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What do you use for a conditioner that is protein and glycerin free?

Fluffy01Fluffy01 Posts: 271Registered Users
Seems like everything has some form of protein in it...even my beloved Yes to Carrots. I think it might be what's messing me up recently. :cwm10:

However, finding a protein free glycerin free conditioner is posing quite a problem...I'd appreciate any recs. Thank you!

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  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users
    I think some of the VO5s are protein and glycerine free. You can search in CurlMart by those properties. Double check the ingredients of any that you're considering, though. Once in a while the attributes aren't quite right.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • brimom19brimom19 Posts: 43Registered Users
    Why don't you like glycerin? I have heard people that love and some that don't. I have never used it. My daughter is lopo and protein sensitive... Is glycerin a no no for her?
  • Fluffy01Fluffy01 Posts: 271Registered Users
    I'm in a high dewpoint area...some say glycerin attracts moisture to the hair causing frizz especially in high dewpoints. If you're in a low dewpoint area I don't think it would be as much of a problem. :)
  • Fluffy01Fluffy01 Posts: 271Registered Users
    CurlyGrey3 wrote: »
    I think some of the VO5s are protein and glycerine free. You can search in CurlMart by those properties. Double check the ingredients of any that you're considering, though. Once in a while the attributes aren't quite right.

    You're right! I found this list on NC:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/143866-protein-glycerin-free-product-list.html

    However I know CJ Argan Oil condish has some undesirables in it, yet it's on the list. Still a good reference, though, if doublechecked. I will check V05 too! THanks!
  • pharaohpharaoh Posts: 156Registered Users
    What about this?Size:
    Yes to blueberries condishioner
    NEW! This is a perfect gentle and natural solution for users of heat styling and chemical processing treatments, which can be damaging to hair. Formulated with Blueberries to protect hair with anti-oxidant superpower, Clover Flower with its healing properties to mend damaged locks and Sunflower which is packed with fatty acids to restore shine and protect against breakage.

    PROVEN TO
    Reduce breakage for healthier looking hair!

    98% natural
    Free of Parabens, Petroleum and SLS, naturally!
    Meet our Stylista and learn more about hair repair.

    ReviewsQ/ADetailsIngredients
    Blueberries:
    Are rich in anti-oxidants to keep hair looking healthy & shiny

    Clover Flower:
    Has healing properties to mend damaged locks

    Sunflower:
    Contains fatty acids to nourish hair and protect against breakage
    Water (Aqua), Cetearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Chloride, Cetyl Esters, Vaccinium Angustifolium (Blueberry) Fruit Extract, Stearyl Dihydroxypropyldimonium Oligosaccharides, Lupine Amino Acids, Fragrance (Parfum)**, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Extract, Trifolium Pratense (Clover) Flower Extract, Daucus Carota Sativa (Carrot) Seed Oil*, Ipomoea Batatas Root Lees Extract, Glycerin, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Trimethylolpropane Tricaprylate/Tricaprate, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Sorbic Acid.
    * Certified Organic Ingredient

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  • Fluffy01Fluffy01 Posts: 271Registered Users
    Has glycerin and protein....checked today. That list I posted earlier has inaccuracies as well. :(
  • pharaohpharaoh Posts: 156Registered Users
    its so hard to even find an accurate ingredients list. there is NO way I can see some of the lables in the stores, so I always look online first.

    Last night I bought Tressemme Naturals Volume conditioner. I was using the Moisture one but they moved the aloe WAY up and it has destroyed my hair. Now looking for a DT without tons of stuff and can't find a thing.
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users
    pharaoh wrote: »
    its so hard to even find an accurate ingredients list. there is NO way I can see some of the lables in the stores, so I always look online first.

