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I have 2b to 3a hair. But I'm having a lot of trouble keeping in the curls. I was with cond that is CG approved, put in a leave in while upside down. (Mixed chicks leave in cond) and put in KCCC upside down, all while wet, plop for about 20 minutes and diffuse until about 3/4 dry. My hair takes a while to dry and its pretty thin and the diffusing helps lock in curls and give it some body. I have damage because I have been straightening my hair for years so I don't expect it to curl really well everywhere. The KCCC really seems to help define my curls, but it gets crunchy, so after its dry I SOTC, but I lose most of my curls! I'm doing it gently. Any ideas of what I can try?

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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    First thing you need to do is identify your hair properties. Here's a link to help Curly Hair Basics | Live Curly Live Free It's the best way to choose ingredients.

    Mixed Chicks li has Amodimethicone and Emulsifying Wax as the third and forth ingredients. May be causing build up for you, especially if you're not using something to remove them.

    Do you have a cut with appropriate layers?? That helps to lighten things up--helps the curls to stay in place once they are "set." If your hair is fine and damaged, you may need to add a lot more protein into your regime (and depending on your hair, counter with moisture) to strengthen your curl pattern and maintain the curl.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • allie.clark.allie.clark. Posts: 36Registered Users
    Holy smokes! I got that leave in when I was first starting CG and didn't realize it had cones and wax in it! As for my hair type, I have not been able to make sense of it. Will a clarifying shampoo get out all the crap
    I've been putting in it?
    As for proteins, my cond has wheat protein in it and I'm pretty sure Shea moisture curling cream has protein too? So I am getting some. I have Aussie 3 minute miracle and coconut oil that I can do a deep treatment with. Which would you recommend after I wash the stuff out I shouldn't have put in?
  • allie.clark.allie.clark. Posts: 36Registered Users
    Oh btw yes, I had to drive over an hour to a Solon that was trained with the CG method to get a proper haircut with layers. Oddly though she used deva products and they didn't make my hair curl very well.
    Thanks for the article link. I think that was the best one I have read to explain it. I have mixed hair texture but I think it's mostly medium and high porosity.
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    Hair type is relatively unimportant because it's transient depending on products, techniques, dewpoint, etc. It's properties that helps (and helps people give you advice.) I wouldn't make any suggestions without knowing your properties. My fine/low porosity hair doesn't like straight oil/butter, but does like them in well formulated products. I don't know the ingredients of the Aussie product. I'd read the ingredients carefully (as you should do with anything you put in your hair) before using it.

    Clarifying shampoo will remove things, but you may be able to use a lowpoo. IMHO, wheat protein isn't the best. It's a cheap by product of manufacturing other products. Not sure which SM product you're using. I find that the Coconut Hibiscus line just sits on my hair and has to be washed out. Some protein molecules are too large to be absorbed, so you may not be getting the protein you think you are.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Agree with KathyMack, work with your hair properties and dew points/ humidity when choosing ingredients and products. Beneficial ingredients for damaged hair include hydrolysed protein, coconut oil, ceramides and panthenol. An imbalance of certain humectants (attract water) or occlusives (sealants/ barrier) ingredients can cause hair to flop.

    Glycerin and/ or silicone in the Mixed Chicks could be causing an issue, amodimethicone resists build up tho so I don't think that is the main culprit. Shea butter can also build up and weigh thin or fine hair down. Interestingly Devacurl products also contain glycerin.

    Are you sure your hair is 100% bone dry when you SOTC? Being crunchy doesn't necessarily denote dryness, some products or combinations go crunchy then soften up as they dry fully many hours later. Humectants will substantially slow drying time in certain climates and there are even more humectants (aloe vera and agave nectar) in your Curling Custard. Too many humectants could well be why your thin hair is taking so long to dry. Whilst protein is recommended for your hair, that can also act as a mild humectant but is good for curl boosting.

    What you don't seem to be using much of is the basic ingredients of a leave in conditioner - emollients (fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants). These aid clumping and help the hair hold the right amount of water without acting as powerful humectants and keeping the hair 'over moisturised'.

    Personally I would clarify, do a weak to moderate protein treatment such as the DIY gelatin, then switch to a more basic conditioner rich in emollients but low in humectants, possibly containing some protein. I would drop both the Shea Moisture and the Mixed Chicks but keep the Mixed Chicks and Curling Custard so you still have some humectants.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • allie.clark.allie.clark. Posts: 36Registered Users
    Sorry for the mixup, but I am using KCCC not mixed chicks custard. I gotta admit I am feeling overwhelmed with trying to get this all straight. Emoliants and humectants? Are there any easy to read articles on this that explain and give you examples of them?
    I am fairly certain my hair is completely dry when I SOTC.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Sorry for the mixup, but I am using KCCC not mixed chicks custard. I gotta admit I am feeling overwhelmed with trying to get this all straight. Emoliants and humectants? Are there any easy to read articles on this that explain and give you examples of them?
    I am fairly certain my hair is completely dry when I SOTC.

    No sorry it was my mistake. I did understand you but managed to typo and miss out the word AND, will edit now in red. I've briefly put what emollients and humectants are in brackets, there is a recent lengthy thread on that if you run through the first couple of pages of this board (title something like the difference between moisturiser and conditioner). Also check out the 'curl chemist' articles by Tonya McKay here on the NC main site and the Natural Haven blog.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • allie.clark.allie.clark. Posts: 36Registered Users
    Thank you Firefox for your help. I posted another thread about my results. Since I'm trying to do CG I'm gonna skip using mixed chicks anymore I'm not sure if I had bought it before I knew in depth what ingredients to stay away from or what. I bought Giovanni smooth as silk cond for a leave in. I clarified a few days ago and it made a big difference. Basically I used my normal conditioner, then the Giovanni for a leave in then used KCCC. My hair is quite different and I have a lot better curl definition. I did the gelatin PT last night and wow! All of you guys really were helpful. I wasn't using enough emollients I guess!