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What's going on with my hair?

My hair seems like it's getting less curly?? After I SOTC, my hair is *really* soft and fluffy. I've started doing a modified version of the super soaker and my clumps are bigger now, but it seems like there is less volume and weaker curl?

What do you think is happening? I'm pretty new at this (less than a month) and I loved my hair the first week but it just seems kind of messy now...

I'm attaching a pic from the night before I started CG, the first day, and today (3 weeks in).

Before:
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1st Day (I loved! the volume)
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Today:
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2c, Medium/Medium, HP, dews 50-65
Products: Suave TC, TN, KCKT, LA Looks SG, JCNS

Comments

  • WavyRooWavyRoo Posts: 195Registered Users
    My guess is that you're over conditioned- does your hair feel kinda slimy when wet? It's pretty common for that to happen the first few weeks of CG. Try adding in protein. Your gel has a little bit, but you probably need an actual protein treatment. Try the gelatin protein treatment that's popular here- I don't have the link handy but if you search it's pretty easy to find. Just be careful not to overdo it- it's all about balance. I got OCd at the beginning of my journey and did a fairly strong PT without following with a deep conditioning treatment - it was a disaster. If you use the gelatin recipe, use at half strength (half a pack of gelatin instead of the whole pack) to start and follow with a deep conditioning treatment. If your hair is still happy (not straw like), you can try a full strength one. The Colorful Neutral Protein Filler from Sally's is also great because you add just a few drops into your conditioner and adjust how much you may need daily. But I'd start with the gelatin and see if it works for you. HTH.

    BTW- I think you and I have very similar hair! You'll have to let me know how it turns out:)
    2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
    Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
    Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
    DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
    LI: a touch of JCTS
    Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
    Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works! :)
  • jbartsyjbartsy Posts: 31Registered Users
    ^^what she said!

    I did this version of the PT this weekend, followed by a DT of coconut oil, honey and regular conditioner, and my hair feels awesome!

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpedaheh.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F05%2Fgelatin-protein-treatment.html%3Fm%3D1" class="Popup
  • WavyRooWavyRoo Posts: 195Registered Users
    There's the link! Yep- do exactly that. The PT, followed by coconut oil mixed with conditioner and maybe a squeeze of honey. Leave it on for at least an hour, or overnight if you can. CO can be tough to cowash out- just use loads of your TN and make sure you get it all out or your hair may feel greasy.
    2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
    Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
    Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
    DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
    LI: a touch of JCTS
    Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
    Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works! :)
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    I second possibility of overconditioned and I second gelatin PT.

    Though I know many people have to, I don't DT after a PT because that would negate what the PT did in terms of moisture-protein balance. I follow a PT with my regular RO.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • croftericacrofterica Posts: 64Registered Users
    Thanks, ladies! I wouldn't have known to think of protein! I will have to try it out when I can get to the store...


    How will I know if I need to DT afterwards? Based on how the hair feels? Would you just let CO saturate the hair and sleep on it, or add conditioner too?
  • WavyRooWavyRoo Posts: 195Registered Users
    You can try without the DT, just lots of RO, then see how it is once dry. If it's straw like, do the DT. I always add conditioner to CO because it makes it easier to apply and rinse out, plus I like the moisture. CO itself isn't moisturizing as much as conditioning which is why I still recommend it even though you're over conditioned. It never counteracts my PTs, so it may be a good idea regardless... It's up to you! :)
    2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
    Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
    Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
    DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
    LI: a touch of JCTS
    Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
    Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works! :)
  • ahigg396ahigg396 Posts: 6Registered Users
    I kinda LOVE your second day hair, just saying. :)

    The curls are so defined. To me, it doesn't look like you're losing curl. It looks curlier. I do, however, understand the fight for more volume and feel much more confident with bigger hair.

    Let us know how the PT works!
    2b/3a
    -Thin hair with all medium properties
    -Looking for products I can stick with that give the perfect balance of clumps, definition and volume.
  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    Took me a while to figure out you meant coconut oil when you said CO. Over on the longhaircommunity, CO means conditioner only (washing), what we usually call low poo here. Lol.

    Agree on the PT, especially if nothing else has changed and your hair is limp. Let us know how it turns out!
    3a/b, F, normal porosity

    Suave conditioner, LAL gel
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Took me a while to figure out you meant coconut oil when you said CO. Over on the longhaircommunity, CO means conditioner only (washing), what we usually call low poo here. Lol.

    Unless this is what you meant... low-poo on nc.com means washing with a sulfate-free, generally low-lather shampoo, while cowashing means washing with a light or cleansing conditioner. :)
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • croftericacrofterica Posts: 64Registered Users
    Took me a while to figure out you meant coconut oil when you said CO. Over on the longhaircommunity, CO means conditioner only (washing), what we usually call low poo here. Lol.