    I walk around with my reading glasses :)
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • brimom19brimom19 Posts: 43Registered Users
    Has anyone ever tried the aunt Jackie line?
  • misbehavemisbehave Posts: 115Registered Users
    Fluffy,

    I have had a nightmare of a time trying to find products that don't give me that straw-like reaction. I've tried A LOT of the products listed in the thread you posted and found I'm extremely sensitive to many ingredients in "protein free" products, including plant extracts and coconut. I've heard people refer to them as "hidden proteins" or "protein analogues" but whatever they are they give me the same nasty matted hair as the regular hydrolyzed proteins. You may have to experiment a bit to find what works for you.

    Not sure if you can see my signature but these are the protein free conditioners I'm currently using without glycerin.

    Co wash: Suave Clarifying Conditioner
    RO: Tresemme Naturals (sometimes I skip this if I have enough slip from the co wash). I've heard the formula has changed though, I think we all need to revolt!

    Be sure your stylers don't have protein either. That has messed me up before. I'm also using a hard water filter that I got on Amazon to cut minerals.

    Hope that helps! Good luck!
    CG since 3/1/13
    3B; Low porosity, Coarse, & Extremely Protein Sensitive
    Very high density, waist length

    Co wash: Suave Clarifying or Sun Ripened Strawberry
    RO: Sun Ripened Strawberry, TN, or TN w/ veg glycerin
    Sealer: apricot oil
    Styler: 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard, Pantene Curl Defining Mousse, or BB "Mudd"
    Using a hard water filter, microfiber towel, & silk head scarves & pillowcases

    Avoiding: protein, coconut, & parabens
  • curlymetalgirlcurlymetalgirl Posts: 13Registered Users
    Oh man, I feel your pain on having the 'straw-like' hair reaction. I used to think that was how my hair naturally was, because it was ALWAYS dry and dead-feeling, no matter what I did to it. Now I've started to think that I definitely have a protein sensitivity. It's odd too, since I've been reading that most fine haired curly girls are not protein sensitive but I guess i'm one of the unlucky few who happens to have the double whammy of having baby fine hair and a protein sensitivity. I also can't use products with glycerin either, and as a final coup de grace, I live right near the beach where summer fog and damp days are common.

    I've been using the Tresseme Naturals Nourishing Moisture Conditioner as my RO for months now and I love it. I cannot believe they changed the formula, that infuriates me. It is one of the rare things that has actually worked. Luckily I still have a huge bottle of it left in my shower, and I can always try the Suave Clarifying Conditioner when and if I run out.

    What stylers do you like? Lately this has been my biggest hurdle. My curls simply refuse to define themselves and 2 day hair is a myth. I'm convinced it doesn't exist, haha.
  • curlymetalgirlcurlymetalgirl Posts: 13Registered Users
    Misbehave, I just saw that you avoid coconut oil too!!! I thought I was the only one who absolutely did not like, may I say, DESPISED coconut oil. I feel that it makes my hair incredibly greasy and even more drying after my hair has been styled. I once did a protein mask with egg and coconut oil.....oh man. Not a happy day. I was literally pulling clumps of hair out with my hands.

    Just had to say that. I like Olive Oil at the moment, and Argan Oil was another miss.

    Sorry I keep flooding the forum, it's just been so long since I've gone natural and it's taken nearly 6 months for me to even start to scratch the surface of what works and does not work. It's nice to see someone who has similar issues :D
  • KiraSavannahKiraSavannah Posts: 423Registered Users
    I use tresemme naturals, and Shea Moisture conditioner (Raw Shea line)

