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protein is making my hair less curly?

mrsjessepinkmanmrsjessepinkman Posts: 15Registered Users
Hi, so I'm pretty sure my hair is protein sensitive. I know my hair does not like keratin at all, it just makes it rough and dry, but vegetable proteins are a little more questionable. My hair can handle them better than keratin, and sometimes they do seem to reduce frizz quite a bit, but that might just be because they also make my hair straight! I have 2a waves that with products can easily be 2b, but protein makes them more like 1c. I've read that if anything, protein should perk up your curls. Does this mean I'm just protein sensitive period and should avoid all protein?
2a, medium, dense, low-porosity

APL- trying to grow out old highlights and then grow out to BSL!

shampoo: J&J baby shampoo
RO: Vo5 kiwi lime, Giovanni SaS
LI: ^
seal: jojoba oil
stylers: KCCC
DT/pre-poo: coconut oil, Jessicurl DT
supplements: gnc nourishhair

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  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Hi, so I'm pretty sure my hair is protein sensitive. I know my hair does not like keratin at all, it just makes it rough and dry, but vegetable proteins are a little more questionable. My hair can handle them better than keratin, and sometimes they do seem to reduce frizz quite a bit, but that might just be because they also make my hair straight! I have 2a waves that with products can easily be 2b, but protein makes them more like 1c. I've read that if anything, protein should perk up your curls. Does this mean I'm just protein sensitive period and should avoid all protein?

    What are your hair properties? Protein tends to work well for fine or damaged hair, much less successful on coarse hair. I'm not convinced by the simple craving or sensitive distinction, I suspect it is a spectrum - some seem to do well with certain types of proteins, or only deep treatments but not leave in conditioners or vice versa. Some need to always follow deep treatments with a deep conditioner.

    My hair is colour treated and porous, it seems to do better with protein within a conditioner base than the hard drying type, but not combined with other major humectants like propylene glycol or glycerin.

    Science-y Hair Blog: Update to Hydrolyzed Protein List
    Science-y Hair Blog: Mysteries of Hydrolyzed Proteins
    THE NATURAL HAVEN: Size matters : Protein Conditioning (part 1 of 2)
    Proteins: Why You Should Care
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • mrsjessepinkmanmrsjessepinkman Posts: 15Registered Users
    Hi, so I'm pretty sure my hair is protein sensitive. I know my hair does not like keratin at all, it just makes it rough and dry, but vegetable proteins are a little more questionable. My hair can handle them better than keratin, and sometimes they do seem to reduce frizz quite a bit, but that might just be because they also make my hair straight! I have 2a waves that with products can easily be 2b, but protein makes them more like 1c. I've read that if anything, protein should perk up your curls. Does this mean I'm just protein sensitive period and should avoid all protein?

    What are your hair properties? Protein tends to work well for fine or damaged hair, much less successful on coarse hair. I'm not convinced by the simple craving or sensitive distinction, I suspect it is a spectrum - some seem to do well with certain types of proteins, or only deep treatments but not leave in conditioners or vice versa. Some need to always follow deep treatments with a deep conditioner.

    My hair is colour treated and porous, it seems to do better with protein within a conditioner base than the hard drying type, but not combined with other major humectants like propylene glycol or glycerin.

    Science-y Hair Blog: Update to Hydrolyzed Protein List
    Science-y Hair Blog: Mysteries of Hydrolyzed Proteins
    THE NATURAL HAVEN: Size matters : Protein Conditioning (part 1 of 2)
    Proteins: Why You Should Care

    Right now my hair is a mix of virgin hair and highlights that I am growing out. I'd say my strands are probably medium thickness, and high density. Even my highlighted strands are very resilient and rather low porosity. My hair will get extremely dry and rough before showing damage in the form of split ends and breakage, to the the point that it's astonished my hairdressers, lol! In the past I've damaged my hair horribly and it was just an absolute mess, but breakage wasn't a big problem! My virgin hair is extremely resilient and difficult to break. Though I wouldn't call my hair coarse, it acts like coarse hair with how resilient it is. It is, however, very easy to dry my hair out and difficult to get enough moisture in it. Once there is moisture in my hair, I don't lose it easily. If I were to not was my hair for a week, my ends would not dry out. When my hair was more damaged they would, but now my hair retains moisture very well, it's just a matter of getting it in. I have noticed that I do much better with hydrolyzed proteins than others! Sorry for the novel I wrote ;) and thanks for the great links and your time!
    2a, medium, dense, low-porosity

    APL- trying to grow out old highlights and then grow out to BSL!

