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Does anyone with loose waves find clumps DON'T work for them?

kaykrekaykre Posts: 314Registered Users
I'm 2A-B depending on the day and I've always aimed for clumps because I thought the only other option was stringy hair.

Today I had my first Deva cut (which was awesome btw) and I was explaining my hair woes to the stylist. The stylist was asking what my goals are, what I usually do, etc and I explained that I try to encourage clumps but that they never turn out quite right.

She told me that she thinks clumping generally works best on curls and that often if wavies try to clump too much it can look like wavy hair that is trying to be curly. She said that curly hair clumps into nice chunky ringlets but waves sometimes clump into just thick sections of slightly waved hair. That was exactly what I'd been experiencing!

So she went about styling my hair and said that as a loose wavy I should aim for softness and volume. At the end, I had nice big beachy waves that were neither clumpy nor stringy. Just lovely, soft, natural waves.

I must say I've never aimed for that but I think I strongly prefer it. Anyone else find this to be true?
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.

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  • AKgirlAKgirl Posts: 341Registered Users
    Ooh can I see a pic!? I find I like it as long as it doesn't look stringy. Too many clumps are not good for my hair either.
    2a-2bFii NP?

    Low poo: Deva Low-Poo, Jessicurl GLS, Moroccanoil Volumizing Shampoo, Aveda Be Curly
    Condish: Cure Care, Redken Body Full, Deva One C, and Jessicurl Aloeba
    LI: Aveda Be Curly Style Prep <3
    Products: Deva FFVF & Jessicurl Spiralicious (LOVE), TRESemme Curl Boosting Mousse
    Hairspray: Aussie Sprunch, TRESemme Curl
    locking Spray
    Experimenting with lots of products in my cabinet...


    My hair loves protein, plopping, and diffusing! Trying to find a way to style and air dry.
  • kaykrekaykre Posts: 314Registered Users
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    There's a bit of frizz because its monsoon season and the dew point is like 70 :(
    2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
    Dry climate.

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  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Yeah, I think I can relate to that. If my hair clumps they are HUGE and just bumpy. I am indeed finding smaller strand clumps...strumps :) .... work better. And I do, when and if it gets stringly looking, comb it out and then it looks like a roller set, which is fine. (Lucky you on a Deva cut! I really would like to try that, but when mine is longer I think I will go for long layers. I suspect it will work better....maybe...ugh. Cutting decisions are an issue for me.)
  • kaykrekaykre Posts: 314Registered Users
    chupie wrote: »
    Yeah, I think I can relate to that. If my hair clumps they are HUGE and just bumpy. I am indeed finding smaller strand clumps...strumps :) .... work better. And I do, when and if it gets stringly looking, comb it out and then it looks like a roller set, which is fine. (Lucky you on a Deva cut! I really would like to try that, but when mine is longer I think I will go for long layers. I suspect it will work better....maybe...ugh. Cutting decisions are an issue for me.)

    I actually didn't get much off... She dusted the ends and cut the individuals waves that were layers... I already had layers but she cut them so the waves laid better :pl:
    2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
    Dry climate.

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  • dresdendolldresdendoll Posts: 435Registered Users
    So pretty! That makes a lot of sense. I always use KCCC to make my hair super clumpy, and it looks really ringlet-y and curly for a while, but then the curls droop and drop. I'll try aiming for the beach wave next time! What products did you use?
    2c/2b with some 2a, coarse, dense, thick, low porosity
    Growing out a CL bob. Currently at APL.
    CG again as of 7/20/12 :laughing5:


    Cleanser: BRÖÖ Smoothing I.P.A. Shampoo
    RO: Trader Joe's Nourish Spa Conditioner
    LI: Kinky-Curly Knot Today
    Styler: Beautiful Curls Gel for Wavy to Curly Hair

    :love4: all-natural products, light moisture, humectants, argan oil
    :pukeright:silk protein, synthetic ingredients, heavy oils/products, cowashing
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Me me!!!!!!!

    I have no idea how to style unclumpy (I was actually going to start a thread about this myself) because most of the techniques on this board are for encouraging clumps!

    I like my clumps sometimes, but not always, and I really want to know how to acheieve an alternative! When my hair is super clumpy I generally lose volume... a BIG bummer for me. (I actually started a thread about this... http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/2/160244-im-struggling-definition-vs-volume.html)

    BTW I think your hair looks great! Did she suggest any ways to style unclumpy?
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

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  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    I started aiming for smaller clumps about a year ago. There are a few things that seem to work for me, in terms of technique. First, I try to stick to thinner gels. No Eco Styler for me. I also use a combo rake and scrunch technique- I've found that the raking breaks up the clumps, and with a strong hold gel I can still scrunch back my curls. The last thing I just noticed last week- I've been experimenting with applying product to less than soaking wet hair and the results have been fantastic.
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    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Corrina777 wrote: »
    I started aiming for smaller clumps about a year ago. There are a few things that seem to work for me, in terms of technique. First, I try to stick to thinner gels. No Eco Styler for me. I also use a combo rake and scrunch technique- I've found that the raking breaks up the clumps, and with a strong hold gel I can still scrunch back my curls. The last thing I just noticed last week- I've been experimenting with applying product to less than soaking wet hair and the results have been fantastic.

