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Hair One vs. DevaCurl, cones, and ACV

Hey all! I have been doing no-poo for about 7 months with Hair One. I am pretty happy with this product, but it has amodimethicone in it (fairly high on the list.) I have read mixed things about amodimethicone, especially with it not being water-soluable unless it has a certain ingredient with it.

I have heard good things about DevaCurl no-poo - is that a higher-quality product than Hair One? I am on a college budget.

With the buildup, is apple cider vinegar good for getting rid of it? I did a rinse of it this morning and my hair feels nice.

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  • rbouwensrbouwens Posts: 43Registered Users
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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    Deva NoPoo has polyquat (I think 7.) It gives me issues--have to use sulfate to remove it. If you're going to spend that kind of money, I'd buy CJ Daily Fix or something else.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
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    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users
    The information you have about amodimethicone's being water-soluable when it has a certain ingredient with it has been proven only to be true when they are in solution. Once it's on your hair, that other ingredient has no effect on it. ACV will have no effect on it. A low-poo should do the trick. L'Oreal Evercreme Cleansing Conditioner would be one that's reasonably priced, and easy to find.

    Quite honestly, I just use VO5 Herbal Escapes Kiwi-Lime Squeeze Conditioner as my go to co-wash. It seems to do as good a job as any of the others, and it's incredibly cheap (I think I paid $1.39 at Wally's World for a family sized bottle I've barely put a dent in over the course of three months), not to mention that it's easy to find. Since I switched to that (from Suave Naturals, with occasional low-pooing), I've very rarely felt the need for anything stronger, and usually go months between low-poos.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • InkandConverseInkandConverse Posts: 20Registered Users
    So, off subject, but I'm from Louisiana and I noticed that my local Target now carries Deva products.
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  • rbouwensrbouwens Posts: 43Registered Users
    ^^ Hm. I was hoping that some concoction at home could get amodethicone out.
  • curry curlscurry curls Posts: 972Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    If you are using the One 'n Only stuff to style, I believe the curl cream has dimethicone. You'll have to find a way to remove it also.
    Started CG July 8, 2008


    3B

    Co-wash: Deva Decadence No Poo
    Rinse out: Deva Decadence One Condition
    Leave-in/Styling: Deva Decadence One Condition, Deva Supercream, and Deva B'leave-in
    Others: ACV rinses and protein treatments


  • rbouwensrbouwens Posts: 43Registered Users
    ^ Yes, the One 'n Only curl cream does have dimethicone. I have been using it since winter and I stopped yesterday :0 I will use their mousse, which has a water-soluable PEG cone in it.

    I'd rather use a natural product to remove it than a drugstore shampoo.....baking soda and ACV will not remove it? Will lemon juice remove it?
  • rbouwensrbouwens Posts: 43Registered Users
    Also, I do most of my shopping at Sally's - what CG-friendly products do they have?

    There is also an Ulta near where I live, but Mom says that's more pricey.
  • curry curlscurry curls Posts: 972Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I'm not sure about natural things to remove the cones. As for products, Sally's has GVP conditioning balm, which I really like. I use it as a rinse out. Ulta has the Kenra moisturizing conditioner, which I love and use as a leave in. It's a little pricey though. If you are near a Trader Joe's, they have two awesome conditioners...Tea Tree Tingle and the Nourish Spa. They make great co washes. Hope that helps.
    Started CG July 8, 2008


    3B

    Co-wash: Deva Decadence No Poo
    Rinse out: Deva Decadence One Condition
    Leave-in/Styling: Deva Decadence One Condition, Deva Supercream, and Deva B'leave-in
    Others: ACV rinses and protein treatments


  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Posts: 1,257Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Lemon juice won't remove silicones either. I've heard it said that baking soda will remove them, but no documented evidence that proves it definitively. Also, it may be natural, but it's more harsh than just using a shampoo. You would likely be better off to use a silicone free low poo (sulfate free shampoo) that contains Cocamidopropyl Betaine or Coco Betaine, or you can also use a sulfate shampoo to remove them.

