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Type 2 realizations or Ah ha moments

KatMackKatMack Posts: 60Registered Users
If there is already a topic similar to this I didn't find it, at least not a recent one.

I'd like to start a topic where we say what our "ah ha moments" were with our hair. Like what realizations have helped you the most with your hair, either through making it curl better, or just you being overall more happy with it. Maybe this can help others with a new perspective or idea that they haven't considered trying yet. (That and I'm just happy I'm finally having more days that I'm happy or at least comfortable with my hair than not and I want to share)

Here are mine (ymmv):
-My hair does not like do be washed or styled upside down. It gives some pretty spots and some really not pretty spots. I like consistency. And I seem to shed a lot more upside down.

-style my hair right side up, once I get it how I want it to look wet I can plop and air dry or plop and diffuse.

- rake products through IN shower, with the water still going, just step out of the water. It helps my hair clump back together.

-curlier is not always better. Touchable waves are cuter than product-y forced curls

-length will loosen my curl pattern... But I want long hair again.

-technique is more important than product (unless your hair really hates the product)

-glycerine is not ok... (75+ dews)

-putting hair up, especially 3+ day hair is not a failure, and stretching washes makes my hair feel and act better.

-I love hair sticks, they're easier and cuter than a pony in my hair
KAT
~Curly, Runner, Self-confessed Nerd~
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
2a no product/2b-c styled
Low Porosity, Fine
No poo-SM
Co wash-VO5 kiwi lime*
Rinse out- ION EC
Leave in - Giovanni Direct then SM smoothie (ends only)
Stylers-SM souffle topped with BRHG*

Hair hates: glycerin (high dews here in TX)
Hair likes: Coconut Oil*, protein

*=HG

Comments

  • KauaiMareCurlKauaiMareCurl Posts: 317Registered Users
    Pre-CG: hair was voluminous (even with lots of layers) and frizzy and felt rough to the touch or coarse

    Post-CG: hair is less voluminous (so am growing layers out) and less frizzy and feels so soft to the touch. I love the way it feels, so am always touching it and getting some level of frizz; however frizz is way less than my best pre-CG wavy/curly day!
  • ZozosmammaZozosmamma Posts: 45Registered Users
    Pre-CG...I barely used conditioner. Made my hair feel gross and greasy.

    Now...the more the better!
  • kaykrekaykre Posts: 314Registered Users
    -My hair will revert back to 2B-ish no matter what. I can coax it to be 2C/3A but it's not worth it because it droops.

    -I can skip LI if I cowash rather than low poo.

    -Too much manipulation (touching, scrunching, blotting, etc.) causes my waves to break up and frizz. Exception: I can hand scrunch a lot IF my hair is super wet.

    -Upside down rinsing does not work for me. It leads to seriously wonky roots.

    -Upside down styling is okay as long as I ruffle my roots away from my head first.

    -Adding product when hair is dry (or drying) or trying to fix or perfect pieces only makes things worse. I settle for "pretty good" and stopped trying to constantly perfect and improve my hair.

    -Often only my canopy is frizzy or messy. The rest of my hair is usually fine so simply pinning back the front section with a clip works great.

    -While highlights are pretty, they are not worth the damage and hassle. I now stick to demis.

    -Although my hair is fine, porous, and generally loves protein, it IS possible to overdo it. I am finding I need to focus more on moisture. For now, at least.

    -Even using low heat and low air when diffusing dries my hair out. I need to limit it.

    -Dry/curly cuts make a world of difference.

    -Limiting the products I use and focusing on technique helps ALOT. I will set aside a set of products (maybe once a week?) and stick with them to really get an idea of what works and what doesn't.

    -It's imperative to wait til my hair is 100% before SOTC.
    2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
    Dry climate.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • HairObsessedHairObsessed Posts: 138Registered Users
    Oh gosh, I have a ton of these..

    - Leave-in condish is always not necessary
    - Just because you start CG with 2A waves does not mean your hair will become 2B/2C
    - Even if you don't think a technique won't work, try it anyway
    - if your hair responds best to cowashing with Suave Naturals Coconut than all the rest of the scents, it's probably the protein (took me 1 1/2 years to realize this)
    - The world won't end if you use the occasional 'cone
    - And mostly importantly, you're far more critical of your hair than anyone else is
    Wave Pattern: 2A
    Hair Properties: Normal/Low Porosity, Medium Density, Medium Texture w/Fine Straight Underlayer
    Co-wash: Suave Naturals, Cure Care
    Low-poo: Renpure Brazilian Keratin
    Rinse Out & Leave In: Tresemme Naturals
    Gel: LA Looks Mega Mega Hold Gel, Garnier Fructis Spray Gel
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Biggest "aha" is

    - Don't go into your routine with expectations. Let your hair be your hair and work with it. Maybe one day you have to clip it up, or twist the sides back. Maybe another it is loose and beachy. On another it's bouncy. For instance, today I got zippo definition so I carefully wide combed it out. That looks ok too.