    Thinner clumps is very different from "soft waves" or unclumpy though. I achieve thinner clumps the same way you do (raking in, applying to nonsoaking hair, protein also tends to break up my clumps a little more). Thinner clumps mean more volume for me but it also means my hair is more... see-through? I actually prefer bigger clumps if it weren't for the loss of volume.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    Corrina777 wrote: »
    I started aiming for smaller clumps about a year ago. There are a few things that seem to work for me, in terms of technique. First, I try to stick to thinner gels. No Eco Styler for me. I also use a combo rake and scrunch technique- I've found that the raking breaks up the clumps, and with a strong hold gel I can still scrunch back my curls. The last thing I just noticed last week- I've been experimenting with applying product to less than soaking wet hair and the results have been fantastic.

    Thinner clumps is very different from "soft waves" or unclumpy though. I achieve thinner clumps the same way you do (raking in, applying to nonsoaking hair, protein also tends to break up my clumps a little more). Thinner clumps mean more volume for me but it also means my hair is more... see-through? I actually prefer bigger clumps if it weren't for the loss of volume.

    To soften the look of clumps (what I think you're talking about), best bet would probably be a lighter hold product and/or some very careful finger combing post-SOTC. Looking at the picture above, I see smaller clumps, but they are less defined than many of the pics I see, and look similar to the results I get if I use a light hold gel.
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    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    I know what she means. I get Medusa-noodle-head from loads of certain gels when aiming for clumping, others can give me horrible tiny stringlets when wet that join together into soft bouncy ringlets when they dry. I've been wondering if it's film formers that work best for me, not mega hold at all.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Corrina777 wrote: »
    To soften the look of clumps (what I think you're talking about), best bet would probably be a lighter hold product and/or some very careful finger combing post-SOTC. Looking at the picture above, I see smaller clumps, but they are less defined than many of the pics I see, and look similar to the results I get if I use a light hold gel.

    Hmmmmmm.... I think I've tried this with SS CEJ and I didn't quite like the results. Maybe I should keep working on it!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    Most recently, I found Mop Top Light Hold Gel gave me softer definition, but I've also gotten similar results with Curl Keeper used alone with LI.
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    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Obviously this isn't something I can achieve myself, but I love the less producty wave look. It just seems more natural and nicer. I know the look preferred/aimed for here is more noodley, but I support the volume.

    I really like her hair.
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    *I had to grab this picture from the site. Everyone wants wavy hair, so almost all the google pictures are fake wavy hair.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • kaykrekaykre Posts: 314Registered Users
    dresdendoll: she used devacurl low poo, one condition, ultra defining gel, and set it up and above. :)

    wavydaze: she didn't really aim to break up clumps she just didn't so anything to really encourage them, iykwim.... Basically, she low pood and and conditioned me upright then used her hands to scrunch out a tiny bit of water (I usually apply to soaking wet but she saids water can pull down waves). Then she squeezed and scrunched the gel in my hair section by section... She kind of grabbed sections vertically and squeezed then did a traditional scrunching method.. Then blotted with microfiber and scrunched in a bit of pomade (this seemed to make it dry not crunchy yet gave hold). Then she clipped me and put me under a dryer. When she SOTC, she gently fluffed my hair.

    corrina777: do you do the ouidad rake and shake?

    firefox7275: I get the medusa noodle effect. I don't think my hair has enough curly to clump into the nice thick ringlets (well, except for the odd ringlet I sometimes get in the under layers). What stylers are film formers? Also, what are your thoughts on Rockin Ringlets? I see it in your signature and have been thinking of trying it.

    jessiebanana: I agree... I notice the goal for most wavies here is the clumpy noodle look. For me, I can coax my hair into clumpy curls but within a few hours they fall into weird clumpy waves and its not pretty. The girl in the picture has gorgeous hair...,really makes me want to grow mine.
    2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
    Dry climate.

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  • heyhoheyho Posts: 55Registered Users
    Yes, I definitely find this! It's why I don't use gel anymore - the clumps formed/held with gel fall apart over the course of a day. It felt silly and I want to work with my actual pattern, rather than create a slowly crumbling facade every day.
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    Kaykre- I don't use the Ouidad rake and shake, but it's probably similar. Their technique involves applying gel to small sections of hair and is way too time consuming for me (I'm pretty lazy about the time and effort I'm willing to put into my hair). Basically I apply LI and/or curl cream while my head is upside down (primarily smoothing/raking, with maybe a quick scrunch at the end). Then I flip right side up and apply my gel in a total of 5 small blobs. First blob is smoothed over the canopy because this seems to help prevent wonky part issues, especially on days when I diffuse. Then I divide my hair into 3 sections- left, right, and back and apply the gel with combo rake/scrunch, with my focus on making sure that the gel is well distributed (I have thick hair, so it's very easy to miss spots). After I finish all the sections, I flip my head upside down again and use a very small amount of gel and scrunch to reshape curls. Then I plop while I get dressed, and if I feel like my hair is very heavy (with water and/or product), I use the same flour sack towel to gently scrunch out some water when I take down the plop. Then I do a quick check in the mirror to make sure nothing looks really crazy, might do an extra scrunch or adjust my part if I need to. Unless I diffuse, my total active styling time is under 5 minutes, and this was still the case even when my hair was longer.
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    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    kaykre wrote: »
    firefox7275: I get the medusa noodle effect. I don't think my hair has enough curly to clump into the nice thick ringlets (well, except for the odd ringlet I sometimes get in the under layers). What stylers are film formers? Also, what are your thoughts on Rockin Ringlets? I see it in your signature and have been thinking of trying it.

    Hydrolysed protein and mucilage extracts (okra, flaxseed) are some of the main film formers we use. Aloe vera can be a film former, also some of the ingredients in Kinky Curly Knot Today - but AV doesn't play nicely in all dew points and KCKT is pH 7 so I can't say how they work as styling aids. I *think* xanthan gum is, there is also sclerotium gum but that is more used in skincare AFAIK.

    I really did not like RR the first few times, decent clumps broke up into stringlets and I didn't feel curl boost where I needed it either. I liked it MUCH better when I tried again without any gel over the top for a casual look. Also liked the effect of conditioner only styling with loads of a protein rich conditioner - that is why I am coming round to the idea that plenty of true conditioner (cationic surfactants, fatty alcohol) plus a film former and not hard hold products work better for my hair type.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    others can give me horrible tiny stringlets when wet that join together into soft bouncy ringlets when they dry

    Tell me MORE!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    oh, wavydaze, that made me giggle. Yeah, I've also had gels dry completely different than they looked when wet. Aussie Instant Freeze was one. Looked lank and stiff when crunchy and then ringlety and soft once I SOTC. Too bad it still left my hair feeling crunchy even post crunch.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • curlytwirlykatecurlytwirlykate Posts: 142Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    others can give me horrible tiny stringlets when wet that join together into soft bouncy ringlets when they dry

    Tell me MORE!

    Hahaha!

    I get this, and it's my absolute favourite way to style my hair! I've been focusing on clumps with a strong-hold gel for a few months now, but this thread inspired me to go back to my usual styling routine:

    Scrunch out excess water with a t-shirt
    Plop for about 10 minutes with the same t-shirt
    Gently scrunch in Desert Essence's Shine and Define Lotion to the tips ONLY! DO NOT TOUCH THE ROOTS.

    It was a stringy mess while wet. Like, terrible. I refused to leave my house and seriously contemplated wetting it all again.

    But when it dried (which took 30 minutes instead of the 3 hours it takes with gel), my hair looked fab. Bouncy, lots of volume, fun ringlets, and something closer to my normal curl pattern (3A... with gel/clumping, I've been more of a 2B/2C).

    So. I don't have loose waves, but I'm also finding that clumping does NOT give me the desired results!
    3A/2C | fine | high-po length, low-po roots | medium density | shoulder-length

    Shower Time!
    Treat: EVCO
    Co-Wash: DE Unscented Condish with added lavender and tea tree EOs
    Condish: DE Coconut Condish with added local honey

    Styling
    After Shower: Homemade FSG with added gelatine

    + bi-weekly protein DIY treatments (gelatin and egg yolk)
    + mindful nutrition
  • kaykrekaykre Posts: 314Registered Users
    Just an update... It is so difficult to style waves to be neither clumpy nor stringy. wavydaze.... Now that I've been experimenting I totally get what you mean!

    Basically I have been raking in leave in, raking in some gel, and then scrunching in more gel. Sometimes I get nice soft waves and sometimes I get a stringy mess. There's no consistency. Guess its back to the drawing board. :sad10:

    So far the best results have been simply scrunching in my leave in and styler into soaking wet hair... And scrunching very little. Doesn't encourage too much clumping and I don't get stringy-ness.
    2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
    Dry climate.

