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PT on right now HELP!?

Hello,

I have aigirl's PT on right now. This is what i included in it:
1/3 cup water
1 packet knoxx gelatin
the vinegar (forgot measurement)
2 tsp coconut oil
1 tsp honey
1 tsp suave coconut conditioner

It says that i'm supposed to just rinse it out right? No lo-poo needed? what about the coconut oil, how do i get that out? I didn't realize this when i was adding the oil.

Wavydaze!!! Are you online?? You told me not to DT or condition after. How do i remove the oil!!
2b, Fine, Low density, Normal porosity.

Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

Lo-poo: SM yucca
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet :oops:, Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

Live in Miami where it's really HUMID:pukel:

Comments

  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Coconut oil comes out with conditioner, is that the ratio of conditioner to oil and other ingredients that others are using successfully or did you come up with that mix yourself?
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users
    Just rinse it well then apply a rinse out conditioner and/or leave-in. If it feels stiff or like there's still stuff in your hair when you rinse, then co-wash. If it still feels "stiff" then do a DT.
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • Janicke31Janicke31 Posts: 53Registered Users
    Coconut oil comes out with conditioner, is that the ratio of conditioner to oil and other ingredients that others are using successfully or did you come up with that mix yourself?

    AIgirls' recipe i followed exactly. Under the recipe it says optional add ins:

    Optional add-ins:
    1 teaspoon honey
    yogurt
    2 to 3 teaspoons of conditioner
    coconut milk
    use herbal tea instead of plain water
    more vinegar if you fancy
    more oil - up to 2 tablespoons of olive or coconut oil for dry hair, grapeseed or apricot kernel oil for less-dry hair
    1 tablespoon aloe vera juice or gel (not with banana)
    1/4 pureed banana (in a blender) - note, banana can be unpredictable, don't add any vinegar or acid with banana. Banana baby food works well.
    1/16 or 1/8 teaspoon magnesium sulfate

    I didn't know there had to be an actual 1:1 ration with conditioner and oil...
    2b, Fine, Low density, Normal porosity.

    Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

    Lo-poo: SM yucca
    Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
    LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

    Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet :oops:, Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

    Live in Miami where it's really HUMID:pukel:
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users
    You should be fine. Let us know how it turns out! Don't leave it on too long if this is your first time!
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Apparently there doesn't, it says teaspoon for one and tablespoon for another?
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • Janicke31Janicke31 Posts: 53Registered Users
    i've had it on for about 10 minutes so i'm going to rinse it out now and post again later when it's dry. Thank for your help ladies!!!:thumbleft:
    2b, Fine, Low density, Normal porosity.

    Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

    Lo-poo: SM yucca
    Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
    LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

    Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet :oops:, Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

    Live in Miami where it's really HUMID:pukel:
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users
    I did it for the first time today too. I added just a pinch of citric acid and 1/2 teaspoon coconut oil. I know you used much more oil. I just rinsed with water and let the oil stay on my hair. It's still damp, but I don't think it's going to feel oily.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • Janicke31Janicke31 Posts: 53Registered Users
    I'm not impressed...it did rinse right out with water alone. Then i added some suave naturals coconut as a leave in and scrunched in my lalooks gel. Here are pictures of different angles and lighting. The last picture is before i sotc.

    Eta: it doesn't look bad at all, but i don't see a drastic difference.

    Sent from my HUAWEI-M931 using CurlTalk App
    2b, Fine, Low density, Normal porosity.

    Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

    Lo-poo: SM yucca
    Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
    LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

    Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet :oops:, Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

    Live in Miami where it's really HUMID:pukel:
  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    If your hair is lacking in protein it may take a few treatments to see a difference. I did one a couple of days ago, and I think I should have done a DT after because my hair was a little rough. My hair likes protein in products, but protein treatments need some extra moisture. Maybe next time I'll add conditioner to the mix.
    3a/b, F, normal porosity

    Suave conditioner, LAL gel
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Janicke31 wrote: »
    I'm not impressed...it did rinse right out with water alone. Then i added some suave naturals coconut as a leave in and scrunched in my lalooks gel. Here are pictures of different angles and lighting. The last picture is before i sotc.

    Eta: it doesn't look bad at all, but i don't see a drastic difference.

    Sent from my HUAWEI-M931 using CurlTalk App

    You only left it on ten minutes, you won't have much penetration in that time!

    The instant gratification you get with commercial deep treatments is often silicones, anything that is truly working on hair at a deeper level by patch repairing or penetrating may take multiple treatments to take effect, remember hair is dead.
    THE NATURAL HAVEN: Deep Conditioning : What Ingredients in Hair Conditioner Penetrate Hair?
    THE NATURAL HAVEN: Size matters : Protein Conditioning (part 1 of 2)
    THE NATURAL HAVEN: Protein Conditioners for hair: part 2 of 2
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users
    Now I'm confused, because the gelatin PT directions say to leave on as little as 3 minutes. I did that and saw a big difference in my hair.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    CurlyGrey3 wrote: »
    Now I'm confused, because the gelatin PT directions say to leave on as well as the little as 3 minutes. I did that and saw a big difference in my hair.