    Sent from my SGH-T999 using CurlTalk App
    CG/LOC Method's 3b/3c hair SL-Curly/ Goal-MBL Curly:)
    Weekly Poo/Low Poo: some Shea M Poo.
    Weekly Deep Treat-Dermorganic Intensive Hair Masque
    Bi-Weekly RO:Tresseme Naturals - V.Smooth/N.Moisture
    Daily Leave in:Shea Moisture Extra Moisture Detangler
    Daily Oil: Olive Oil & Conut Oil Mix
    Daily Styler: Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk
  • JessMessJessMess Posts: 151Registered Users
    Hey you guys...I am new here...haven't yet started...but I want to start things off right. After some research, I'm pretty sure I need to stay away from both glycerin and protein. So thanks very much for this thread. I'm really glad to see inexpensive drugstore brands that I can try while I'm still wary of making a huge investment in this.
    Jessica
    Type 2c: coarse, high-density, low porosity (so it would seem)
    Avoiding protein and glycerin; going for soft, non-crunchy, frizz-free waves
    CO & RO: Tresemme Naturals Moisture
    Sealer: Olive oil
    Leave-in/Styler: Kinky Curly Knot Today
    DT: olive oil and honey
  • misbehavemisbehave Posts: 115Registered Users
    Oh man, I feel your pain on having the 'straw-like' hair reaction. I used to think that was how my hair naturally was, because it was ALWAYS dry and dead-feeling, no matter what I did to it. Now I've started to think that I definitely have a protein sensitivity. It's odd too, since I've been reading that most fine haired curly girls are not protein sensitive but I guess i'm one of the unlucky few who happens to have the double whammy of having baby fine hair and a protein sensitivity. I also can't use products with glycerin either, and as a final coup de grace, I live right near the beach where summer fog and damp days are common.

    I've been using the Tresseme Naturals Nourishing Moisture Conditioner as my RO for months now and I love it. I cannot believe they changed the formula, that infuriates me. It is one of the rare things that has actually worked. Luckily I still have a huge bottle of it left in my shower, and I can always try the Suave Clarifying Conditioner when and if I run out.

    What stylers do you like? Lately this has been my biggest hurdle. My curls simply refuse to define themselves and 2 day hair is a myth. I'm convinced it doesn't exist, haha.

    Hi Curlymetalgirl!

    I know, I have my fingers crossed that the new Tresemme formula will be okay. I find if I use the old forumla too regularly my hair gets a coated like feeling. But nothing beats the slip. Maybe the new formula corrects for that "coatedness". Positive thinking!

    Okra gel makes my hair look so amazing. But because it is a plant I am afraid to use it too often and potentially get overproteined so I only use it for special occasions. My second fave and everyday styler is 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard. I get it at Sally's. 4 Naturals also makes an Afro Stretch Curl Cream that I may try. I don't have an afro but the ingredients look good so I was glad I checked it out.

    Are you sealing at all? I find I HAVE to seal before applying my styler. I use apricot oil. Grapeseed oil is on my list to try.

    I wonder if the Tresemme is adding to your lack of definition? When I first started using it my hair felt...straighter or something. It's doing better now that I have a rotation of products.
    Misbehave, I just saw that you avoid coconut oil too!!! I thought I was the only one who absolutely did not like, may I say, DESPISED coconut oil. I feel that it makes my hair incredibly greasy and even more drying after my hair has been styled. I once did a protein mask with egg and coconut oil.....oh man. Not a happy day. I was literally pulling clumps of hair out with my hands.

    Just had to say that. I like Olive Oil at the moment, and Argan Oil was another miss.

    Sorry I keep flooding the forum, it's just been so long since I've gone natural and it's taken nearly 6 months for me to even start to scratch the surface of what works and does not work. It's nice to see someone who has similar issues

    Yes, I hate coconut anything! I can't even use poos with coco betaine because my hair has a hissy fit. Pulling clumps out must've been super scary! During the start of my journey my hair matted up in one big clump and I feared I would have to shave it. That's when I found Tresemme actually. Protein sensitivity can have nasty consequences if you're on the extreme end (which I am).

    Are you doing treatments with the olive oil or sealing? My fussy hair didn't care for olive oil. I don't really do any deep treatments but I seal religiously.

