wavy or straight

saralacysaralacy Posts: 56Registered Users
Hello i need some advice on my 2a hair. I posted over in general discussion about hair by accident and couldnt figure out how to move it here. This will be the condensed version.

My hair is 2a,fine,med,normal porosity. I have to try very hard to encourage the wave and even then it just looks messy. On the other hand if i let it air dry in its natural state its flippy and bendy and isnt straight. It is much easier to blow it dry straight than to drive my self crazy getting it half way decent looking wavy. I am trying different routines like plopping,icequeen,supper soaker etc. I also have tried many different products with no success. Im totally curly girl, no sulfates and no silicones. I dont cowash as it makes my hair feel grimey and limp. I use sulfate free shampoo. Ive been following this method for several years and while my hair is alot healthier it has not helped me to get my waves to a wearable state. Sure ive had days when the hair gods are shinning on me and i get beautiful waves but those days are very few and far between. Should i just start styling my hair straight since it would be more consistant and i would stop wearing myself out with encouraging it to be wavy?


whew sorry i know this was supposed to be the condensed version. I would love to here your thoughts and suggestions.

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  • claudine191claudine191 Posts: 8,221Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    No, I understand. I have the same thing. I think it looks best with a few layers. It's very frustrating.

    I wish I could offer concrete advice, but finding a cut you can wear either way is best. If your hair is straight when it's cold out, then you could wear it wavy in summer, straight in winter.

    If you find a solution, I'd love to hear it myself!
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    saralacy wrote: »
    Hello i need some advice on my 2a hair. I posted over in general discussion about hair by accident and couldnt figure out how to move it here. This will be the condensed version.

    My hair is 2a,fine,med,normal porosity. I have to try very hard to encourage the wave and even then it just looks messy. On the other hand if i let it air dry in its natural state its flippy and bendy and isnt straight. It is much easier to blow it dry straight than to drive my self crazy getting it half way decent looking wavy. I am trying different routines like plopping,icequeen,supper soaker etc. I also have tried many different products with no success. Im totally curly girl, no sulfates and no silicones. I dont cowash as it makes my hair feel grimey and limp. I use sulfate free shampoo. Ive been following this method for several years and while my hair is alot healthier it has not helped me to get my waves to a wearable state. Sure ive had days when the hair gods are shinning on me and i get beautiful waves but those days are very few and far between. Should i just start styling my hair straight since it would be more consistant and i would stop wearing myself out with encouraging it to be wavy?


    whew sorry i know this was supposed to be the condensed version. I would love to here your thoughts and suggestions.

    What products are you using and what are your dew points/ humidity? Are you doing regular hydrolysed protein treatments and/ or using a protein rich daily conditioner? What do you mean by messy, no clumps or something else? Can you post a photo?
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • saralacysaralacy Posts: 56Registered Users
    Im working right now to get a picture posted. By messy i mean its not straight not wavy and looks like i slept on it and then didnt comb it. And not in a good way. And about the products ive tried everything. At the moment im using curly sexy hair spray foam,got 2b spiked up gel,biosilk rock hard gelee,bioterra styling gel. I really dont like to use a bunch of products. Im in Missouri and were having high dew points and humidity.
  • saralacysaralacy Posts: 56Registered Users
    claudine191 how do you deal with this type of hair. How do style yours do you just let it go. hows your routine can you share. If you have any tips i would appreciate it. Its nice to know im not alone.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    saralacy wrote: »
    Im working right now to get a picture posted. By messy i mean its not straight not wavy and looks like i slept on it and then didnt comb it. And not in a good way. And about the products ive tried everything. At the moment im using curly sexy hair spray foam,got 2b spiked up gel,biosilk rock hard gelee,bioterra styling gel. I really dont like to use a bunch of products. Im in Missouri and were having high dew points and humidity.

    What are all your products: shampoo, wash out conditioner, leave in conditioner, intensive treatments? Are you doing regular hydrolysed protein treatments and/ or using a protein rich daily conditioner?

