Heavy vs. Light Emollients

Hi everyone, I'm new here! Have been lurking for a while but only now I registered.
I'm sorry if there are already any threads about this, I searched but haven't found anything.

I had my hair analyzed by Live Curly Live Free and according to their results I have fine hair, which means I should avoid heavy emollients, while light emollients are recommended. I found a list of emollients on the Naturally Curly ingredients list but it doesn't say which are light emollients and which are heavy emollients. How do I know the difference?

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  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    This is not all inclusive...copied and pasted from this blog:
    Finding the Right Leave In for Thick or Fine Natural Hair | Black Girl with Long Hair

    Lighter...

    Argan Oil
    C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate
    Grape Seed Oil
    Mango Butter
    Soybean Oil
    Sunflower Oil
    Sweet Almond Oil

    Heavier....

    Avocado Oil
    Castor Oil
    Cetyl Esters
    Cocoa Butter
    Coconut Oil
    Jojoba Esters
    Jojoba Oil
    Olive Oil
    Mineral Oil
    Shea Butter
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Woah I disagree a lot with that list.

    Argan oil is a lot heavier than avocado or jojoba. Soybean oil is very heavy. If you have "vegetable" oil in your cabinet, check it out. They're pretty much 100% soybean oil.

    Coconut oil, while solid at certain temps, is lighter than many of the oils it's listed with.

    Who is this person?
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Lol, I don't know who she is, but I thought it looked about right. Although I disagreed with jojoba being heavy. Maybe we should take opinions and revise the list?
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    chloe92us wrote: »
    Lol, I don't know who she is, but I thought it looked about right. Although I disagreed with jojoba being heavy. Maybe we should take opinions and revise the list?

    If I wasn't so cheap I'd do a float test! Maybe someone who owns a lot of oils would be willing. Hmmm...
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Posts: 1,275Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Woah I disagree a lot with that list.

    Argan oil is a lot heavier than avocado or jojoba. Soybean oil is very heavy. If you have "vegetable" oil in your cabinet, check it out. They're pretty much 100% soybean oil.

    Coconut oil, while solid at certain temps, is lighter than many of the oils it's listed with.

    Who is this person?

    From the very end of the article on that page, just above the "you might also like" section: "Nicole Harmon is a Cosmetic Chemist and the Founder of HairLiberty.org. She has received rave reviews for her seminars on ethnic hair education and science. She’s on a mission to help the Product Junkies of the world save MONEY, sort through marketing HYPE and buy SMARTER! Her new e-book, Coils & Curls: The Hair Product Handbook is available for purchase now!"
    CG since 11/2011
    2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

    Go To Products /Routine:
    Clarifying: Suave Essentials Strawberry
    Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
    CO: Suave Essentials Strawberry, V05 Kiwi Lime
    RO /LI: Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Suave Essentials Strawberry, Renpure Brazilian Keratin (old formula)
    Stylers: LALSG, AIF, HETT, Suave Professionals Firm Control
    PT: IAGirl's as needed
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,065Registered Users Curl Novice
    Fatty Alcohols

    Provide emollient effect, lubricity, emulsion stabilization:
    Behenyl alcohol
    Cetearyl alcohol
    Cetyl alcohol
    Isocetyl alcohol
    Isostearyl alcohol
    Lauryl alcohol
    Myristyl alcohol
    Stearyl alcohol
    C30-50 Alcohols
    Lanolin alcohol

    Ingredients Commonly Found in Hair Care Products

    Unless I'm mistaken, fatty alcohols should have emollient properties but be much lighter than any oils. Though most ingredients have various functions (so can be both emollient and humectant for instance) oils generally seal rather than condition. Cationic surfactants should condition as well. (I'm a little confused on what "emollient esters" do.)

    To the OP... what is your porosity? That will tell you how well your hair can handle oils. Basically for fine hair I would look for products that aren't super heavy in oils (so more balanced). Protein is key for most fine hair as it can get overconditioned and/or weighed down easily. You can try using a few drops of oil or more oil-heavy product to seal if your hair is high porosity (especially in extreme low or high dews). Density also comes into play... the less hair you have the less you'll want to use oils.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,065Registered Users Curl Novice
    Woah I disagree a lot with that list.

    Argan oil is a lot heavier than avocado or jojoba. Soybean oil is very heavy. If you have "vegetable" oil in your cabinet, check it out. They're pretty much 100% soybean oil.

    Coconut oil, while solid at certain temps, is lighter than many of the oils it's listed with.

    Who is this person?

    I think I know what you're getting at. An oil's penetrability should be important in assessing how "light" or "heavy" it is, especially for low-porosity hair. I think most tend to think of oils in terms of thickness/viscosity... which I don't think is necessarily the full picture. I know what you mean about coconut oil as well as argan. Argan did nothing for my hair; just sat there. Coconut oil at least gave me some curl enhancement a while back (probably at a higher porosity) though I wouldn't use either straight on my hair.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • imclaimcla Posts: 2Registered Users
    Wavydazy, I've got normal porosity, and I believe medium/high density.
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Geek_Chic wrote: »
    Woah I disagree a lot with that list.

    Argan oil is a lot heavier than avocado or jojoba. Soybean oil is very heavy. If you have "vegetable" oil in your cabinet, check it out. They're pretty much 100% soybean oil.

    Coconut oil, while solid at certain temps, is lighter than many of the oils it's listed with.

    Who is this person?

    From the very end of the article on that page, just above the "you might also like" section: "Nicole Harmon is a Cosmetic Chemist and the Founder of HairLiberty.org. She has received rave reviews for her seminars on ethnic hair education and science. She’s on a mission to help the Product Junkies of the world save MONEY, sort through marketing HYPE and buy SMARTER! Her new e-book, Coils & Curls: The Hair Product Handbook is available for purchase now!"

    That was a sarcastic rhetorical question...
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • artemis513artemis513 Posts: 666Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Woah I disagree a lot with that list.

    Argan oil is a lot heavier than avocado or jojoba. Soybean oil is very heavy. If you have "vegetable" oil in your cabinet, check it out. They're pretty much 100% soybean oil.

    Coconut oil, while solid at certain temps, is lighter than many of the oils it's listed with.

    Who is this person?

    I respectfully disagree. I use pure argan oil on my hair as a finisher on dry hair because it is lighter than avocado oil which I use as a pre-shampoo treatment. To me, it is just as light as apricot oil.

    As a general response. That list was posted out of context, it was a list of emollients to look for in a LI conditioner for Fine-Medium hair vs. Medium-Coarse. I have the book that the excerpt comes from and she selected those based on how they sit on the hair (and if they penetrate the strands), not on viscosity alone. And she is also a little biased in her ideas in general because she comes off (at times) as believing that all black hair (her niche market for her book) is fine and high porosity.
    4a/3c, fine strands, low porosity, medium density
    Last relaxer: Jan 2010 - BC'd: 2/27/11
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  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Woah I disagree a lot with that list.

    Argan oil is a lot heavier than avocado or jojoba. Soybean oil is very heavy. If you have "vegetable" oil in your cabinet, check it out. They're pretty much 100% soybean oil.

    Coconut oil, while solid at certain temps, is lighter than many of the oils it's listed with.

    Who is this person?

    In the UK vegetable oil is often rapeseed (?canola?) not soybean.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Woah I disagree a lot with that list.

    Argan oil is a lot heavier than avocado or jojoba. Soybean oil is very heavy. If you have "vegetable" oil in your cabinet, check it out. They're pretty much 100% soybean oil.

    Coconut oil, while solid at certain temps, is lighter than many of the oils it's listed with.

    Who is this person?

    In the UK vegetable oil is often rapeseed (?canola?) not soybean.

    In the US canola oil is generally labeled as such. Vegetable oil used to be more of a mix, but since we heavily subsidize the soybean crop it's taken over where ever it can. Soy is in most packaged products and is most "vegetable" oils. I know this because I'm allergic and I have to read everything before I eat it.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive

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