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Protein and Moisture Balance Question...

kaykrekaykre Posts: 314Registered Users
For the past few days I've been using my protein rich RO as both a RO and leave in. Prior to that I was either using a different leave in or none at all. For reference it's Paul Mitchell Awapuhi Wild Ginger Keratin Cream Rinse - NaturallyCurly.com.

Since I've been doing this my hair has been much curlier... It was looking 2A-ish and now it's looking 2C with some spirals underneath. Weird.... I thought the leave in would weigh it down somewhat. It's also been significantly less frizzy. There's been no change in techniques and very little scrunching so I'm fairly sure it's the leave in.

Anyways... Does this mean my hair needs protein and moisture? I've been focusing on protein but not so much on moisture.
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.

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  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    I believe maintaining both is very essential. I think the best way to know is to actually try a PT yourself. Here is a homemade one, very cheap:

    Pedaheh's Hair Blog: Science-y Hair Blog Recipes

    I think it very important to maintain both and don't want to be mislead into not thinking you don't need protein, just in case. You don't want breakage to be the first clue that you need protein (that was my problem).

    HTH
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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  • kaykrekaykre Posts: 314Registered Users
    I believe maintaining both is very essential. I think the best way to know is to actually try a PT yourself. Here is a homemade one, very cheap:

    Pedaheh's Hair Blog: Science-y Hair Blog Recipes

    I think it very important to maintain both and don't want to be mislead into not thinking you don't need protein, just in case. You don't want breakage to be the first clue that you need protein (that was my problem).

    HTH

    TY! I'm fairly sure I need protein and have been doing treatments for awhile (though not thehomemade one which I'm told is more potent). I guess I always just figure that since I need protein I don't need moisture.
    2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
    Dry climate.

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  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    It's hard to figure out that balance! It is also about trial and error too.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    kaykre wrote: »
    I believe maintaining both is very essential. I think the best way to know is to actually try a PT yourself. Here is a homemade one, very cheap:

    Pedaheh's Hair Blog: Science-y Hair Blog Recipes

    I think it very important to maintain both and don't want to be mislead into not thinking you don't need protein, just in case. You don't want breakage to be the first clue that you need protein (that was my problem).

    HTH

    TY! I'm fairly sure I need protein and have been doing treatments for awhile (though not thehomemade one which I'm told is more potent). I guess I always just figure that since I need protein I don't need moisture.

    I've always found that my hair likes lots of both. I know some people who say that adding protein is the only way their hair is able to hold onto moisture.
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    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    Hair definitely needs both but the amount needed of each varies from person to person. It sounds like your hair is very happy with what you're doing right now so keep it up
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • RizosMioRizosMio Posts: 141Registered Users
    The finer the hair, the more protein it might crave. Same goes for highly porous hair, it really benefits from protein.

    Not to say that coarse hair or a lower porosity hair does not need it, I believe it will still benefit from protein it just may be trickier finding a proper amount. I have coarse strands/normal porosity and I personally do not do protein treatments, but my leave-ins contain some hydrolyzed protein (not within the first 5 ingredients) and that works very well for me.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Fine hair generally needs protein regularly much of the year, very porous hair generally needs something to reduce the porosity (anti humectants/ coconut oil) and protein. It may need moisturising ingredients depending how dry the hair is and the dew points/ humidity, but humectants are likely to make it dry out and/ or frizz in the wrong dews. Many people do well with more protein in the summer.

    It's worth remembering that most products don't nealty sit in a box of protein OR moisture OR anti humectant/ sealant. Your Paul Mitchell conditioner still contains ingredients that act as a humectant (protein) and that can help retain hydration (cationic surfactants and fatty alcohols) so it still lightly 'moisturises'.

    It seems your hair is telling you that the Paul Mitchell is holding just the right amount of water close to your hair and supplying just the right amount of protein to strengthen the bonds and tighten the curl. Whatever you were using before was not.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect