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Really struggling to embrace my curls ... anybody relate?

I'm really having a hard time loving my curls right now. I am going from straightening 90% of the time and at least altering my curls with heat so they were consistent to all natural this week. I know there is an adjustment, but I just really don't like my curls and I'm almost embarrassed to admit it here ... tomorrow is another day and another attempt at figuring my hair out. It just feels and looks sooooo dry but I am low porosity so that's where I get confused. My layers are all different too with the straight underlayer that makes me just look messy and like I don't care.

I know it takes time to repair and I have a cut scheduled for Wednesday ... I just got to stick with it ...
Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer :dontknow:
Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
Styler: KCCC
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

Started CG 9/10/13

Comments

  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    A good curly cut is going to make a big difference.

    It can be harder to get moisture into low-porosity hair. A good conditioner (RO and LI) is going to help give moisture to your hair. Make sure your cleanser is non-stripping, and that none of your products have drying ingredients such as alcohol.

    If you were straightening (presumably with an iron?) 90% of the time, however, it is unlikely you have low-po hair. Maybe just dry hair.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    How do you know you're low porosity? The reason I ask is because the water test is notoriously unreliable, so if you used that method you may not really be low porosity. Heat damaged hair is generally higher in porosity. If your hair soaks up water quickly and also dries quickly, it's high porosity.

    Fine hair, and porous hair, too, can benefit from protein treatments followed by moisture treatments. You'll find that the longer you stick with CG, the more your curls will come out, but the damage caused by straightening can't really be reversed. You may not see the true nature of your curls until the damaged hair is trimmed off.
    3a/b, F, normal porosity

    Suave conditioner, LAL gel
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    That sounds more like you don't like your heat damaged hair than you don't like the curls themselves?
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • Wavygirl1Wavygirl1 Posts: 165Registered Users
    OP I can relate. I have wavy hair (2a, b on a good day) that is frizz prone. I wish it was either curly or straight. I am brand new to all of this too & still trying to figure it all out. I don't have much time to deal with my hair, so every morning I try to make it work & then just throw it up in a bun. Good luck to you!
    2a/b, med/high porosity, high density, fine texture
  • SaMmIe10SaMmIe10 Posts: 243Registered Users
    I wasn't sure but my hair floats in water and takes about three hours to dry, also feels smooth when I run my fingers backwards up it. But again it is also dry so I have no idea. It's confusing. Any thoughts?
    Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer :dontknow:
    Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
    Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
    Styler: KCCC
    Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

    Started CG 9/10/13
  • poxyfairyplumepoxyfairyplume Posts: 85Registered Users
    3 hrs to dry is pretty short. I think if you had low porosity hair, it would take much longer. I have med-high porosity hair, and when there's product in it, it takes about 6 hrs to fully dry. If i left it naked, it would probably take 2-3.

    I was a fellow straightener as well, and I also have the straighter underlayer, because my hair is short. I got my first curly cut last weekend, and it helped immensely! It still took a few days, but my underlayer is JUST starting to separate and start to form some small waves/curls. Definitely stick with it and get the cut, it's worth it! Nothing happens overnight, that's for sure.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    SaMmIe10 wrote: »
    I wasn't sure but my hair floats in water and takes about three hours to dry, also feels smooth when I run my fingers backwards up it. But again it is also dry so I have no idea. It's confusing. Any thoughts?

    The DIY tests have been debunked. Damaged hair is rarely low porosity, can be mixed porosity with the ends or canopy in worse shape that the roots. Best thing to do is look at how your hair behaves or have a hair analysis.
    THE NATURAL HAVEN: Junk Science - Hair Porosity Tests / Float or Sink
    Pedaheh's Hair Blog: GoosefootPrints Hair Analysis with My Analysis Results

    If you mean three hours to dry with product that is fast, either you have higher porosity hair or are not using enough leave in/ styler or both. Beneficial ingredients for damaged hair include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol.

    Try to think this is a change to healthier hair for life so a few weeks or months on the journey is nothing. It's the same as getting fit or losing weight: takes months or years to cause the damage and months or years to get back to where you want to be. Not many of us love our waves or curls from day one so we do understand, but many also didn't much like our hair before anyway since it was damaged or unmanageable/ unruly.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    I hated my heat damaged hair so I cut it off. Problem solved.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • SaMmIe10SaMmIe10 Posts: 243Registered Users
    Thanks for all of your input ... Will the hair stylist be able to tell me my hair properties?
    Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer :dontknow:
    Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
    Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
    Styler: KCCC
    Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

    Started CG 9/10/13
  • SaMmIe10SaMmIe10 Posts: 243Registered Users
    So I just got home from work and did a deep treatment with shea moisture anti-breakage masque for fine/thin hair ... plunked it on and left it on for a half hour ... I have NO idea if that is overkill or not.

    Cleansed with L'Oreal CurlCare Cleansing Conditioner although I am still not sure how much friction is enough with cleansing conditioners ... I tried to not be too rough while still managing to get clean.

    Then I did a rinse out with Nature's Gate Jojoba Conditioner .. I just found this for $5 at Stop and Shop on my way home from work, so I thought I'd give it a try. A friend with curly hair suggested Jojoba to me for my hair type. At this point I'll try anything and it wasn't that pricey. It actually felt really nice when I rinsed it out, so I used a little bit as my leave-in.

    I had some tousle me softly mousse by HE left over from a while back, looked like the ingredients were fine, put it in and finished up with Tigi Creative Genius gel.

    Plopped and now I am going to take out the plop and air dry.

    I feel like I am using a lot of products but I don't know. Any input?
    Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer :dontknow:
    Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
    Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
    Styler: KCCC
    Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

    Started CG 9/10/13
  • SaMmIe10SaMmIe10 Posts: 243Registered Users
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    This is maybe 80% dry four hours later with product ... I hate how my swirl looks balding!
    Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer :dontknow:
    Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
    Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
    Styler: KCCC
    Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

    Started CG 9/10/13
  • curlyink3bcurlyink3b Posts: 41Registered Users
    It's not just you. I've had a love/hate with my hair for, um, ever. Been battling with these curls for too long, and love them so much more now that I decided to just embrace and be nice to them.

    My hairdresser told me I have high-porosity hair the last time I had it colored (over a year ago). She said it's very porous and soaks color like crazy. It also pulls red when I color it, so I'm growing off the color.
    3b/3c, high porosity, fine strands but lots of em!

    APL/BSL when dry (bangs are to chin), but WL when wet.

    Pineapple and satin pillowcase at night.
  • SaMmIe10SaMmIe10 Posts: 243Registered Users
    I think I am going to try growing out the color too ... I started to do that in January of this year but then wanted to color it for my wedding this May, which got me back on the hair dye bandwagon.

    So my hair is pretty much dry now and I am so frustrated with the front of it. The rest is manageable, some waves are iffy but some are nice. The part that frames my face looks awful. It is really damaged because I think it is from having bangs that grew out, and I had to always blow dry my bangs to make them go the right direction due to cowlicks. So I guess I just have to let that all grow out .. maybe I can find some ways to pull back the bad damaged parts until it grows.

    *sigh* I wish I could go back in time and tell myself to stop wrecking my hair.
    Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer :dontknow:
    Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
    Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
    Styler: KCCC
    Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

    Started CG 9/10/13
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    SaMmIe10 wrote: »
    I think I am going to try growing out the color too ... I started to do that in January of this year but then wanted to color it for my wedding this May, which got me back on the hair dye bandwagon.

    So my hair is pretty much dry now and I am so frustrated with the front of it. The rest is manageable, some waves are iffy but some are nice. The part that frames my face looks awful. It is really damaged because I think it is from having bangs that grew out, and I had to always blow dry my bangs to make them go the right direction due to cowlicks. So I guess I just have to let that all grow out .. maybe I can find some ways to pull back the bad damaged parts until it grows.

