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Making my first fsg... additives?

Ok I got my flaxseed and in today. I am going to make it plain to begin with.... but if you add anything, do you add it before you boil the water or after the gel forms? Things I am considering adding... jojoba oil, honey, vanilla extract (for smell), and apple cider vinegar for ph if that would even work.

Thanks!
Ashley

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  • CeriCeri Posts: 142Registered Users
    Magnesium sulfate (epsom salt) is the only thing I add to the water and seeds before I boil them, everything else gets added afterward.
    3a/3b Medium Texture & Normal Porosity
    Modified CG since November 2009
    Low Poo - (Once in a while) True Polaris Solid Shampoo Bar
    CO-wash/Condish - (I'm lazy, one step only!) True Polaris Solid Conditioner Bars
    Styling - True Polaris Truly Curly Styling Gel I add 'cones in summer Truly Frizz Free Hair Serum
    I plop and defuse daily


    c_band2.gif I love MUSE
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    Ok thanks!

    Also what preservatives do you add? Is a few drops of lemon juice sufficient?

    Can coconut oil be used or will it solidify?
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    Here it is! I whisked in a few drops of vanilla extract for smell and about 1/4tsp jojoba oil.


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  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Be careful with the coconut oil. Depending on what else you add, it may well form little solid flecks in the fridge. One of my batches did. I reheated it to melt the oil and then mixed it 50-50 with conditioner to try to keep the coconut oil from solidifying again.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • LovemybabyLovemybaby Posts: 234Registered Users
    I tried jojoba in mine and hated it :( bites that i got a whole bottle still.. May make an oils refresher or use in a dt..

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  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    My latest batch has nothing in it but flax seeds and water. I figure I can mix anything else in my hard before application and not mess up a whole batch.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    Today my hair smelled a little like vomit... I had to wash it out... does it go rancid in your hair? I put it in last night and wet and restyled this morning with just fsg. This afternoon my hair had that odor and I had to rewash. Right now I'm styled with yestocarrots mixed with a little jojoba oil and then kccc just scrunched on the ends. Its more wavy at the moment, but at least it doesn't smell like vomit! uploadfromtaptalk1376955148756.jpg
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Ewwwwwww! That never happened to me, but I guess it could.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • Tripgirl3aTripgirl3a Posts: 201Registered Users
    That happened to my hair! It smelled awful :/ I think my package of seeds went bad because every time I made fsg it started to stink right after I put it in my hair
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    My seeds are good. Ive already eaten some (its good to chew whole flaxseeds for omega 3) and there is no odor or flavor.

    I am quite sensitive to odors so maybe that's it. Overall though I wasn't impressed with the performance and the texture didn't thrill me either. Not really worth the effort in my opinion.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    My seeds are good. Ive already eaten some (its good to chew whole flaxseeds for omega 3) and there is no odor or flavor.

    I am quite sensitive to odors so maybe that's it. Overall though I wasn't impressed with the performance and the texture didn't thrill me either. Not really worth the effort in my opinion.

    If you want thicker, harder hold gel add xanthan gum. How did you sterilise the jelly and all your equipment? What preservative did you use?

    You are confusing rancidity of the seeds (fatty acids oxidising) with the possible presence of microorganisms that are feeding on the carb rich mucilage extract (little to no oil present in the jelly). If there are spore formers present boiling may not be enough, they may have come from the seeds, your equipment or be in your hair or scalp.

    Humans cannot chew or digest flaxseeds sufficiently to release worthwhile amounts of omega-3, they should be ground. We convert short chain omega-3 to the useable long chain format at rates as low as 10%.

    HTH.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    I have xanthan gum for gluten free cooking (husband is gluten sensitive) so I would like to give that a try.

    How should I sterilize equipment? Should I boil the water for a while before adding the flax? Most of my dishes go through the dishwasher but I handwash pots and pans a lot. Should I soak them in bleach water before making the gel?

    Is there anything natural I can add to the gel to inhibit microbial growth?


    Oh and I know ground flax is better for omega 3. But I wanted to sample the seeds... and I ground them with my teeth ;) I take cod liver oil daily.

    I'm willing to try again!
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I don't sterilize my pot or mixing spoon. I figure those deal with the boiled flax only. I rub alcohol on my mixing bowl, strainer, whisk, and container before pouring the flax.

    Here's a good link about preserving homemade gels, and there's a link in there about sterilizing your equipment:

    Science-y Hair Blog: Preserving Your Homemade Hair Gels

    The link within the link doesn't work, it should go here:
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fscience-yhairblog.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F01%2Fwhen-good-bottles-go-bad.html" class="Popup
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    Those are chemicals added, what about natural antimicrobials like cinnamon?
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    Alright I made another batch tonight. I soaked everything in bleach water before starting. Then rinsed with distilled water. After I boiled the flaxseeds and strained the gel I added some cinnamon powder and it smells wonderful. I put it in a clean sterilized container and styled my hair with it. I actually have soft bouncy curls! I will see what it smells like when I wake up.
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    Sorry I'm just really excited about these results.


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    EDIT
    And yes I do know cinnamon can lighten hair and I am completely ok with that. I love the smell... especially for the fall.
  • _Eva__Eva_ Posts: 87Registered Users
    Looking good!

    I've also just made my first batch of flax seed gel and have been wondering about how to preserve it.

    I've read this blog Science-y Hair Blog: Preserving Your Homemade Hair Gels and came to the conclusion that the easiest way is:
    - pay attention to hygiene when preparing, so sterilize your tools beforehand
    - pay attention to hygiene when using, so preferably a bottle over a jar (which you have to dip your fingers into)
    - keep refrigerated
    - freeze portions if you don't use it all within two weeks

    There are loads of things you can add (with complicated names) to strech it beyond those two weeks, but I just figured it isn't worth the effort. From what I gathered natural additives like grapefruitseed oil (which some people add to preserve) don't really act as a preservative.

    She also has a recipe page Science-y Hair Blog: Recipes and Projects which I found inspiring on what I can add for which purpose. I made my gel and added agave syrup for extra hold and gelatine for protein. Next time I plan on adding some oil as well.
    Hair type: 3b, normal porosity, medium texture

    co-wash and rinse out: Inecto coconut conditioner
    leave in: sHegron Aloe vera conditioner or Inecto coconut conditioner
    styler: L'Oreal gel / mousse

    Currently experimenting with home made flax seed gel (latest version with agave syrup and gelatine), home made protein treatments (latest version with gelatine and coconut oil)


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  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    Well my hair doesn't smell like vomit today :) so I guess there was some contanimation the first go around.
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I plan on trying to reduce contamination and just keeping it in the fridge for two weeks as well. I added argan oil to mine today.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    That sounds awful! I follow the rule, "when in doubt, throw it out!" Wow - you get lovely shine from the FSG.
    I cannot use agave in summer because the humidity here makes my hair + agave super-soft. But I love it in drier-weather winter.
    I like xanthan gum for a little more hold, bigger groups of curls. I'm working on an extra-thick FSG recipe with no added thickeners right now. It's in my hair today - and it's a fantastic hair day.
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    The xanthan gum did seem to help with clumping. I had to break up the clumps and really fluff my hair! I didn't use much either.
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    IAgirl wrote: »
    That sounds awful! I follow the rule, "when in doubt, throw it out!" Wow - you get lovely shine from the FSG.
    I cannot use agave in summer because the humidity here makes my hair + agave super-soft. But I love it in drier-weather winter.
    I like xanthan gum for a little more hold, bigger groups of curls. I'm working on an extra-thick FSG recipe with no added thickeners right now. It's in my hair today - and it's a fantastic hair day.

    What's in the extra thick gel?
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • _Eva__Eva_ Posts: 87Registered Users
    Yesterday evening I made a batch with added glycerin and agave. I can't wait to see how it will be on my hair today.
    Hair type: 3b, normal porosity, medium texture

    co-wash and rinse out: Inecto coconut conditioner
    leave in: sHegron Aloe vera conditioner or Inecto coconut conditioner
    styler: L'Oreal gel / mousse

    Currently experimenting with home made flax seed gel (latest version with agave syrup and gelatine), home made protein treatments (latest version with gelatine and coconut oil)


    IHerb code: SGW867 (up to $10 off)
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Those are chemicals added, what about natural antimicrobials like cinnamon?

    The reality is it's difficult to add enough of a wholefood like ground cinnamon to get the benefit, you really want to be using standardised extracts. If you are adding anything like oils or hydrolysed proteins or agave you are supplying additional 'food' to microbes: making a sterile product in a sterile container is the most important.

    You might look at which preservatives companies like Weleda and Komaza Care use.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • CeriCeri Posts: 142Registered Users
    Some of the others have shared some good info about the need for sanitizing the equipment used in making this gel.

    Lemon juice and/ or cinnamon are not going to keep your gel safe out on the counter. If you don't feel comfortable using 'chemicals' then make sure you just make small batches and keep it in the fridge.

    Also, be careful about the cinnamon. I know it smells lovely, but it can be irritating on the skin and scalp when left on for long.
    3a/3b Medium Texture & Normal Porosity
    Modified CG since November 2009
    Low Poo - (Once in a while) True Polaris Solid Shampoo Bar
    CO-wash/Condish - (I'm lazy, one step only!) True Polaris Solid Conditioner Bars
    Styling - True Polaris Truly Curly Styling Gel I add 'cones in summer Truly Frizz Free Hair Serum
    I plop and defuse daily


    c_band2.gif I love MUSE
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    Ceri wrote: »
    Some of the others have shared some good info about the need for sanitizing the equipment used in making this gel.

    Lemon juice and/ or cinnamon are not going to keep your gel safe out on the counter. If you don't feel comfortable using 'chemicals' then make sure you just make small batches and keep it in the fridge.

    Also, be careful about the cinnamon. I know it smells lovely, but it can be irritating on the skin and scalp when left on for long.


    I dont want to keep it out on the counter. It was refrigerated both times.
  • fightingfrizzfightingfrizz Posts: 65Registered Users
    I use optiphen to preserve my home mades
    UK based, Curly from birth 2b-2c fairly porous with cherub tendencies and frizz halo! Faves include KCKT and Keracare LIs, Deva Curl, CCCCL, Ecosyler gel and Be Curly Curl Enhancer. I don’t mind the odd cone - shhh smile.gif CG since August 2012
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    I use optiphen to preserve my home mades

    What is that?

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