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  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    What I am discovering (I think) is I need to scrunch more and well as scrunch and pump. Way more. Another thing about clumps is it may be more about uniform sized clumps as opposed to thicker or thinner.
  • heyhoheyho Posts: 55Registered Users
    I've been getting nice results from combing through my conditioner (both RO and LI - I rake and then comb) with a wide tooth comb. I get much better product distribution than from just using my fingers, and it seems to help form softer, less clumpy waviness when dry. All I do afterwards is minimal scrunching with a curl cloth to remove excess water/conditioner and it ends up drying really nicely by itself.

    Also, I saw this the other day and thought of this thread:

    Good Frizz? “Controlled Volume” | Scott Musgrave Hair
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Ladies, lately what I've been doing to not get clumps is through conditioner only styling. I squeeze out all the water out of my hair in the shower. I rake in conditioner (SS Caitlins) sometimes emulsifying it Chupie-style. This breaks up all the clumps but gives me the best even distribution. Sometimes I will scrunch again, sometimes not. Airdry while even ::gasp:: moving my hair around. The final product is a little messy, as in some pieces are wavier than others, but the frizz is down and this is the easiest easiest style for me. 2nd day hair looks great, usually better than 1st day and I can even push 3rd day hair. No gel, no crunch, no clumps. I actually also like the clumpy gel "noodle look"! I get more compliments when my hair is "noodley" and if I plop it makes me wavier and spiraley-er but the noodle-look is higher maintenance.

    I want to post some pics as soon as I figure how to add a blob of some sort over my face!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Can't wait to see pics. Yeah that dies give really nice "strumps".
  • WavyRooWavyRoo Posts: 195Registered Users
    Yes- show us both noodley and conditioner styled! I'm very curious...
    2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
    Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
    Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
    DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
    LI: a touch of JCTS
    Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
    Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works! :)
  • kaykrekaykre Posts: 314Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    Ladies, lately what I've been doing to not get clumps is through conditioner only styling. I squeeze out all the water out of my hair in the shower. I rake in conditioner (SS Caitlins) sometimes emulsifying it Chupie-style. This breaks up all the clumps but gives me the best even distribution. Sometimes I will scrunch again, sometimes not. Airdry while even ::gasp:: moving my hair around. The final product is a little messy, as in some pieces are wavier than others, but the frizz is down and this is the easiest easiest style for me. 2nd day hair looks great, usually better than 1st day and I can even push 3rd day hair. No gel, no crunch, no clumps. I actually also like the clumpy gel "noodle look"! I get more compliments when my hair is "noodley" and if I plop it makes me wavier and spiraley-er but the noodle-look is higher maintenance.

    I want to post some pics as soon as I figure how to add a blob of some sort over my face!

    I'm going to try this... Ty! Will any conditioner work?


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    Dry climate.

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  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    kaykre wrote: »
    I'm going to try this... Ty! Will any conditioner work?

    I've tried 3 for this purposes: SM Curl & Style Milk, Caitlin's Condish, Shescentit Okra Reconstructor.

    The Shescentit was nice, lighter but didn't work for me because it had too many humectants. I really do have to avoid those in my humid, high dew area. The SM C&S Milk and Caitlin's both gave me good and similar results, i think I prefer the Caitlin's though.

    The weird thing is that it doesn't look as good 1st day as it does 2nd day... I think amount has to do with it as well. Like for me it takes like a full 24 hours for the conditioner to fully absorb, especially the SM one since it's much more full of oils. Usually I will wake up the next day though and my hair feels completely product-less and looks better. There is a trade-off though.... I don't have as much definition though and it's more 2a. :/ The good thing about it is that I can be so entirely lazy and I get more mileage without touchups.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Sorry, to answer your question, you can use any conditioner keeping in mind dew points.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Janicke31Janicke31 Posts: 53Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    others can give me horrible tiny stringlets when wet that join together into soft bouncy ringlets when they dry

    Tell me MORE!

    Hahaha!

    I get this, and it's my absolute favourite way to style my hair! I've been focusing on clumps with a strong-hold gel for a few months now, but this thread inspired me to go back to my usual styling routine:

    Scrunch out excess water with a t-shirt
    Plop for about 10 minutes with the same t-shirt
    Gently scrunch in Desert Essence's Shine and Define Lotion to the tips ONLY! DO NOT TOUCH THE ROOTS.

    It was a stringy mess while wet. Like, terrible. I refused to leave my house and seriously contemplated wetting it all again.

    But when it dried (which took 30 minutes instead of the 3 hours it takes with gel), my hair looked fab. Bouncy, lots of volume, fun ringlets, and something closer to my normal curl pattern (3A... with gel/clumping, I've been more of a 2B/2C).

    So. I don't have loose waves, but I'm also finding that clumping does NOT give me the desired results!

    Kate, the only product you put in is the desert essence?


    Sent from my HUAWEI-M931 using CurlTalk App
    2b, Fine, Low density, Normal porosity.

    Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

    Lo-poo: SM yucca
    Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
    LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

    Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet :oops:, Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

    Live in Miami where it's really HUMID:pukel:
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