    *sigh* I wish I could go back in time and tell myself to stop wrecking my hair.

    For damaged hair coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol. With the right penetrating products/ ingredients you may be surprised how well the damaged sections recover.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • SaMmIe10SaMmIe10 Posts: 243Registered Users
    FINALLY a good hair day! I used the "Ice queen method" and skipped the plop this time ... let my hair air dry for about an hour, then diffused ... still a little damp but my curls actually look a lot better than they have been over the past week. I guess I just have to play around with the techniques I use.

    The funny thing is ... I always thought going natural would cut down on my hair styling time ... lol. Seems like straightening was faster! It will be worth it though for healthier hair.
    Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer :dontknow:
    Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
    Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
    Styler: KCCC
    Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

    Started CG 9/10/13
  • SuzyQ3SuzyQ3 Posts: 52Registered Users
    SaMmIe10 wrote: »
    I think I am going to try growing out the color too ... I started to do that in January of this year but then wanted to color it for my wedding this May, which got me back on the hair dye bandwagon.

    So my hair is pretty much dry now and I am so frustrated with the front of it. The rest is manageable, some waves are iffy but some are nice. The part that frames my face looks awful. It is really damaged because I think it is from having bangs that grew out, and I had to always blow dry my bangs to make them go the right direction due to cowlicks. So I guess I just have to let that all grow out .. maybe I can find some ways to pull back the bad damaged parts until it grows.

    *sigh* I wish I could go back in time and tell myself to stop wrecking my hair.

    For damaged hair coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol. With the right penetrating products/ ingredients you may be surprised how well the damaged sections recover.

    A question about coconut oil: I bought Trader Joe's unrefined coconut oil and tried it yesterday. I applied it all over and let it sit on my hair for at least an hour.

    I had a heck of a time getting it out of my hair. I used Curl Junkie shampoo twice. After I applied a styling product (CJ Curls in a Bottle) and let my hair air dry, it was still greasy in parts.

    I'm not sure about using it again now. Any thoughts?
  • MirCurlsMirCurls Posts: 2,660Registered Users
    curlyink3b wrote: »
    It's not just you. I've had a love/hate with my hair for, um, ever. Been battling with these curls for too long, and love them so much more now that I decided to just embrace and be nice to them.

    My hairdresser told me I have high-porosity hair the last time I had it colored (over a year ago). She said it's very porous and soaks color like crazy. It also pulls red when I color it, so I'm growing off the color.

    My hair properties changed when I went natural and took better care of it. It used to be very porous and man, could I take color in and cover those greys. Now, to get color into my hair is tougher to cover grey. And before, my hair would soak fast, dry fast, and the hairs that I'd pull off the shower drain just were sopping wet and would stick to the shower wall. And it would dry FAST, I'd have to keep wetting it when stylilng.

    Now, my hair takes longer to soak, and the "shower drain" hairs are fluffy and hardly stick to the shower wall when tossed.

    The curl pattern changed with the hair properties, too. I don't have the ringlets like I used to, and it's looser curls and some formerly very curly parts (where it was 3b) are almost 2-something.

    Weird. :) But I did radically change how I treated my hair over the last almost-4 years and I radically changed my diet. It impacts.
    3a3b
    Natural since 11/25/09
    Then: fine, superdry, non-elastic, porous
    Now: medium, dry, elastic, lower porosity, BSL

    Curl Junkie Conditions!
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    ~CJ Protein Tx
    ; BEE-U-Ti-Ful Deep Condish
    ~SMasters Method; Pixie-curling
    Dumped clumps for VOLUME!

    Marchioness Mir, Magister of Moisturization & Mystic of the Lofty Crown in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users
    One way to deal with the bangs, is to take a small section from underneath, over toward the side, twist it lightly, bring it back so that it's in front of and over the rest of your bangs, and bobby pin it with the pin under your hair. It looks really natural, and isn't at all obvious because all people see is the hair.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008