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WavyRooWavyRoo Posts: 195Registered Users
Welllll...I think I'm going to have to go back to cones. I just can't seem to make purely CG products work for me. :(. Before CG, I used Aquage Defining Gel and really really liked it. I do have low poos with coco betaine- would it take care of build-up? Here are the ingredients...any serious red flags?

Water, PVP/VA Copolymer, Hydroxypropyl Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Propylene Glycol, Polyquaternium-4,PPG-24-Glycereth-24, Ascophyllum nodosum Extract, chondres crispus (carrageenen) extract, gellidiela acerosa extract, Hypnea Musiciformis Extract, Neptune Kelp Extract, palmaria palmata, extract, Sargassum Filipendula Extract, undaria pinnatifida extract, Peg-40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, PPG-10 Mehtyl Glucose Ether, Dimethicone Copolyol, Isopropyl Alcohol, Methylcellulose, Dimethicone Copolyol Phosphate, phosphate Sorbitol, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid, Diazolidinyl Urea, DMDM Hydantoin, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, cinnamidopropyltrimonium chloride, fragrance, guanine (C1 75170)

Also, can I have cones in both my gel AND my conditioner? I also miss my Redken fresh curls conditioner!
2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
LI: a touch of JCTS
Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works! :)
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  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Do your dew points and hair properties permit potent humectants? Propylene glycol is a major ingredient. You can use as few or as many cones as you like, different people have different levels of build up - what shampoo works depends on the amount of betaine and your wash technique. Some find polyquat-4 builds up and need sulphates, others do not. A clarify should hit all the hair, a regular wash is usually scalp only.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • WavyRooWavyRoo Posts: 195Registered Users
    I have mid to low dews and do really like humectants. Honey is the best thing I've ever done for my hair! I used this Aquage gel for years and years before trying CG and it's the only thing that consistently seemed to work for me. Defined waves, no frizz, if a little bit limper than I like. I am a little concerned about the polyquats, but I only seem to have problems with 7 and 11. I don't think I've used anything else with 4 (other than when I used to use this- but that's when I washed with sulfates). What do you mean by clarify vs regular wash? Are you referring to products or techniques? Is there a way to find higher betaine poos, other than just looking at the order of ingredients?

    I was hoping you'd reply, Firefox- I really do appreciate your level of knowledge!
    2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
    Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
    Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
    DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
    LI: a touch of JCTS
    Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
    Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works! :)
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users
    Biotera gel has PQ4 as the 2nd ingredient- I see it in your sig. So, if are good with that gel, this one by Aquage should be ok.

    Do whatever works for your hair! ;)
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • WavyRooWavyRoo Posts: 195Registered Users
    I didn't even realize that, Chloe...you're absolutely right. That's great news- I really like the bioterra gel occasionally but it doesn't have enough hold. You made my day:)
    2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
    Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
    Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
    DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
    LI: a touch of JCTS
    Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
    Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works! :)
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,970Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    This summer with the high dews, I've reverted back to cones and sulfates, and I'm satisfied with it for now. It doesn't seem to be harming my hair. I'm also doing an occasional PT and lots of DT.

    I am avoiding heat as much as possible - that seems to help also.

    Good luck - some people do fine with cones and sulfates.

    .
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
    Every day is a gift :flower:
  • WavyRooWavyRoo Posts: 195Registered Users
    Thanks, curlypearl- it's nice to hear that I'm not the only one! It feels like such a taboo...lol.
    2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
    Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
    Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
    DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
    LI: a touch of JCTS
    Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
    Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works! :)
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    I second what Curlypearl said. I've been modified CG for well over a year now (exactly how modified varies). When I went for my last Deva cut, the stylist raved about how healthy and moisturized my hair was- and that was before I explained that I use occasional silicones and sulfates, so it wasn't like she was saying that my hair was in good condition considering I was using non-CG products, she was saying that my hair was in great shape, period. I've long believed that it isn't the products that accounts for the dramatic changes some people see with CG- it's the awareness and the overall gentle technique that make the biggest difference. If it was all about product, then there wouldn't be so many non-CG people with gorgeous curls, and let's face it, there are plenty of them out there.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    I believe those cones are water soluble?

    Cones: List of water soluble/not

    DMDM Hydantoin releases formaldehyde and parabens mimic estrogen if you care about that sort of thing.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • WavyRooWavyRoo Posts: 195Registered Users
    Mimic estrogen, huh? What does that mean exactly?
    2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
    Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
    Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
    DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
    LI: a touch of JCTS
    Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
    Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works! :)
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users
    It's just hair - put on it whatever makes YOU happy :)
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    WavyRoo wrote: »
    I have mid to low dews and do really like humectants. Honey is the best thing I've ever done for my hair! I used this Aquage gel for years and years before trying CG and it's the only thing that consistently seemed to work for me. Defined waves, no frizz, if a little bit limper than I like. I am a little concerned about the polyquats, but I only seem to have problems with 7 and 11. I don't think I've used anything else with 4 (other than when I used to use this- but that's when I washed with sulfates). What do you mean by clarify vs regular wash? Are you referring to products or techniques? Is there a way to find higher betaine poos, other than just looking at the order of ingredients?