    IMO your leave in conditioner is as important as your stylers for frizz control and clumping.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • saralacysaralacy Posts: 56Registered Users
    firefox my shampoo mga scalp rescue,natures gate herbal, nutribiotic everyday clean.

    conditioners are ion effective care,kenra moisturizing condish,yes to cucumbers
    leavin im not sure of what to use
    pt gelatin,nexus emergency
    dt kenra moisturizing with oils,old triple nutrition
    aphogee keratin and green tea restructurizer spray
    everythin i use is sulfate and silicone free
  • rainboerainboe Posts: 284Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    saralacy wrote: »
    firefox my shampoo mga scalp rescue,natures gate herbal, nutribiotic everyday clean.

    conditioners are ion effective care,kenra moisturizing condish,yes to cucumbers
    leavin im not sure of what to use
    pt gelatin,nexus emergency
    dt kenra moisturizing with oils,old triple nutrition
    aphogee keratin and green tea restructurizer spray
    everythin i use is sulfate and silicone free

    In my opinion, MGA Scalp Rescue is probably one of the most drying shampoos I have ever used, including sulfate ones. I gave it to my brother, who also couldn't use it because it was just so drying. Also, I would just use your regular conditioner and your leave in.

    Styling technique is just as important as your products. Here are some questions:
    How do you detangle?
    How do you dry your hair?
    Do you apply products to fresh out of shower wet hair or damp hair?
    Do you apply products upside down or rightside up?
    Do you rake in products or scrunch in products?
    Do you plop?
    What would be a typical routine for you? Like, what do you usually do to your hair? What did you do to it the last time you showered?
    Are you brush your hair when it's dry?

    A picture would be helpful.
    Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
    Lowpoo: Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
    Rinse Out:
    Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
    LI: Yes to Carrots
    Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
  • saralacysaralacy Posts: 56Registered Users
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    here goes the side profile picture is after i sotc and the picture of the back is the same day. Its not very clear i will try to take some better ones. And of course this is one of my better hair days but they are few and far between. I used tates miracle conditioner as a leave in and bioterras styling gel after that then airdried.
  • saralacysaralacy Posts: 56Registered Users
    Thanks for the heads up on mga shampoo. Lets see i detangle in the shower while conditioner is on. Sometimes i use my fingers or a wide tooth comb. I have applied product on both wet and damp hair i have not noticed a difference except it seems to take longer to dry when i apply to wet hair. I scrunch the products in, if i rake it kind of pulls my wave out. Then i scrunch with a aquis microfiber towel and leave it alone and let it air dry which takes 4ever. if im in a hurry i blow dry with my diffuser but it really makes my hair frizzy. I put my products in right side up, i tried the ice queen method and when i flip my hair upright the back is all wonky and i cant get it to lay right. I do notice that when my hairs wet its really wavy but as it dries the wave pulls out.
  • saralacysaralacy Posts: 56Registered Users
    oh and i do occasionally plop when i have more time and patience as i have a hard time with it. Why has no one invented a plopping towel that would be awesome! I do occasionally brush my 2nd day hair when it looks really piecey and messy it helps to reconform or smooth it back together. I havent been able to give up the brush because my hair is more on the straight side and it looks unkept. If i put it up in a pony tail ineed a brush or it looks like a hot mess. I tried finger combing and it does nothing.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    One issue that strikes me right away is that some of your hair may simply be too short to wave properly, because the pattern repeat is so large many wavies need a decent amount of length for hair to stop being wonky and start looking wavy. Often shorter hair doesn't plop well, it does need to be lightly scrunched as you are. Are you parting your hair? That can completely mess with wave pattern on the canopy.

    You might go to a super gentle shampoo at pH 4.5 to 5.5 based on one of the glucoside surfactants, no anionic surfactants. Olefin sulfonate (in the Nutribiotic and the MGA) is considered almost as harsh as sulphates! The Natures Gate herbal shampoo is packed with proteins.
    THE NATURAL HAVEN: Are sulfate free shampoos really gentler?
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/celebrities/ingredients-commonly-found-in-hair-care-products

    I also wonder if your protein-moisture balance is off, given you are using harsh shampoos every day and loads of protein rich products again on a daily basis. Protein is beneficial for fine hair, but moisture/ conditioning is essential if you are washing so often, protein build up can cause dryness or frizz. Yes to Cucumbers contains cetyl esters which are waxy - I had a terrible experience with the new formula Triple Nutrition which contains these and weighed my hair down terribly. Ingredients in conditioner that help maintain the correct moisture level and help strands lie together nicely/ clump are fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants.