    Sally's has a good amount of CG friendly products. Just be sure to choose ones that are appropriate for your hair properties. Off the top of my head, these are all CG friendly: EcoStyler gels, Cure Care conditioner, the As I Am line, the CURLS line, GVP Conditioning Balm, and Volumax gels. They have a lot of other CG products too. There have been a few Sally's threads before, so try an advanced forum search to find more suggestions.

    Ulta will be pricier, but they also carry some higher end lines like Devacurl and Carol's Daughter. I'd check online also, since you can often find discounts or free shipping deals. Aveyou.com, iherb.com, and Curlmart are all possible options.

    Really the best thing you can do is be knowledgable about ingredients. Know how to recognize a sulfate or a silicone, and know how the various silicones work because they aren't all created equal. Beyond just water soluble (CG friendly) or not, there are some silicones that resist buildup and others that evaporate off the hair during the drying process. Also, read the ingredients list of a product you're interested in buying. Sometimes even veteran CGers will be surprised by a sudden ingredient change that they only noticed when a much loved product suddenly gunks up their hair.
    CG since 11/2011
    2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

    Go To Products /Routine:
    Clarifying: Suave Essentials Strawberry
    Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
    CO: Suave Essentials Strawberry, V05 Kiwi Lime
    RO /LI: Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Suave Essentials Strawberry, Renpure Brazilian Keratin (old formula)
    Stylers: LALSG, AIF, HETT, Suave Professionals Firm Control
    PT: IAGirl's as needed
  • selfcurledgirlselfcurledgirl Posts: 516Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    My hair looks great and I use hair one. I don't pay so much attention to cones and such. If my hair looks good, I use it. I don't use shampoo, but hair one is an imitation of wen which is very good. I also like ouidad deep treatment It's expensive but it is very softening.
    Hair type, thin, 3b, past my shoulders always looking for length. Use jessicurl hair cleansing cream, devacurl one c, angel, set it free, Always see a deva trained stylist for cut and Aveda Institute for color.
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    What is your reasoning behind using natural products? If it's to be gentle, then baking soda and lemon juice are counterproductive...even if they were capable of removing -cones.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • rbouwensrbouwens Posts: 43Registered Users
    I just don't want another product on my shelf, I guess. If there's something in the pantry that would would work just as well, great!
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users
    I 2nd Curl Junkie Daily Fix. It's a cleansing condish with coco betaine so it will remove cones. Also has EDTA which helps with hard water mineral build up. It is GREAT STUFF, but has to be ordered online.
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Amodimethicome is supposed to resist build up.
    Amodimethicone and other Amine-functionalized Silicones

    Build up of any product is best removed by either sulphates or cocoamidopropyl betaine, acids are unlikely to do it they just help the cuticle lay flat. Baking soda probably will but is alkaline so damaging to both skin and hair. You can use shower gel if you don't have a sulphate shampoo.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • rbouwensrbouwens Posts: 43Registered Users
    Any drugstore products/Sally products that have cocoamidopropyl betaine?
  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Posts: 1,257Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    For drugstore options, there's Giovanni, Yes To Cucumbers, Renpure Organics Luxurious Argan Oil, and Renpure Organics Brazilian Keratin Straightening, to name a few. Sally's has the CURLS and As I Am lines, and if I recall, both have shampoos with cocamidopropyl betaine.
    CG since 11/2011
    2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

    Go To Products /Routine:
    Clarifying: Suave Essentials Strawberry
    Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
    CO: Suave Essentials Strawberry, V05 Kiwi Lime
    RO /LI: Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Suave Essentials Strawberry, Renpure Brazilian Keratin (old formula)
    Stylers: LALSG, AIF, HETT, Suave Professionals Firm Control
    PT: IAGirl's as needed
  • rbouwensrbouwens Posts: 43Registered Users
    ok thanks I'll have to check into those
  • rbouwensrbouwens Posts: 43Registered Users
    I went to Ulta yesterday and smelled the DevaCurl no-poo and low-poos. I liked the smell of the low-poo, but the smell of the no-poo was awful. They're above my price range anyway. I guess I'll have to deal with the A-cone.