    I was hoping you'd reply, Firefox- I really do appreciate your level of knowledge!

    Aw thanks!

    Well that sounds like propylene glycol has a good chance of working for you, I like it in some weathers/ combinations but a disaster in others.

    Sorry, technique really: if I clarify I am looking to remove build up, usually from the lengths of my hair so give them a good massage. On a 'normal day' when I wash my hair I am cleaning sebum from my scalp and roots, don't really wash my lengths - certainly never did when I used shampoo (and had silicone build up ha ha!).

    Just look at the ingredients list and order for shampoos, I don't think the amount of betaine in, say, a cleansing conditioner would be enough to shift certain silicones or polyquats, ideally have the betaine as the first ingredient after water for your clarifying product. But experiment with what you have at home, if your hair doesn't feel right/ like build up you can always purchase another shampoo or nick a sulphate shampoo from someone else in your household.

    Using sulphates occasionally might give you unmanageable hair for a week - or it might give you great build up free hair - but it won't cause permanent damage. I avoid them like the plague but that is because I have sensitive eczematous skin and porous colour treated hair.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Sometimes, I consider rotating a few silicone products in my regimen because these non-silicone products tend to be expensive.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    There are definitely some good less expensive silicone-free products out there. There are a few threads floating around for budget-friendly CG products. My issue with most of the CG-friendly drugstore products I find is that I can't necessarily get the ingredients that I look for in a single product and I need to layer, mix, or otherwise alter many products to suit my preferences (in all fairness, I have found a few that I really like). But I find the same is true with non-CG products. Most of the drugstore brands that I've tried didn't really impress me. The handful of non-CG products that I use on a regular basis were still all salon brands anyway. And not for lack of trying, since I'm a horrible product junkie at heart.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Corrina777 wrote: »
    There are definitely some good less expensive silicone-free products out there. There are a few threads floating around for budget-friendly CG products. My issue with most of the CG-friendly drugstore products I find is that I can't necessarily get the ingredients that I look for in a single product and I need to layer, mix, or otherwise alter many products to suit my preferences (in all fairness, I have found a few that I really like). But I find the same is true with non-CG products. Most of the drugstore brands that I've tried didn't really impress me. The handful of non-CG products that I use on a regular basis were still all salon brands anyway. And not for lack of trying, since I'm a horrible product junkie at heart.

    No, I know, I actually use a lot of the budget friendly CG products. Except of course my KCCC which I still regret paying all that money for...lol. There are parts of me that see some cheaper silicone based products and I feel temped, after being silicone free for over a year, but like you just said, if they aren't impressive (silicone products), then it is back to square one. I think I am going to stick to where I am at- but keep my products under $10. But like you also said, I can be a PJ at heart at times...
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    If they work for you, then why not? Cones aren't the devil, at least for everyone. I've seen a lot of people go off them because they feel like they have to, and then be really unhappy with their hair. Some people do really well with cones. Same debate/struggle in the longhair community, too. I really don't think any ingredient should be vilified, because even if 99% of people don't do well with it, there's always going to be that 1% with amazing hair who do (or do in spite of it, lol). When I was growing my hair out I always wished cones would work for me because they would have made things a lot easier, but never happened. I kept trying, though. I don't learn from my mistakes, haha.
    3a/b, F, normal porosity

    Suave conditioner, LAL gel
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    If they work for you, then why not? Cones aren't the devil, at least for everyone. I've seen a lot of people go off them because they feel like they have to, and then be really unhappy with their hair. Some people do really well with cones. Same debate/struggle in the longhair community, too. I really don't think any ingredient should be vilified, because even if 99% of people don't do well with it, there's always going to be that 1% with amazing hair who do (or do in spite of it, lol). When I was growing my hair out I always wished cones would work for me because they would have made things a lot easier, but never happened. I kept trying, though. I don't learn from my mistakes, haha.

    Very true. Like Corinna777 stated, there are curlies who don't do the CG method, but still have beautiful hair. It definitely depends on how your hair responds. For example, I met this girl who had gorgeous curly hair. I asked if she did the CG method and she had no idea what it was.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    WavyRoo wrote: »
    Mimic estrogen, huh? What does that mean exactly?

    Parabens (Propyl, Isopropyl, Butyl, and Isobutylparabens): Parabens are estrogen-mimicking preservatives, found in breast cancer tumors of 19 of 20 women studied. The CDC has detected parabens in virtually all Americans surveyed. According to the European Commission’s Scientific Committee on Consumer Products, longer chain parabens like propyl and butyl paraben and their branched counterparts, isopropyl and isobutylparabens, may disrupt the endocrine system and cause reproductive and developmental disorders.

    Top tips for safer products | Skin Deep® Cosmetics Database | Environmental Working Group
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Re: cones... honestly if you have a low-poo w/ cocamidopropyl betaine or coco betaine that can dissolve cones yet is still gentle, I don't see why you can't use cones. I understand some people want to go the no-poo route, in which case they need to avoid cones as well... if you're using a cone-dissolving low-poo anyway there's no need to unnecessarily fear the cones. I like my Giovanni TTTT (non-stripping and does have c. betaine) so lately I've been thinking of re-incoroporating cones, but I haven't because I am mostly happy with my cone-less products.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    What I find with cones is that I get temporary relief from them - and then I get the "bill". More bad hair.
  • WavyRooWavyRoo Posts: 195Registered Users
    I haven't re-tried cones since going CG last November, so MAYBE they're what the doctor ordered...I suppose we'll see.

    So I'm a little concerned now about the parabens....geez. I looked and have a lot of products with parabens in them. Should I be scared?
    2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
    Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
    Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
    DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
    LI: a touch of JCTS
    Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
    Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works! :)
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    WavyRoo wrote: »
    Mimic estrogen, huh? What does that mean exactly?

    Parabens (Propyl, Isopropyl, Butyl, and Isobutylparabens): Parabens are estrogen-mimicking preservatives, found in breast cancer tumors of 19 of 20 women studied. The CDC has detected parabens in virtually all Americans surveyed. According to the European Commission’s Scientific Committee on Consumer Products, longer chain parabens like propyl and butyl paraben and their branched counterparts, isopropyl and isobutylparabens, may disrupt the endocrine system and cause reproductive and developmental disorders.

    Top tips for safer products | Skin Deep® Cosmetics Database | Environmental Working Group

    WOW, thank you for this. I honestly never knew why parabens were negative. I just knew not to use them. That is very scary honestly.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    WavyRoo wrote: »
    So I'm a little concerned now about the parabens....geez. I looked and have a lot of products with parabens in them. Should I be scared?

    I can't tell you whether or not to use them, I can only pass on relevant research so that everyone can make informed decisions. There is enough evidence for concern but I understand that everyone will make a personal decision as with anything in life. I like to avoid them myself. There are some products that I recently bought (I was rushed when reading the back) that have parabens and I will finish them but not repurchase. There are plenty of products out there that are paraben-free so I don't see the need to continue to monetarily endorse shady practices.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    WavyRoo wrote: »
    I haven't re-tried cones since going CG last November, so MAYBE they're what the doctor ordered...I suppose we'll see.

    So I'm a little concerned now about the parabens....geez. I looked and have a lot of products with parabens in them. Should I be scared?

    The research is equivocal and there are a lot of variables, I limit parabens and try not to use them in combination with ingredients that thin or damage the skin barrier or act as penetration enhancer. The skin is a semi permeable barrier, it evolved to keep water in and keep nasties out, but many modern skin and haircare products and techniques negatively affect that. Our skin did not evolve to have multiple products all containing multiple ingredients thrown at it every day, nor to be soaked/ wetted in the shower on a daily basis.

    For example I don't use any sulphate surfactants (hand wash, shower gel, toothpaste, hair dye etc), no alkaline products (baking soda, traditional soap), limit oils rich in oleic acid which is irritant and a penetration enhancer, don't exfoliate too often and don't soak my skin in the shower - again penetration enhancer.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • WavyRooWavyRoo Posts: 195Registered Users
    So it certainly makes sense to avoid parabens if they'll be in direct contact with my skin where they can be absorbed, but I wonder how much damage they can actually do if just applied in small amounts to my hair. I don't plan to slather my skin in any or inhale them (if that's even possible!) and I usually avoid applying products too close to my scalp - do you think that makes a difference? Some of my favorite products have them and I'd hate to give them up. But, I also clearly don't want breast cancer...!

    So if I do revert to silicones and use them daily, I probably need to low poo daily too, right? Ick. Right now I only low poo twice a month or so. Build-up hasn't ever seemed like too much of a problem for me even with my polyquat use. I guess I'd just have to try it and see how often my hair needs poo.
    2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
    Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
    Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
    DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
    LI: a touch of JCTS
    Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
    Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works! :)
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users
    I think you'll have to see how they build up. I would think low pooing weekly would do it.
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    chloe92us wrote: »
    I think you'll have to see how they build up. I would think low pooing weekly would do it.

    This. Also, keep in mind that certain cones do not build up at all. For example, cyclo-cones evaporate off of the hair during the drying process, and the family of silicones that includes amodimethicone will patch/deposit a single layer and then repel itself against additional layers, which is why it's such a popular ingredient in conditioners (I also suspect this is why amodimethicone seems to be better tolerated by some people). You might also want to experiment with using cones only in certain products vs. others. For example, I have no issues using cones in styling products, but don't do well with cones in cleansers or conditioners (except a designated LI).
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • itsKelCeeEeeitsKelCeeEee Posts: 1,084Registered Users
    I use methylparaben and propylparaben, because they're naturally derived and found in fruits such as berries (I loooove blueberries!) but I don't touch the other ones. I have enough breast trouble as it is.

    I love how easy silicones make it to detangle, but unfortunately they make my scalp itch :( The only one I can get away with is amodimethicone, but even too much of that gets the itches going if I'm not careful. :'(
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    Big Chop: 11/25/09
    Cottony/fluffy, medium/coarse, high density & porosity
    SL - APL - BSB - BSL - MBL - WL - HL
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    I use methylparaben and propylparaben, because they're naturally derived and found in fruits such as berries (I loooove blueberries!) but I don't touch the other ones. I have enough breast trouble as it is.

    I love how easy silicones make it to detangle, but unfortunately they make my scalp itch :( The only one I can get away with is amodimethicone, but even too much of that gets the itches going if I'm not careful. :'(

    This is soooooo off topic, but I absolutely love your sig pic. I always giggle when I see it.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    WavyRoo wrote: »
    I haven't re-tried cones since going CG last November, so MAYBE they're what the doctor ordered...I suppose we'll see.

    So I'm a little concerned now about the parabens....geez. I looked and have a lot of products with parabens in them. Should I be scared?

    The research is equivocal and there are a lot of variables, I limit parabens and try not to use them in combination with ingredients that thin or damage the skin barrier or act as penetration enhancer. The skin is a semi permeable barrier, it evolved to keep water in and keep nasties out, but many modern skin and haircare products and techniques negatively affect that. Our skin did not evolve to have multiple products all containing multiple ingredients thrown at it every day, nor to be soaked/ wetted in the shower on a daily basis.

    For example I don't use any sulphate surfactants (hand wash, shower gel, toothpaste, hair dye etc), no alkaline products (baking soda, traditional soap), limit oils rich in oleic acid which is irritant and a penetration enhancer, don't exfoliate too often and don't soak my skin in the shower - again penetration enhancer.

    I don't know what would make you say that all of the research done on parabens is "equivocal." The SkinDeep site is useful in that their cautions are backed up by a variety of studies, many of which are found in scientific journals which you can look up yourself. Here's an example for propylparaben: PROPYLPARABEN || Skin Deep® Cosmetics Database | Environmental Working Group Check the citations on the bottom.

    Remember that you yourself have posted several times that sodium lauryl
    sulfate cause thinning of the skin, and pointed me to the study UK Public Assessment Reports on drug safety : MHRA. AFAIK, this is the only study that links sls and thinning of the skin, and it is a admittedly a small study as it is only comprised of 71 subjects. The writers of the article also wrote: "Aqueous cream contains sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS) which may cause local
    skin reactions (eg, stinging and contact dermatitis), particularly in children with atopic eczema. Other ingredients such as preservatives may also contribute to skin reactions." The results could have been given off by preservatives, but the researches thought that the culprit was probably the sls, with the preservatives possibly worsening or contributing to the result. Note that this study was done with sls in an aqueous cream... not in a wash-off cleansing product. The aqueous cream itself is a variable in this study.

    That being said, this small study was enough to raise my eyebrow! I had been avoiding sulfates for years anyway because they were harsh on my hair and skin and recently got my allergic, eczema-prone mom off sulfates too, because it's best to be on the safe side.

    The point that I'm trying to make is that you seem to take certain studies very seriously, but then are quick to wave off an entire body of research as "equivocal" with nothing scientific to back your claim. I realize that you yourself had bad experiences with sulfates, and cutting them made a markable change for the better. The thing with ingredients like parabens is they could be interfering with your hormones without you knowing or noticing... that doesn't make them any less potent just because you do not see the damage.

    I realize that you followed with "I limit parabens..." but you started with "The research is equivocal." No it's not "equivocal" ....at least not more equivocal than all the other scientific research out there on any other topic, including the research on sls and thinning skin.

    I'm asking for consistency here and a little bit of respect for the information I put forward. If you choose not to believe any of the research that's fine, but that doesn't mean the research itself is bunk.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

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  • CubanwavyCubanwavy Posts: 293Registered Users
    My hair is at its best with cones and sulfate!
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