    There are about 2 million variables a day, even when you have a routine down. And if you add trying different products or techniques, 2 million more. Hair would be utterly boring if it looked exactly the same every single day. That's kind of what is fun about it. It's a little like having a wardrobe that you don't get to pick out.
  • darkqueenedarkqueene Posts: 86Registered Users
    Just starting, so I haven't had a chance to have many, but I'm hoping I can learn a little bit from other people's :)

    So far, though, my biggest is that I'm 30 and know next to nothing about my hair, other than it's on my head. I didn't even realize it was wavy until a few weeks ago. The last time I saw it in its natural state when dry was a year ago and it was curly at that length. Also, it's much finer than I realized. Oh, and it very much likes being upside down.

    Sent from my Event using CurlTalk App
    Mostly 2C (?), fine and thin, high porosity. Dry climate + hard water. :cry:

    Started CG 9/6/13 (gave up)

    2nd attempt (mod CG) 2/12/16

    Shampoo (if I absolutely have to): VO5 Pomegranate & Grapeseed, diluted 1:1
    Low poo: NYM Kinky Moves shampoo
    CO wash: VO5 Pomegranate & Grapeseed
    RO: GFTN
    LI: KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, Curls Unleashed jelly, Vital Care Mega Hold gel, NYM Kinky Moves curl creme, HE TT/TMS mousse
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Hey you have 20 years head start on me!! Can't believe it took me til 49 to notice I have waves. Or use a conditioner.
  • darkqueenedarkqueene Posts: 86Registered Users
    You must have been in decent shape beforehand, then! I started using conditioners when I was about 17 and haven't gone a day without since, even if that's all I did to it. I've been using the wrong kinds for my hair, incorrectly, but it still seemed better than nothing.

    Sent from my Event using CurlTalk App
    Mostly 2C (?), fine and thin, high porosity. Dry climate + hard water. :cry:

    Started CG 9/6/13 (gave up)

    2nd attempt (mod CG) 2/12/16

    Shampoo (if I absolutely have to): VO5 Pomegranate & Grapeseed, diluted 1:1
    Low poo: NYM Kinky Moves shampoo
    CO wash: VO5 Pomegranate & Grapeseed
    RO: GFTN
    LI: KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, Curls Unleashed jelly, Vital Care Mega Hold gel, NYM Kinky Moves curl creme, HE TT/TMS mousse
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Mostly I kept my hair short. So I had enough natural oils going on. Once I started to grow it out and saw the waves I needed something. And before that when I stupidly permed I just had no clue so did nothing.
  • darkqueenedarkqueene Posts: 86Registered Users
    Oh no, you said the P word! Lol. Once, idiotically, in middle school was enough to cure me of thinking that would even out my curls. It worked for my mom, but not for me.

    Sent from my Event using CurlTalk App
    Mostly 2C (?), fine and thin, high porosity. Dry climate + hard water. :cry:

    Started CG 9/6/13 (gave up)

    2nd attempt (mod CG) 2/12/16

    Shampoo (if I absolutely have to): VO5 Pomegranate & Grapeseed, diluted 1:1
    Low poo: NYM Kinky Moves shampoo
    CO wash: VO5 Pomegranate & Grapeseed
    RO: GFTN
    LI: KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, Curls Unleashed jelly, Vital Care Mega Hold gel, NYM Kinky Moves curl creme, HE TT/TMS mousse
  • poxyfairyplumepoxyfairyplume Posts: 85Registered Users
    -My hair hates a lot of product. If I use 1 I'm good. 2 is pushing it.
    -I get better curls if I scrunch my hair upside down.
    -I am never cutting my hair short again! I've always known there was a wave to my hair, but it was so darn out of control that my mom kept my hair short all my life, which I continued throughout my life, because growing it straight was so awkward with my very strong wave in the back. I used to perm my hair, and I had absolutely no idea what was under all that! I wish I would've figured this out long ago - and still not sure exactly HOW I figured it out... probably just a lazy day I didn't have time to blow dry and flat iron.
    -My hair hates soap.
    -My hair hates shea butter.
    -I finally know what build up feels like.
    -ACV rinses attracts all sorts of flies and bugs to my head. I use ACV to trap fruit flies.. what was I thinking!??
    -I have to scrunch when soaking wet then not touch it anymore. I tend to scrunch my hair too much after toweling it, because I'm a perfectionist... I need to stop.
    -Yes to Cucumbers is my soul mate conditioner.
  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    poxyfairyplume: that thing you said about "a lazy day" really made me laugh... because that's how I discovered I had whurls as well!
    I fell asleep before I had time to blowdry and flat iron my hair, and woke up with some nice waves/curls...
    That's when I decided I wouldn't go through flat ironing again. (before I always had "straight" hair that looked like I had been in an explosion)
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

