol I agree Sheila. I think the concept in itself is a good idea but it's overhyped. Like stylists get the deva training but nothing else. The girl who saw me was very very sweet, but I think that's all she knew how to do. She was very passionate about it but I don't think she's ever ventured outside of their technique. Such a shame cuz we got along so well. Plus, I hate those deva products. She kept trying to convince me to try them, but I nicely told her no way. She kept pulling out different ones and I'm like "tried it, tried it, tried that too, hated it." Oh well. I thought $60 was a lot but apparently not :-/ anything to me is a lot since I'm living off loans though
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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    Skorpio, some Deva stylists are such product pushers because they understand that if someone with curly hair falls in love with a product line created for curly hair, there's a good chance that customer will become a loyal customer and insist on buying more of it each time they come back for a cut.

    Here's a good way of handling product pushers: tell them you are allergic to certain ingredients and you're still investigating which ones, so you'll stick with the products that you already know are safe, thank you very much. When they hear "allergies" and "safe", they will likely think "lawsuit" and quit asking. If they don't you can tell them you're "dangerously" allergic, and if a stylist keeps pitching s/he's a G-d***n sociopath. But if she cuts hair well, I'd still tolerate that attitude for a great cut ;)

    But personally I take the direct approach: When a stylist repeats a sales pitch I've already refused, I typically just say, "No thanks" and leave it at that. If they repeat it again, I say, "No thanks" again. Eventually they understand they're pouring a lot of effort into a cause that is going nowhere and stop. While they blather on I just think about other things - I make a mental grocery list or think about some hot movie star or whatever.
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    Lmao thanks. I never thought of the allergy excuse. That's very clever
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • Ms.CabernetMs.Cabernet Posts: 137Registered Users
    I've also had two devacuts (from two stylists with excellent reviews here) and didn't like them at all. Both times I left the salon with stringy, uneven and very short hair. And both times I had to go to a regular salon fix those cuts with a regular wet cut.
    Deva products are OK to me, although I haven't bought and/or used them in a while.
  • hambo02hambo02 Posts: 480Registered Users
    im not a big fan of them because the only cuts ive seen is the thinner bottoms of hair and the second layer being cropped up.
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Certainly did me a world of good. My waves were getting lank and blah. Got my first Deva cut and it's made a huge difference especially for days 2 & 3. Easier, faster. More consistent.

    Days leading up to

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    After cut lightly styled
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    2nd day hair after I did a full style myself and after an amazing weekend of great results too:

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  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I could actually tell before she was done with the dry cut this was going to be great.
  • greekgoddessgreekgoddess Posts: 459Registered Users
    I will never, and I mean never get a DEVA cut again. It was the worst cut I have ever had, and my hair is still growing out from it after 2 years. I know that people may say it may have been the stylist I have, which could be true, but I don't agree in the method of the cut anymore. I did at once, but no longer. I just don't think the cut is for me.
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  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I guess it's a personal preference on whether you want to have totally even hair or not. After my hair has grown out a bit, I can see why people may not like it. (I still am in love with mine though!) The hair definitely is uneven (when held straight) and it's taken me a little bit to get used to that, since I'm so OCD about being balanced. BUT.. it has been SO MUCH easier to handle and curls a lot more since my first one a month ago, and to me that's a win!

    I saw a really old thread on someone bashing the Deva cut. I feel like some people may not fully understand the cut going into it. I don't think that's the case with this thread though, but it's something I have observed as a whole.
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  • OnduleeOndulee Posts: 1,264Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I've also had two devacuts (from two stylists with excellent reviews here) and didn't like them at all. Both times I left the salon with stringy, uneven and very short hair. And both times I had to go to a regular salon fix those cuts with a regular wet cut.
    Deva products are OK to me, although I haven't bought and/or used them in a while.

    I also had two Deva Cuts in a row and hated both of them, I lost a lot of my curl because they shingled my head with 3 layers of hair, none of my hair clumps together anymore, its just all stringy while I grow out the last cut. I'm hoping that in a year, the last of the Deva cut will be gone so I can start over again with my Jonanthan Torch salon stylist who always cuts my hair beautifully. I wish I had never been wooed away to have the Deva cuts but once I did I thought I should have a least two to give it a fair chance. I'll never do Deva cuts again.
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  • OnduleeOndulee Posts: 1,264Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    hambo02 wrote: »
    im not a big fan of them because the only cuts ive seen is the thinner bottoms of hair and the second layer being cropped up.

    this is what happened to me both times only I got a super short canopy/top layer thrown in too.
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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    Some hair doesn't "like" a bunch of layers. So, from that perspective, venturing into Deva cut territory can be a gamble for some people.

    I recall my first DC. In retrospect, the layers were spread out a bit too much and what resulted was a bit of a disrupted curl pattern in back, probably because that's where my curl pattern varies the most. After experimenting a little, I realized there were 2 solutions. The first was annoying: finger combing and styling the hair in small sections. The second was something stylists often do anyway: after finger combing, shake the hair out a bit with w/the hand and then flip the head over to break up the sections of hair and "release" the curls.

    I think people with curls that are 3b/3a and looser are more likely to find unevenly spaced layers more challenging, because their curl patterns are weak enough already to get easily disrupted. And since there's some spacing btw. layers in most DCs, it's likely some of those layers will look stringier, while thicker and stronger curls will look "piece-y".

    Just a theory and I understand there are exceptions to everything.
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    This is random but does anyone have any suggestions to get ur hair growing back instead of just vertically? What I mean is, for the life of me my hair never can be pulled back. It always parts itself right down the middle which drives me crazy because it gives me pyramid hair and my hair is always in my face
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • Ms.CabernetMs.Cabernet Posts: 137Registered Users
    I feel the same way. When I style my hair curly it will always look like a pyramid, with Deva cuts or not. That's why I don't see the point of having a Deva cut if my hair's shape will always look the same.
    When I style my hair straight it lays in nice layers, that's a different story.
  • BotticelliBritBotticelliBrit Posts: 2,075Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I wish I could be part of this debate lol! Unfortunately in the UK I think there's only one Deva-trained stylist and he is in Birmingham (way too far for me to travel).

    Sucks, because I'm dreading where I'm going to get my next hair cut. I'm trying to look everywhere for salons that at least do a dry cut. Thankfully, I don't have to worry too much as I'm not due for a cut until around February.

    I will say this though - I'm not a huge fan of layers in my hair. And I've heard some horror stories of what they CAN look like, so I'm steering clear. At my last haircut, the stylist suggested layers and I looked at her wide-eyed. Maybe when my hair is longer I'll try it. As it stands though, especially with my hair length, I don't really see the point.
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  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    This is random but does anyone have any suggestions to get ur hair growing back instead of just vertically? What I mean is, for the life of me my hair never can be pulled back. It always parts itself right down the middle which drives me crazy because it gives me pyramid hair and my hair is always in my face

    Mine does the same thing.. parts straight down the middle. I wonder if you could clip it while wet in a way that it will fall back, instead of to the sides. I've been considering trying this myself.
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  • BotticelliBritBotticelliBrit Posts: 2,075Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    This is random but does anyone have any suggestions to get ur hair growing back instead of just vertically? What I mean is, for the life of me my hair never can be pulled back. It always parts itself right down the middle which drives me crazy because it gives me pyramid hair and my hair is always in my face

    Have you tried side partings? If you wash your hair in a side part and style it in a side part it should stay that way? Or has that already failed you lol?

    Also root clips are good for controlling how your hair dries / looks / parts at the roots!
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