    Agree on the PT, especially if nothing else has changed and your hair is limp. Let us know how it turns out!

    I meant coconut oil--sorry for the confusion!! :)

    I'm planning on trying the PT tonight--I'll let you how it turns out. :)
  • croftericacrofterica Posts: 64Registered Users
    jbartsy wrote: »
    ^^what she said!

    I did this version of the PT this weekend, followed by a DT of coconut oil, honey and regular conditioner, and my hair feels awesome!

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpedaheh.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F05%2Fgelatin-protein-treatment.html%3Fm%3D1" class="Popup

    Okay, did you do the DT on wet or dry hair? And how long? Can you tell me a little about your recipe too?

    Also, how long should I do the PT for?
  • croftericacrofterica Posts: 64Registered Users
    Okay, I still haven't done the PT!! I have the gelatin and ingredients, but I've been reading about protein and now I'm scared to do it! Lol!

    My hair does seem less curly, and the curls *were* seeming soft...but now my hair feels dry?? And when it's wet it doesn't feel slimy...

    I'm pretty sure my hair is slightly fine or medium, with a higher porosity, so a PT probably wouldn't hurt it, right??

    Or should I try a coconut oil DT first? And how exactly do I do that?

    Help!!! I'm second guessing myself! I don't want to over protein my hair and lose my curl :/
  • croftericacrofterica Posts: 64Registered Users
    Anyone have advice? :)
  • RytokaRytoka Posts: 309Registered Users
    Just go for the PT! I was worried at first too but the results were great! If you hair feels stiff or anything after do a DT. But most likely you can just use your regular RO
    Katie
    2C/3a, Medium Texture, Normal porosity, High Density, Normal Elasticity (so says the LCLF Hair analysis)
    Co Wash: As I am
    RO: Yes To Carrots / Ion
    LI: Biotera / Samy Big Curls Defining Cream
    Gel: FSG, Volumax (Original and Mega)
    Color: Henna
    Tools: Diffusing
    :thumright:
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    The gelatin PT (especially if you do the quick version) is not a hardcore PT like Aphogee 2 step, so I wouldn't worry. I have fine hair and try to do it weekly. My mom has medium-textured hair, normal po and her hair responded well to it (though she may not need it weekly). I've also seen coarse-haired curlies on the board use it with success as well... but this is a tossup, some may not like it at all, others may like it but only every few months or so. The texture of your hair is important in determining how much protein you'll need. If your hair is damaged and/or porous, protein will be very helpful as well. (Keep in mind, I have seen fine haired curlies who don't like protein etc. so it is always individual in the end, but these are the general rules).

    If you do the light, quick version of the gelatin I think you'll be fine. If your hair ends up "strawlike" just follow up with a (or a few) DT(s) until softness is restored.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • croftericacrofterica Posts: 64Registered Users
    I did it!! :)

    I did Pedaheh's more moisturizing version with half a packet. I accidentally forgot to towel dry my hair and went straight from Cowash to PT. Oops...

    Left it on for 5 mins, rinsed out (my hair felt normal, not dry or straw like) and applied a DT of conditioner, coconut oil, and honey to wet hair for about 30 mins.

    I think I probably could have forgone the DT, but wanted to play it safe :). Rinsed out DT and cowashed again to get out the coconut oil. Rinsed clean, added a little TN as a leave in and then put in my gel. I have more root curl, I think, but we'll see how it looks after I SOTC! Doesn't seem too different than before, so far...

    Should I have left it on longer? Should I do another one soon? Let me know what you all think, and I'll let you know what it looks like in a few hours...
  • croftericacrofterica Posts: 64Registered Users
    Results!!

    Super happy with them! Still have some frizz, but I can live with it ;). Curls have more bounce and body...not quite so clumpy today, but I didn't super soaker as much after my DT, which is probably why.

    Thanks for the push and all your help! How often do you normally PT? Do you just wait until it starts looking like it needs it again? Or weekly?
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Love it! Your hair looks great!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • WavyRooWavyRoo Posts: 195Registered Users
    Yay! Looks like protein was the key- it looks great:). I'm in the same boat- not sure how often to use protein or how to tell when my hair wants it. I am a little protein sensitive and have been over-proteined twice which was horrible, so I'm very careful (maybe too careful) on how much I use. I used the gelatin treatment at half strength once about 3 weeks ago and it was great. Since then I've been adding a little neutral protein filler to my RO once or twice a week, and that seems to be gently doing the trick. I'm wondering if I should risk another gelatin treatment...
    2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
    Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
    Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
    DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
    LI: a touch of JCTS
    Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
    Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works! :)