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  • poxyfairyplumepoxyfairyplume Posts: 85Registered Users
    Neleke wrote: »
    poxyfairyplume: that thing you said about "a lazy day" really made me laugh... because that's how I discovered I had whurls as well!
    I fell asleep before I had time to blowdry and flat iron my hair, and woke up with some nice waves/curls...
    That's when I decided I wouldn't go through flat ironing again. (before I always had "straight" hair that looked like I had been in an explosion)

    Haha! What's even funnier now is all the work we do to enhance the curls, where before it was just pure laziness. Go figure ;-) I lived off my flat iron and had SO much damage when I tried to go CG the first time, it just didn't work. So I chopped it all off and flat ironed very minimally before I decided to try again. No more iron for me either!!
  • darkqueenedarkqueene Posts: 86Registered Users
    Mine was more of an "in a hurry" day. It was really hot and I wanted to get to the park early, so I basically washed it, combed it, and walked out the door. I was on my way home a few hours later and the wind blew it into my face... I was expecting curls or basically straight since I straightened it so often, so imagine my surprise when I saw all these little S's...
    Mostly 2C (?), fine and thin, high porosity. Dry climate + hard water. :cry:

    Started CG 9/6/13 (gave up)

    2nd attempt (mod CG) 2/12/16

    Shampoo (if I absolutely have to): VO5 Pomegranate & Grapeseed, diluted 1:1
    Low poo: NYM Kinky Moves shampoo
    CO wash: VO5 Pomegranate & Grapeseed
    RO: GFTN
    LI: KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, Curls Unleashed jelly, Vital Care Mega Hold gel, NYM Kinky Moves curl creme, HE TT/TMS mousse
  • fightingfrizzfightingfrizz Posts: 65Registered Users
    Frizz is not the enemy

    Work with what your hair's doing at any given moment

    Don't fiddle - it's looking nice so don't blow it!

    Don't try to be a 3a because its not going to happen

    I had ringlets from age 2 and thought they were so uncool, but 43 years later I love them

    A flat top can be pinned at the roots. No worries.
    UK based, Curly from birth 2b-2c fairly porous with cherub tendencies and frizz halo! Faves include KCKT and Keracare LIs, Deva Curl, CCCCL, Ecosyler gel and Be Curly Curl Enhancer. I don’t mind the odd cone - shhh smile.gif CG since August 2012
  • mandymaemandymae Posts: 150Registered Users
    • Flour sack dish towels work are the best to use.
    • Leave-in conditioner is a must for summer (we'll this winter if it is a must for then too).
    • Hair doesn't need to be cleansed every other day.
    • My waves actually do frame my face better than straight hair does.
    • Volume is not something to be afraid of.
    • Pixicurl diffusing may take time, but the results are worth it.
    • It takes time to undo the damage of blow drying your hair straight years. If you don't see instant results, it doesn't mean that the process doesn't work.
    • Be willing to embrace what you have. The more you love your waves, the more the world will too!
  • crazywaves22crazywaves22 Posts: 7Registered Users
    My ah-ha moments:
    - Raking product works better for me. I have always scrunched when wearing my hair curly my whole life, but raking works better.
    - As someone mentioned above, hair can look awful and stringy when wet and then dry into beautiful waves. I am mystified by this.
    - Give it time. I was ready to give up when my hair started looking better on a regular basis. (It took about two months even though I low-poo instead of cowash.)
    CG since May 2013
    Low Poo: Trader Joe Tea Tree Tingle or Yes 2 Carrots Scalp Relief
    Rinse Out: Yes to Carrots Pampering Conditioner
    Leave In: Tresemme Naturals
    Stylers: LA Style Sport Hold and/or Shea Moisture Style Milk
  • PyjamaLlamaPyjamaLlama Posts: 72Registered Users
    Ah-ha moments:
    -Rake through product. This way it gives hold to other bits of hair apart from my root. Then scrunch it in ;)
    - Apply products before scrunching out water with a towel. This gives me better clumps and waves
    - After scrunching out water with a towel apply a little bit more gel, but this time just scrunched in. My hair really appreciates it haha
    - It's ok to use a sulfate shampoo. I live in an area with crazily hard water (and I have greasy hair) so sometimes it really helps perk up my hair
    - Despite this, following the Curly Girl method has really helped my hair, making it shinier and healthier
    - Hard hold gel = AMAZING!!
    - Likewise, diffusing = AMAZING!!! It really enhances my waves, and gives pretty consistent results. This is probably my biggest ah ha :)
    - Having 2 different hair textures (ringlets at the front, waves at the back) doesn't make me a hair failure
    - Being different is fine. I am different to most people I know in many ways, my hair is just one of them. I don't try to make my blue eyes brown, so why should I make my wavy hair straight?
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    I have normally have BSL (now APL! :( ) hair that is virgin, normal-low porosity, fine, with medium density and normal elasticity. I live in an urban tropical country, which means my hair is exposed to the outside sauna daily. I have soft water. My curl pattern is now 2c. These have been some of my "AHA" moments.

    1. My fine hair is VERY protein-friendly. I use protein-rich ROs and try to PT regularly (but don't always have the time). Protein helps with volume and curl formation.

    2. Uncomplicated styling routine: just gel! I don't know why I always got mixed up with thinking I *needed* an LI. I don't. My hair's not dry so doesn't need anything other than a styler. I don't need to seal.

    3. Diffusing makes a BIG difference in how my hair turns out. I get more root wave/curl and LOTS more volume. Night and day.

    4. Cannot use waxy or waxy-feeling or heavy products. Waxes are worse than silicones for me. Way worse.

    5. Most want big clumps but I'm liking medium-smaller clumps. I find they spring more.



    And of course:

    6. No humectant-heavy gels or leave-in products.

    7. No sulfates or drying ingredients.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

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  • jakrussel3jakrussel3 Posts: 423Registered Users
    1) Holy smokes, I have wavy hair!

    2) Holy smokes, Getting rid of sulfates was THE single best thing I ever did for myself!

    3) Holy smokes, I really can get away with only "washing" my hair twice a week!

    4) Holy smokes, my hair LOVES magnesium sulfate!

    5) Holy smokes, my hair prefers jellies and mousses over hard hold gel!

    6) Holy smokes, I'm pretty sure BRHG contains superglue and concrete!

    7) Holy smokes, thank goodness someone invented the diffuser!

    :)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Hair Properties: 2A/2B, Medium-fine, Normal porosity, Normal elasticity, Medium density
    Low Poo: DevaCare, Yes to Cuc's
    Rinse Out: DevaCare One Condition, Yes to Cuc's
    Cowash: Suave Naturals Lavender, Yes to Carrots Scalp Conditioner
    Curl Cream: AG ReCoil, Organix Moroccan Oil Curl Cream
    Gel/Mousse: Sweet Curls Elixirs FSG w/ Mag Sulfate added, Sweet Curls Elixirs hard hold gel, DevaCurl Frizz Free Foam, Aquage Uplifting Foam
    Protein: Spiral Solutions Protein Spray for daily use
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I just had the stupidest aha moment yesterday!! After a couple of months trying to figure out how to get second day hair (aside from braiding, which worked), all I really need to do is fluff my hair and spritz a tiny bit of water on top. I don't know why the heck I never thought to just fluff!! Omg...:scratch:
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • centralvalleygirlcentralvalleygirl Posts: 16Registered Users
    I am still figuring out my hair but my Aha moments would be:

    I have to switch up my hair products in summer and winter months. My hair likes glycerin in summer but hated\s them in winter/colder months.

    I am protein sensitive (no wonder my curls were straw for the longest time) although I still need protein every once in a while.

    scrunching my mouse in my hair makes my curls look better

    I low poo instead of co wash

    My products work better if I let them sit in my hair for a bit before I defuse my hair.

    Plopping

    adding in my products while hair is very wet


    2C,3A & 3B
    Low Porosity
    Low Desnsity
    Med Texture
    Protein sensitve
    2C & 3B curls
    Low Porosity
    Med Density
    Fine width

    My hair hates Wheat protein
    Shampoo: L'Oreal EverCreme Nourishing Shampoo
    Conditioner: Aussie Moist
    Leave In: GVP The Conditioner

    Protein treatment: GVP knock off of K-Pak
    currently loving Curls in a bottle and Curl Keeper