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Polyquats

Besides frizz when wet, what other negative issues do you have when using products with polyquats?
Type 2B - 3A
Med-High Porosity (partial highlights), medium & corse mixed textures

CG Day 1: May 16, 2013

Poo: CJ Daily Fix Cleansing Condish (as needed)
CO: Tresemme Naturals Vibrantly Smooth Condish
RO&LI: CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil Daily Hair Condish
Styling: CJ Pattern Pusha or FSG, TRESemme Flawless Curls - Bouncy Curls Defining Gel, Giovanni LANaturals HardHold Gel (canopy only)
DT: CJ Curl Rehab, Coconut oil, SS Repairing PT

Techniques: Scrunch-n-pump, tshirt wrap

Comments

  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    For me it was just the worst build up ever. There is nothing I can compare it to. My hair felt disgusting and it wouldn't low poo clean, so I couldn't use conditioner properly.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    ^^^^ This! It only happened with one gel- it had a PQ as the 2nd ingredient. My hair felt like it had a plastic film on it that I couldn't wash out. I had to use a sulphate poo after low pooing twice. It felt like that wet and dry. I did not have the frizzy-when-wet thing.

    I still use styling products with PQs and haven't had another episode like that. It was that one particular gel (biotera) that gave me the issue.
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • turquoisecurlsturquoisecurls Posts: 134Registered Users
    My hair was frizzy when wet and dry did not curl anymore and felt like straw. It took a sulfate loaded shampoo twice to get it out. My offender was Curl Keeper.
    2c/3a cg 01/10/13

    Hair Properties: low( first 4 inches) / high porosity, medium density, fine/medium texture Climate : hot humid summer, coastal GA

    Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut / Everlasting Sunshine, V05
    Rinse out :Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture, VO5 ocean refresh
    LI: SMCHM ,SMCS, JCRR,
    Gel: La Looks sport, Volumax mega gel,Biosilk Rock Hard gel my HG

    Love ACV , pedaheh's gelatin treatment
    My hair hates everything Deva curl and Curl Keeper,
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Oh and my offender was Curls in a Bottle, polyquat 10.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • alslgirl2002alslgirl2002 Posts: 210Registered Users
    This is all very interesting to me. Keep it coming!
    Type 2B - 3A
    Med-High Porosity (partial highlights), medium & corse mixed textures

    CG Day 1: May 16, 2013

    Poo: CJ Daily Fix Cleansing Condish (as needed)
    CO: Tresemme Naturals Vibrantly Smooth Condish
    RO&LI: CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil Daily Hair Condish
    Styling: CJ Pattern Pusha or FSG, TRESemme Flawless Curls - Bouncy Curls Defining Gel, Giovanni LANaturals HardHold Gel (canopy only)
    DT: CJ Curl Rehab, Coconut oil, SS Repairing PT

    Techniques: Scrunch-n-pump, tshirt wrap
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Not all polyquats cause problems, it is a huge family of ingredients with different properties - some are completely water soluble, some not.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • alslgirl2002alslgirl2002 Posts: 210Registered Users
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    Not all polyquats cause problems, it is a huge family of ingredients with different properties - some are completely water soluble, some not.

    Is there a list of these water soluble polyquats? I thought there was an article that listed some.
    Type 2B - 3A
    Med-High Porosity (partial highlights), medium & corse mixed textures

    CG Day 1: May 16, 2013

    Poo: CJ Daily Fix Cleansing Condish (as needed)
    CO: Tresemme Naturals Vibrantly Smooth Condish
    RO&LI: CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil Daily Hair Condish
    Styling: CJ Pattern Pusha or FSG, TRESemme Flawless Curls - Bouncy Curls Defining Gel, Giovanni LANaturals HardHold Gel (canopy only)
    DT: CJ Curl Rehab, Coconut oil, SS Repairing PT

    Techniques: Scrunch-n-pump, tshirt wrap
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Is there a list of these water soluble polyquats? I thought there was an article that listed some.

    I found this. Very easy and laid out. I do not know if it's all the polyquats. This article isn't scholarly or anything, but should do the job none-the-less.

    Polyquats:
    Polyquaternium | Bluesun
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Is there a list of these water soluble polyquats? I thought there was an article that listed some.

    I found this. Very easy and laid out. I do not know if it's all the polyquats. This article isn't scholarly or anything, but should do the job none-the-less.

    Polyquats:
    Polyquaternium | Bluesun

    It says polyquat 10 is water soluable and polyquat 4 should have little build up, but those two are some of the most common offenders on this board, so I'm not sure how well this all translates. Of course many people use these products and have no issues with, so maybe some of us just have weird hair.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • unepetitepruneunepetiteprune Posts: 46Registered Users
    So...is polyquat-4 CG-friendly or not? I checked the gel I've been using and it has polyquat-69 which isn't listed in the article. I haven't had any issues with that gel so far...but I recently tried HETT mousse and HESMU which both have polyquat-4 and I hope I don't have to remove it with a sulfate shampoo now..:S
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    This pretty much goes for anything, if you're using it and not experiencing build up, leave it be.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I have problems with 4, 7 and 10, that I know of, so I stay away from all polyquats.