    Don't be confused! Note that Curlyinthefog and I both used the word 'may'.

    You won't get much if any aBsorption in that time, but you might well get aDsorption, how much highly variable due to the differences in our hair. My hair eats protein at the moment, but I do have chemical treated/ damaged hair so that is not surprising. No doubt some would be quickly overproteined with the same regime.

    Furthermore gelatin is not a homogenous substance, some brands will be smaller and some larger molecules. There will also be variation in the recipes used: which conditioner, how much of the additives, how thick or thin we spread the mix and so on. Some will be applying after an anionic shampoo, some after a cationic conditioner wash ....
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users
    Janicke31 wrote: »
    I'm not impressed...it did rinse right out with water alone. Then i added some suave naturals coconut as a leave in and scrunched in my lalooks gel. Here are pictures of different angles and lighting. The last picture is before i sotc.

    If you have any residual oil in your hair it may dtag a little until you get it all out. It really depends on your hair and how it reacts to coconut oil. I could tell I had extra oil in my hair in the past by the way my gel didn't develop any cast as it normally did. That might not be the case with you.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users
    Thanks, Firefox. As usual, it's all more complicated than how I wish it would be.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    CurlyGrey3 wrote: »
    Thanks, Firefox. As usual, it's all more complicated than how I wish it would be.

    Teehee, ain't it the truth! I only left mine on about 3 minutes, too, and noticed a difference. My hair's in pretty good condition, though, and I don't think very porous, so likely not starving for protein.
    3a/b, F, normal porosity

    Suave conditioner, LAL gel
  • Janicke31Janicke31 Posts: 53Registered Users
    Update: So i did the pt about 8 or 9 hours ago. I found my hair was more curly, less wavy, a little more flat not as puffy and voluminous, and slightly less frizzy.

    Now, its kinda frizzy but its been all day...I'll continue doing protein filler in my ro and li and another pt next week.I'll also leave it on longer next time. The instructions said to only leave it on for a short time if its your first time, that's why i only did 15 minutes.

    Here are my right now pics, the last pic is terrible. I have really low density hair and i have a terrible cut but I'm trying to grow it out. Oh well, you got what you got!

    Sent from my HUAWEI-M931 using CurlTalk App
    2b, Fine, Low density, Normal porosity.

    Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

    Lo-poo: SM yucca
    Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
    LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

    Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet :oops:, Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

    Live in Miami where it's really HUMID:pukel:
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    You only left it on ten minutes, you won't have much penetration in that time!

    Completely disagree. I've left the gelatin PT (simple recipe, no optional add-ins) on for 5 mins with great results. Recently I did SS's PT treatment and left that on for 10 minutes... again, great hit of protein, great results!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    You only left it on ten minutes, you won't have much penetration in that time!

    Completely disagree. I've left the gelatin PT (simple recipe, no optional add-ins) on for 5 mins with great results. Recently I did SS's PT treatment and left that on for 10 minutes... again, great hit of protein, great results!

    As I said "You won't get much if any aBsorption in that time, but you might well get aDsorption, how much highly variable due to the differences in our hair. My hair eats protein at the moment, but I do have chemical treated/ damaged hair so that is not surprising. No doubt some would be quickly overproteined with the same regime."
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Janicke, I think your hair looks really nice!

    I already PMed you. I would just recommend next time doing the simple gelatin PT w/ no add-ins.... see how you like it. It will be more a more "clean" PT, instead of a mixed PT/DT with all the oils and conditioner. You can use RO after the PT. :flower:
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    You only left it on ten minutes, you won't have much penetration in that time!

    Completely disagree. I've left the gelatin PT (simple recipe, no optional add-ins) on for 5 mins with great results. Recently I did SS's PT treatment and left that on for 10 minutes... again, great hit of protein, great results!

    As I said "You won't get much if any aBsorption in that time, but you might well get aDsorption, how much highly variable due to the differences in our hair. My hair eats protein at the moment, but I do have chemical treated/ damaged hair so that is not surprising. No doubt some would be quickly overproteined with the same regime."

    Right, so if 5-10 minutes works for you, then it works for you.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Janicke31Janicke31 Posts: 53Registered Users
    Thanks for all the input and advice ladies :-)

    My phone doesn't let me "like"

    Sent from my HUAWEI-M931 using CurlTalk App
    2b, Fine, Low density, Normal porosity.

    Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

    Lo-poo: SM yucca
    Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
    LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

    Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet :oops:, Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

    Live in Miami where it's really HUMID:pukel: