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FSG let me down today

Oh, how I love my FSG! It's just 400 ml water to 4 tbsp flaxseeds and 1/2 tsp honey added and generally speaking this works miracles for my hair. I still have not come to making big batches, so I planned ahead and made a fresh batch just last Wednesday evening since I needed a good hair day today for a cremation. I think it's very respectful to look neat on such an occasion.

So this morning I went through my more elaborate routine, wetting my hair in the shower, using a conditioner and all. But when the time came to apply FSG and I put a glob on my hand, I noticed the smell. I noticed the flecks. It had gone bad whereas they were brand new flaxseeds and it came right out of the fridge where it has been since I made it last Wednesday. This has never occurred before; my FSG normally lasts well over a week, and even two weeks are no problem if properly refrigerated.

I'm disappointed and while I will continue making and using FSG, I really do want to have another styling product at hand when something like this happens again, even if I do freeze the bigger batches in the future.

I've stumbled upon the Garnier Fructis Pure Clean Gel thread, and it sounds very promising. I suspect this product will be available in the Netherlands at a reasonable price so I'm curious to hear whether it meets my expectations of a styling product and if not, what else I should definitely consider.

A styling product should:
- Provide some definition
- And a little hold
- Frizz is not an issue for me
- Polyquats and cones are
- It should be light (my hair gets weighed down easily)
- It should not need layering

Any thoughts on the GF gel or other recommendations are welcome!
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number

Comments

  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    I'd invest in a preservative! If your FSG got to the point that it smelled off and had flecks, there were probably things growing in it long before that. I know that my first batch, with no preservatives, smelled off after 3 days at about 62 degrees.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Use a preservative, mucilage plus honey plus water is serious food for microbes.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Do you have any suggestions as to what preservatives I should use?
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • curlytwirlykatecurlytwirlykate Posts: 142Registered Users
    Wow, Laura! Same story here (except for the cremation part... I'm very sorry for your loss!).

    I'm REALLY interested in preservatives, also. My FSG is my holy grail, but it's been so hot around here and the gel is going bad much too quickly for my liking. Any suggestions, wonderful community?!
    3A/2C | fine | high-po length, low-po roots | medium density | shoulder-length

    Shower Time!
    Treat: EVCO
    Co-Wash: DE Unscented Condish with added lavender and tea tree EOs
    Condish: DE Coconut Condish with added local honey

    Styling
    After Shower: Homemade FSG with added gelatine

    + bi-weekly protein DIY treatments (gelatin and egg yolk)
    + mindful nutrition
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Laura, do you refrigerate your FSG? I'm surprised it went bad so quickly. Maybe the seeds had spoiled? I put mine in the fridge but I add lavender, vitamin e oil and AVG as natural preservatives. It's good for 2-3 weeks.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    @Kate: Thank you. And it's frustrating, isn't it? I could last for a week with one batch, easily! Now I have to make two batches a week and quite honestly, I don't really have time to do that, even though it's not an arduously long task.

    @Dusa: Yes, I refrigerate the moment my FSG has cooled down quite a bit.

    @chupie: Thanks for the link! That's actually the website I got the recipe from (though I never went beyond the basic recipe...).
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Maybe it's a 'dirty' batch of seeds, you might soak them briefly in a drying alcohol before boiling them up in a clean pan with clean water.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    This may help you with preservatives: Science-y Hair Blog: Preserving Your Homemade Hair Gels

    There are some bacteria and fungi that won't be killed by boiling (that's why we pressure-can non-acid foods - to get a temperature above boiling), but it's more likely it was contaminated after preparation. Here's more about that: Science-y Hair Blog: When Good Bottles Go Bad

    Also be sure you wipe down surfaces with bleach solution or isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol to be as sterile as possible. At first it seems like a hassle, but it becomes second-nature quickly. I keep a cleaned-out dish soap bottle with pre-mixed bleach solution on the kitchen counter to make things easier.
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    IAgirl wrote: »
    Also be sure you wipe down surfaces with bleach solution or isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol to be as sterile as possible. At first it seems like a hassle, but it becomes second-nature quickly. I keep a cleaned-out dish soap bottle with pre-mixed bleach solution on the kitchen counter to make things easier.

    This is a stupid question, but after you wipe down your surfaces/containers with bleach or alcohol, do you rinse them off or just dry them?
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    IAgirl wrote: »
    Also be sure you wipe down surfaces with bleach solution or isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol to be as sterile as possible. At first it seems like a hassle, but it becomes second-nature quickly. I keep a cleaned-out dish soap bottle with pre-mixed bleach solution on the kitchen counter to make things easier.

    This is a stupid question, but after you wipe down your surfaces/containers with bleach or alcohol, do you rinse them off or just dry them?

    Wipe dry (fresh disposable paper) or air dry, if you wet or use a reusable cloth you have contaminated the equipment again.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    IAgirl wrote: »
    Also be sure you wipe down surfaces with bleach solution or isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol to be as sterile as possible. At first it seems like a hassle, but it becomes second-nature quickly. I keep a cleaned-out dish soap bottle with pre-mixed bleach solution on the kitchen counter to make things easier.

    This is a stupid question, but after you wipe down your surfaces/containers with bleach or alcohol, do you rinse them off or just dry them?

    Wipe dry (fresh disposable paper) or air dry, if you wet or use a reusable cloth you have contaminated the equipment again.

    Ok, but then wouldn't there be traces of the bleach/alcohol in your FSG, or would the amounts be negligible?
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I think alcohol evaporates really fast.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    Ok, but then wouldn't there be traces of the bleach/alcohol in your FSG, or would the amounts be negligible?

    Alcohol evaporates completely as Chupie says, the amount of bleach left if you wipe over would be negligible as you say.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Thanks for all the input! The links are definitely useful, but I'm surprised about the ingredients... I have no clue where to get them!
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • CurliniCurlini Posts: 258Registered Users
    Medium Texture/Normal Porosity
    Conditioners: Curl Junkie conditioners, Elucence moisture balancing, Darcy's pumpkin seed, Mop Top Daily
    Gels: CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ Curl Queen, UFDCM, Mop Top Curly Custard, KCCC (wish it didn't take so long to dry!), CJ Aloe Fix Lite
    Weekly PT (CJ Repair Me) & DT
    Icequeen method
    CG since Aug. 08, still a lot to learn

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    Late to the party here - sorry. Surfaces can air-dry. I wipe down my utensils and containers for mixing with alcohol and put them on a dry paper towel as a "clean" surface.
    When you clean out a bottle with bleach solution or rubbing alcohol, follow up with a rinse with either distilled water or water you have brought to a boil (to kill bacteria) and then let cool enough so it won't melt your bottle. Then turn it upside-down to let the water drip out. I usually have to rinse 2-3 times to get all the bleach etc. out.
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users
    Is that just for bottles you can't wipe? I use glass Mason jars and I just wipe with an alcohol soaked cotton ball and let air dry. Do I need to rinse that?
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    An open-mouth jar sterilized with alcohol doesn't need rinsing. You inspired me to try Mason jars for FSG - and I like them!
    The alcohol evaporates. But any narrow-mouth plastic bottle that you can't get all the alcohol out of (or if you used bleach) needs rinsing. I like bleach better for plastics.
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users
    I divide my batch into several 4 oz jars and all but one goes into the back of the fridge. Only the current jar comes in and out and gets touched. I think it helps the batch stay fresher that way. I use my whole batch in 2 weeks.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285