    In the definition of 10, they use the term "film former." For me, the film doesn't come off without a stronger surfactant and several washes.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Is there a list of these water soluble polyquats? I thought there was an article that listed some.

    I found this. Very easy and laid out. I do not know if it's all the polyquats. This article isn't scholarly or anything, but should do the job none-the-less.

    Polyquats:
    Polyquaternium | Bluesun

    It says polyquat 10 is water soluable and polyquat 4 should have little build up, but those two are some of the most common offenders on this board, so I'm not sure how well this all translates. Of course many people use these products and have no issues with, so maybe some of us just have weird hair.

    Unfortunately, I don't have any personal negative experiences with PQ's, but you are right, I have noticed 10 and 4 being a general issue on here. I don't know how accurate everything is. I just liked how it was so plainly laid out. Unfortunately I couldn't find more of a scholarly article, so this one is a little iffy since it has '.com,' but I figured it would assist with just a jump start at least.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    My PQ problem was with PQ4 as the 2nd ingredient in a gel. However, one of my favorite gels has PQ10 (I think!) as one of the top ingredients and I don't have a problem with that....so, who knows!!!???
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • wheretostartwheretostart Posts: 244Registered Users
    I have been using CIAB for the last week or so - I guess I like it ok, but no more or less than anything else I've tried. If there is a chance of buildup I'd prefer not to use it over something without polyquats. So many things to learn!
    3A/2C fine, normal porosity & elasticity, medium high density

    Current products:
    YTCucs Color Protection Low poo
    GVP Conditioning Balm
    Random gels - not sure which ones I like, if any at this point!


    HG Summer Routine:
    poo - TMW Hydrate
    RO & LI - Darcy's Pumpkin Seed
    Leave in Products: CHSCK & LALMG
    PT - CJ RM
    DT - EVCO

    Currently trying to figure out a winter routine and transition to a less harsh "poo" for summer.
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    I have been using CIAB for the last week or so - I guess I like it ok, but no more or less than anything else I've tried. If there is a chance of buildup I'd prefer not to use it over something without polyquats. So many things to learn!

    I loved CIAB, but it built up on me in less than a week. If you've been using for longer, you're probably fine. No point in wasting the bottle.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • JhtdrtJhtdrt Posts: 56Registered Users
    I've had issues with polyquats twice. The first time was biotera gel and I couldn't figure out what was wrong with my hair other than it was terrible and kept getting worse. I had to use a sulfate shampoo twice to fix it. This morning I tried HESMU. I knew as it was putting it on my hair it wasn't going to work. It dried all tangly and nasty. I had to wash again with sulfate shampoo. No more polyquats for me. Especially number four.
  • wheretostartwheretostart Posts: 244Registered Users
    I have been using CIAB for the last week or so - I guess I like it ok, but no more or less than anything else I've tried. If there is a chance of buildup I'd prefer not to use it over something without polyquats. So many things to learn!

    I loved CIAB, but it built up on me in less than a week. If you've been using for longer, you're probably fine. No point in wasting the bottle.

    Technically - I've only had 3 washes - in that time - so I've only used it that many times. lol. I just have a smal sample bottle - I'll use it up, but won't order a full sized bottle.
    3A/2C fine, normal porosity & elasticity, medium high density

    Current products:
    YTCucs Color Protection Low poo
    GVP Conditioning Balm
    Random gels - not sure which ones I like, if any at this point!


    HG Summer Routine:
    poo - TMW Hydrate
    RO & LI - Darcy's Pumpkin Seed
    Leave in Products: CHSCK & LALMG
    PT - CJ RM
    DT - EVCO

    Currently trying to figure out a winter routine and transition to a less harsh "poo" for summer.
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    HESMU made it feel like there was a yucky plastic film on my hair. I was low-pooing regularly at the time I tried it, but it took more than one or two low-pooings to remove the buildup. (That was years ago, before people awakened to the fact that it could be better for our hair just to do a single, clarifying sulfate cleanse, and get on with it.) I wasn't sure which ingredient or combination of ingredients caused that, but I chucked it.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • RafterBatRafterBat Posts: 180Registered Users Curl Novice
    Another polyquat thread that was useful to a relative newbie, so bumping...
    2c, coarse, low elasticity, medium/high density; varied porosity, protein- and coconut-sensitive
    Winter: Acure Ultra-Hydrating Shampoo & Conditioner; then KCCC
    Summer: CJ Daily Fix and Smoothing Conditioner; then CJ Beauticurls (and on days when I want more polish or definition) CJ Pattern Pusha
    DT: Sally's GVPCB, mixed with sunflower and olive oils 

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