    It's definitely a lot of trial and error but it sure does help to find a hair twin. Good luck! And keep me posted if you find anything you like that I should know about!
    CG since 3/1/13
    3B; Low porosity, Coarse, & Extremely Protein Sensitive
    Very high density, waist length

    Co wash: Suave Clarifying or Sun Ripened Strawberry
    RO: Sun Ripened Strawberry, TN, or TN w/ veg glycerin
    Sealer: apricot oil
    Styler: 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard, Pantene Curl Defining Mousse, or BB "Mudd"
    Using a hard water filter, microfiber towel, & silk head scarves & pillowcases

    Avoiding: protein, coconut, & parabens
  • JeliahJeliah Posts: 248Registered Users
    Suave naturals Everlasting Sunshine
  • Jen_WavyJen_Wavy Posts: 5Registered Users
    Have you tried GVP conditioning balm? It does contain Propylene Glycol which is a humectant though.
  • brimom19brimom19 Posts: 43Registered Users
    misbehave wrote: »
    Oh man, I feel your pain on having the 'straw-like' hair reaction. I used to think that was how my hair naturally was, because it was ALWAYS dry and dead-feeling, no matter what I did to it. Now I've started to think that I definitely have a protein sensitivity. It's odd too, since I've been reading that most fine haired curly girls are not protein sensitive but I guess i'm one of the unlucky few who happens to have the double whammy of having baby fine hair and a protein sensitivity. I also can't use products with glycerin either, and as a final coup de grace, I live right near the beach where summer fog and damp days are common.

    I've been using the Tresseme Naturals Nourishing Moisture Conditioner as my RO for months now and I love it. I cannot believe they changed the formula, that infuriates me. It is one of the rare things that has actually worked. Luckily I still have a huge bottle of it left in my shower, and I can always try the Suave Clarifying Conditioner when and if I run out.

    What stylers do you like? Lately this has been my biggest hurdle. My curls simply refuse to define themselves and 2 day hair is a myth. I'm convinced it doesn't exist, haha.

    Hi Curlymetalgirl!

    I know, I have my fingers crossed that the new Tresemme formula will be okay. I find if I use the old forumla too regularly my hair gets a coated like feeling. But nothing beats the slip. Maybe the new formula corrects for that "coatedness". Positive thinking!

    Okra gel makes my hair look so amazing. But because it is a plant I am afraid to use it too often and potentially get overproteined so I only use it for special occasions. My second fave and everyday styler is 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard. I get it at Sally's. 4 Naturals also makes an Afro Stretch Curl Cream that I may try. I don't have an afro but the ingredients look good so I was glad I checked it out.

    Are you sealing at all? I find I HAVE to seal before applying my styler. I use apricot oil. Grapeseed oil is on my list to try.

    I wonder if the Tresemme is adding to your lack of definition? When I first started using it my hair felt...straighter or something. It's doing better now that I have a rotation of products.
    Misbehave, I just saw that you avoid coconut oil too!!! I thought I was the only one who absolutely did not like, may I say, DESPISED coconut oil. I feel that it makes my hair incredibly greasy and even more drying after my hair has been styled. I once did a protein mask with egg and coconut oil.....oh man. Not a happy day. I was literally pulling clumps of hair out with my hands.

    Just had to say that. I like Olive Oil at the moment, and Argan Oil was another miss.

    Sorry I keep flooding the forum, it's just been so long since I've gone natural and it's taken nearly 6 months for me to even start to scratch the surface of what works and does not work. It's nice to see someone who has similar issues

    Yes, I hate coconut anything! I can't even use poos with coco betaine because my hair has a hissy fit. Pulling clumps out must've been super scary! During the start of my journey my hair matted up in one big clump and I feared I would have to shave it. That's when I found Tresemme actually. Protein sensitivity can have nasty consequences if you're on the extreme end (which I am).

    Are you doing treatments with the olive oil or sealing? My fussy hair didn't care for olive oil. I don't really do any deep treatments but I seal religiously.

    It's definitely a lot of trial and error but it sure does help to find a hair twin. Good luck! And keep me posted if you find anything you like that I should know about!

    What do you seal with. My daughter is very protein sensitive.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Misbehave, I just saw that you avoid coconut oil too!!! I thought I was the only one who absolutely did not like, may I say, DESPISED coconut oil. I feel that it makes my hair incredibly greasy and even more drying after my hair has been styled. I once did a protein mask with egg and coconut oil.....oh man. Not a happy day. I was literally pulling clumps of hair out with my hands.

    Just had to say that. I like Olive Oil at the moment, and Argan Oil was another miss.

    Sorry I keep flooding the forum, it's just been so long since I've gone natural and it's taken nearly 6 months for me to even start to scratch the surface of what works and does not work. It's nice to see someone who has similar issues :D

    Neither eggs nor coconut oil supply the hair with protein that absorbs or adheres, egg proteins are too large and there is little protein in coconut oil. You more likely simply overloaded your hair with fats or had a negative scalp reaction (sensitivity/ allergy).

    Greasy simply means you used too much/ failed to cleanse out the excess properly, any oil you overuse will have the same effect, balance is a critical part of any successful haircare routine. Feel dry suggests the same, residues on the hair because you failed to cleanse out the excess.

    Just because some is good doesn't automatically make more better, the really effective penetrating ingredients are sometimes best used as just that, ingredients not as 50% or 100% of a DIY treatment. For reference a commercial conditioner is 90% water.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    misbehave wrote: »
    [
    Okra gel makes my hair look so amazing. But because it is a plant I am afraid to use it too often and potentially get overproteined so I only use it for special occasions. My second fave and everyday styler is 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard. I get it at Sally's. 4 Naturals also makes an Afro Stretch Curl Cream that I may try. I don't have an afro but the ingredients look good so I was glad I checked it out.

    Yes, I hate coconut anything! I can't even use poos with coco betaine because my hair has a hissy fit. Pulling clumps out must've been super scary! During the start of my journey my hair matted up in one big clump and I feared I would have to shave it. That's when I found Tresemme actually. Protein sensitivity can have nasty consequences if you're on the extreme end (which I am).

    Are you doing treatments with the olive oil or sealing? My fussy hair didn't care for olive oil. I don't really do any deep treatments but I seal religiously.

    It's definitely a lot of trial and error but it sure does help to find a hair twin. Good luck! And keep me posted if you find anything you like that I should know about!

    Plants contain protein but okra mucilage (gel) is not a protein or a plant it's an extract. The mucilage is actually carbohydrate/ soluble fibre based.

    Coconut oil is not a protein and it does not act like a protein either that is pseudoscience. Coconut oil is an occlusive AKA anti humectant, protein is a humectant so their core properties are polar opposites. Both can penetrate the hair and both can build up if overused, as can numerous other ingredients.

    Coco betaine may be derived from coconut oil but it has NONE of the same properties as coconut oil, so again you are misdiagnosing the issue. Many foaming surfactants and common emollients (fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants) are derived from coconut oil, if your hair hated all derivatives you would be able to use very very few shampoos or conditioners.

    TBH what you describe sounds far more like your hair doesn't like plain old build up/ being overly coated and is possibly is pH sensitive.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • jennagjennag Posts: 44Registered Users
    I have given up the protein also. I got lucky and found a great cowash at Ross but I don't think that it is made anymore. It's called Punto 1 of 6 for curly hair. Could not find any proteins or glycerin in it, but couldn't find it anywhere else either. Not even on the Internet. Used with my okra gel and avacado oil, my hair feels pretty good! Avacado oil used in small amounts makes a fantastic sealer. I will be needing a new cowash very soon!!

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using CurlTalk App
    3A/3B, coarse, low porosity, high density, iii I believe (?), low to normal elasticity.

    CoWash/LI: VO5 Ocean Breeze/Shea Moisture
    Style:IOkra Gel/KCCC
    Plop 10 min / air dry
  • misbehavemisbehave Posts: 115Registered Users
    misbehave wrote: »
    [
    Okra gel makes my hair look so amazing. But because it is a plant I am afraid to use it too often and potentially get overproteined so I only use it for special occasions. My second fave and everyday styler is 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard. I get it at Sally's. 4 Naturals also makes an Afro Stretch Curl Cream that I may try. I don't have an afro but the ingredients look good so I was glad I checked it out.

    Yes, I hate coconut anything! I can't even use poos with coco betaine because my hair has a hissy fit. Pulling clumps out must've been super scary! During the start of my journey my hair matted up in one big clump and I feared I would have to shave it. That's when I found Tresemme actually. Protein sensitivity can have nasty consequences if you're on the extreme end (which I am).

    Are you doing treatments with the olive oil or sealing? My fussy hair didn't care for olive oil. I don't really do any deep treatments but I seal religiously.

    It's definitely a lot of trial and error but it sure does help to find a hair twin. Good luck! And keep me posted if you find anything you like that I should know about!

    Plants contain protein but okra mucilage (gel) is not a protein or a plant it's an extract. The mucilage is actually carbohydrate/ soluble fibre based.

    Coconut oil is not a protein and it does not act like a protein either that is pseudoscience. Coconut oil is an occlusive AKA anti humectant, protein is a humectant so their core properties are polar opposites. Both can penetrate the hair and both can build up if overused, as can numerous other ingredients.

    Coco betaine may be derived from coconut oil but it has NONE of the same properties as coconut oil, so again you are misdiagnosing the issue. Many foaming surfactants and common emollients (fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants) are derived from coconut oil, if your hair hated all derivatives you would be able to use very very few shampoos or conditioners.

    TBH what you describe sounds far more like your hair doesn't like plain old build up/ being overly coated and is possibly is pH sensitive.

    Firefox! Very excited to make your acquaintance. I've seen your posts around the forum and you seem very knowledgeable so I was hoping I'd bump into you at some point.

    So it actually took me reading your response several times to realize how you were interpreting some things I was saying. Let me clarify because I'd love to hear your thoughts.

    Plants contain protein but okra mucilage (gel) is not a protein or a plant it's an extract. The mucilage is actually carbohydrate/ soluble fibre based.

    I understand. But I DO seem to be just as reactive to extracts. I've been unable to use many products that contain them, even products popular with other protein sensitive curlies. This is a huge problem as I'm trying to live a non-toxic life style and the more natural products are full of various extracts. Two examples off the top of my head are KCKT and KCCC - hated!

    Coconut oil is not a protein and it does not act like a protein either that is pseudoscience. Coconut oil is an occlusive AKA anti humectant, protein is a humectant so their core properties are polar opposites. Both can penetrate the hair and both can build up if overused, as can numerous other ingredients.

    I've seen your crusade around the forum about this. I usually try to be very careful how I word my comments on this as I know this form of communication is prone to misunderstandings and I do not either intentionally or unintentionally want to spread misinformation. I simply want to share my experience. I think my comment on protein sensitivity while I was talking about my experience with coconut oil was misleading (sorry about that!). So let me clear up that I was not trying to say that coconut oil is a protein or has the same properties as proteins. What I was trying to say was that when I use coconut oil, my hair feels exactly like it feels when it has been over proteined - dry, straw-like and even matted. This didn't even happen with overuse, it happened immediately, after one use. For me, both protein use AND/OR the use of coconut oil has resulted in nasty consequences.

    Coco betaine may be derived from coconut oil but it has NONE of the same properties as coconut oil, so again you are misdiagnosing the issue. Many foaming surfactants and common emollients (fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants) are derived from coconut oil, if your hair hated all derivatives you would be able to use very very few shampoos or conditioners.

    Yes! This, exactly. After trying many many products I HAVE only found a few products my hair can tolerate (since I've gone CG)! And I haven't found even one no-poo, low-poo, or even sulphate shampoo that I can use anymore. I know there are a lot of ingredients in hair products that are derived from coconut oil which has made my life a nightmare. I'm not a scientist or botanist or any other "ist" so I definitely wasn't trying to say that coco betaine has the same properties as coconut oil. It's beyond my understand to say if they do or don't! Lol. I was simply saying that my hair responds in the same way to it. I hope I'm making sense now.

    TBH what you describe sounds far more like your hair doesn't like plain old build up/ being overly coated and is possibly is pH sensitive.

    I really don't think I have build up or issues with being overly coated. At one point I found my hair felt coated if I used Tresemme too often but since I've discovered the Suaves without proteins and extracts that coated feeling I had seems to have been resolved. Now I use Tresemme sparingly and only if my hair is tangled up from accidental manipulation (ie, sleeping without a protective style).

    I don't know much about pH sensitivity but am interested in it. Although, I do tend to feel the most obvious answer is the correct one (that my hair hates protein, extracts, coconut oil, and coconut derivatives). Clearly I'm in the minority with my massive struggles with ingredients, maybe because I am both coarse AND low porosity. So I'm very interested in any help/advice you can offer. I could really use it! At this point CG has been more work than it's worth but I think going back to silicones and sulphates wouldn't be smart for me to do now either. I should note I also eat an extremely anti-inflammatory diet if that makes any difference.

    Thanks so much for your contribution to this forum!! :)
    CG since 3/1/13
    3B; Low porosity, Coarse, & Extremely Protein Sensitive
    Very high density, waist length

    Co wash: Suave Clarifying or Sun Ripened Strawberry
    RO: Sun Ripened Strawberry, TN, or TN w/ veg glycerin
    Sealer: apricot oil
    Styler: 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard, Pantene Curl Defining Mousse, or BB "Mudd"
    Using a hard water filter, microfiber towel, & silk head scarves & pillowcases

    Avoiding: protein, coconut, & parabens
  • secret_karmasecret_karma Posts: 438Registered Users
    Aussie Moist and Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus Conditioner (orange label)
  • frizzinflafrizzinfla Posts: 190Registered Users
    pharaoh wrote: »
    What about this?Size:
    Yes to blueberries condishioner
    NEW!

    South Florida curly here who is sensitive to protein and glycerin and is loving Yes To Blueberries Conditioner. Has some glycerin but low on the list. My hair usually freaks out in humidity but YTB has not failed me despite very rainy weather. I use as rinse out and leave in.
  • pjjosephgisspjjosephgiss Posts: 643Registered Users
    Where do I get okra gel? Do u make it?
    Hair type-BC: 2/2011-mix of kinks+ coils
    Wash-Bobeam Poo bars, As I Am Cleansing Pudding and Coconut Cowash cleansing condish
    LI/RO-Curl Junkie rehab, Shescentit Avocado condish, Oyin Hair dew
    DT-KBB Luscious Locks, Curl Junkie ANYthing, Shescentit Avocado condish
    Style- UFD, Camille Rose, Hello Curly, Kinky Curly
    Sealant- Jamaican Black Castor and Avocado oils, Qhemet Biologics Honey & Olive Hydrating Balm
    Will try any CG product at least once.
    Proud to be a PJ!
    :happy7::wave:
  • ltdeforrestltdeforrest Posts: 61Registered Users
    Another fine haired protein/glycerin sensitive curly here! My favorite conditioners are Jessicurl Weekly Deep Treatment and Curl Junkie Curl Rehab. I have to be careful to use products that have good moisture, but I really have to avoid too many emollients or oils. They are just too heavy for my hair. I also have to use a low poo at least twice a week or I get build up on my hair since it's so baby fine. After the last couple of years I can finally use certain proteins every once in awhile (keratin is best, but oat is sometimes ok), but I had to focus on moisture only for several months after I over proteined in the beginning of my journey. I can't ever use glycerin, not even if it's low on the ingredients list. I have finally found some products I love, but it took a long time. My favorites are in my siggy, but I still have a cupboard full of products that don't work for me. Hang in there and keep experimenting!
    3a, baby fine i/ii, low to normal porosity, protein sensitive
    Mod CG since 5/12, from rainy Western WA:toothy2:
    dislikes: glycerin, wheat protein :pukel:
    Likes: moisture, Mag Sulfate
    Poo: Elucence Moisture Acidifying Shampoo
    Cond: CJCR, DB pumpkin seed, TJ TTT, Elucence MB
    Protein: one & only Argan oil hydrating mask
    LI: JC WDT
    Style: UFD curly magic, Sweet Curls Elixers flax seed cream and HHG (Etsy)