    Also consider trying a film former type jelly, flaxseed or okra instead of hard hold commercial gels but TBH I'd resolve the shampoo and conditioner issues first.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    saralacy wrote: »
    Thanks for the heads up on mga shampoo. Lets see i detangle in the shower while conditioner is on. Sometimes i use my fingers or a wide tooth comb. I have applied product on both wet and damp hair i have not noticed a difference except it seems to take longer to dry when i apply to wet hair. I scrunch the products in, if i rake it kind of pulls my wave out. Then i scrunch with a aquis microfiber towel and leave it alone and let it air dry which takes 4ever. if im in a hurry i blow dry with my diffuser but it really makes my hair frizzy. I put my products in right side up, i tried the ice queen method and when i flip my hair upright the back is all wonky and i cant get it to lay right. I do notice that when my hairs wet its really wavy but as it dries the wave pulls out.

    When you towel scrunch try scrunching up and holding for a good 20 seconds and carefully letting it down. So that all over instead if "scrunch scrunch scrunch" in quick succession. I find that REALLY helps maintain my wave.
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Actually let me amend that to 10-20 seconds. You have to play around to find your best time. I call it mini plopping.
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • claudine191claudine191 Posts: 8,221Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I would gladly provide my routine if I had one; the only things I'm still doing regularly are using sulfate-free shampoo and silicone-free conditioner and plopping. I have a cut that is supposed to work with my hair type (straight on top, wavy or Botticelli curled on the sides).

    I have not found the "perfect" product for my hair, although Jessicurl comes closest. (But not the heavy shampoos or conditioners.)


    I get a lot of "wings" in the humidity. Hate it when that happens.
  • saralacysaralacy Posts: 56Registered Users
    Firefox thanks so much for your suggestions! I totally agree with you about not having enough length for the full effect of the wave. I always read your posts because you are truely knowledgeable about the information or subject. You are a true guru.

    So what shampoo and conditioner do you recomend. What about a leave in i shampoo my hair every 2 days is that too much or too little? How often do you suggest a pt or dt. I f you wouldnt mind to give me suggestions I feel like im in the dark as to what to do that would most benefit my hair.
  • saralacysaralacy Posts: 56Registered Users
    opps forgot i know all my properties but would like to be certain on my hair type? I ask this because i havent seen a lot of wavies with such a loose stretched out wave pattern. Thanks
  • HairObsessedHairObsessed Posts: 138Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I have a really stretched out wave pattern--we do exist on here! Lol. I consider myself a 2A.
    Wave Pattern: 2A
    Hair Properties: Normal/Low Porosity, Medium Density, Medium Texture w/Fine Straight Underlayer
    Co-wash: Suave Naturals, Cure Care
    Low-poo: Renpure Brazilian Keratin
    Rinse Out & Leave In: Tresemme Naturals
    Gel: LA Looks Mega Mega Hold Gel, Garnier Fructis Spray Gel
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I'm pretty stretched out.
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I'm having an "imposter" feeling day. I took a pic so you can see how loose my wave is without a hard gel. ImageUploadedByCurlTalk1374765426.417887.jpg
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • arelarel Posts: 54Registered Users
    I cannot offer much of an advice since I am in the same boat. And no, my hair is not short... is quite long at this point (almost BSL)

    There are days were I just can't deal with it and get super frustrated and put it up on a braid; and just refuse to continue with this idea of maybe being a wavy.

    Anyway, I am subscribing to see if I can get some light ....

    Good luck with your journey ;-)
    CO: VO5 KLSC Conditioner
    RO: SNCT
    PT: AIgirl's gelatin recipe

    Testing: LALSAG, AVG,
  • AlycatAlycat Posts: 58Registered Users
    If you don't know whether to go wavy or straight you might find the Tangle Teezer gives you a look you like.

    It's super gentle and if I use it on my wavy/curly/naturally messy hair when it is dry it pulls out all my curl and makes it smooth and nearly straight. I don't like that effect on my very fine hair because I lose all my volume, but you might.

    If I use it on wet hair and then scrunch and do everything I normally do to get it curly, I get much less fluff and a 'tidier', more even look - my hair grows in a very lopsided way and the TT seems to disguise that.

    There are You Tube videos showing before and after usage, which might help you decide what it would do to your hair. It certainly makes it feel softer and smoother but it also changes the look of the hair, and that may be great or terrible, depending on what you want.

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