    shampoo: J&J baby shampoo
    RO: Vo5 kiwi lime, Giovanni SaS
    LI: ^
    seal: jojoba oil
    stylers: KCCC
    DT/pre-poo: coconut oil, Jessicurl DT
    supplements: gnc nourishhair
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Right now my hair is a mix of virgin hair and highlights that I am growing out. I'd say my strands are probably medium thickness, and high density. Even my highlighted strands are very resilient and rather low porosity. My hair will get extremely dry and rough before showing damage in the form of split ends and breakage, to the the point that it's astonished my hairdressers, lol! In the past I've damaged my hair horribly and it was just an absolute mess, but breakage wasn't a big problem! My virgin hair is extremely resilient and difficult to break. Though I wouldn't call my hair coarse, it acts like coarse hair with how resilient it is. It is, however, very easy to dry my hair out and difficult to get enough moisture in it. Once there is moisture in my hair, I don't lose it easily. If I were to not was my hair for a week, my ends would not dry out. When my hair was more damaged they would, but now my hair retains moisture very well, it's just a matter of getting it in. I have noticed that I do much better with hydrolyzed proteins than others! Sorry for the novel I wrote ;) and thanks for the great links and your time!

    Essays and novels are full of helpful information. That sounds to me like you have more than one hair type on your head, which some people have naturally, but highlights are a common cause.

    I would suggest clarifying and chelating to remove any product build up (silicones, waxes, butters, large proteins) and hard water build up, then have a hair analysis being sure to test different hair types. Once you know for sure what porosity and coarseness choose your ingredients and products.
    Pedaheh's Hair Blog: GoosefootPrints Hair Analysis with My Analysis Results

    You should only be using hydrolysed protein anyway, regular protein cannot penetrate they is too large so will just clog the surface or wash away. It may be only your highlighted hair will benefit from protein and you need to use heat to help it penetrate, the rest is too coarse and/ or low porosity.

    Wetting hair thoroughly should soften it because it breaks some of the bonds, that can loosen the waves pattern and perhaps make it feel less coarse. The only reason I can think of your ends drying so slowly is product build up, they should not be lower porosity than the roots.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • mrsjessepinkmanmrsjessepinkman Posts: 15Registered Users

    Essays and novels are full of helpful information. That sounds to me like you have more than one hair type on your head, which some people have naturally, but highlights are a common cause.

    I looked at my hair more closely, and this is definitely true, at least when it comes to thickness. I said I don't have coarse hair, and for the most part I don't, but there are a couple of really thick, coarse strands mixed in.
    I would suggest clarifying and chelating to remove any product build up (silicones, waxes, butters, large proteins) and hard water build up, then have a hair analysis being sure to test different hair types. Once you know for sure what porosity and coarseness choose your ingredients and products.
    Pedaheh's Hair Blog: GoosefootPrints Hair Analysis with My Analysis Results

    I will try that! Which ingredients should I look out for to know that a shampoo is chelating? Should hard water shampoos in general do?
    You should only be using hydrolysed protein anyway, regular protein cannot penetrate they is too large so will just clog the surface or wash away. It may be only your highlighted hair will benefit from protein and you need to use heat to help it penetrate, the rest is too coarse and/ or low porosity.

    Even my highlighted hair seems to reject it, it is not very damaged though. I've always been afraid of heat because I was thinking it could give me protein overdose, but maybe that's just what my hair needs. Could the protein sitting on top instead of absorbing be causing the roughness? I know heat helps a lot with moisture treatments.
    Wetting hair thoroughly should soften it because it breaks some of the bonds, that can loosen the waves pattern and perhaps make it feel less coarse. The only reason I can think of your ends drying so slowly is product build up, they should not be lower porosity than the roots.

    Sorry I misspoke. I didn't mean to say that my ends dry super slowly, just that if I don't wash my hair for a few days my ends don't seem dry and brittle. I don't need to somehow add moisture like many on here do because my hair retains it naturally. All my hair is like this, I'm just using my ends as an example as those are the most likely to dry out.

    And again, thank you SO much for all the help and information. :)
    2a, medium, dense, low-porosity

    APL- trying to grow out old highlights and then grow out to BSL!

    shampoo: J&J baby shampoo
    RO: Vo5 kiwi lime, Giovanni SaS
    LI: ^
    seal: jojoba oil
    stylers: KCCC
    DT/pre-poo: coconut oil, Jessicurl DT
    supplements: gnc nourishhair
  • pharaohpharaoh Posts: 156Registered Users
    Protein does the same for my hair. if I use hydrolyzed protein, wheat, soy...if turns it to straw. If I use amino acids or a smaller protein, I will have body, but no waves at all.

    I can't use aloe either...any suggestions?
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    Thanks for the useful links, Firefox!

    2b-3a med-fine low porosity
    Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl