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KCKT = slightly looser curls?

Hey guys. I used to think KCCC (while being my favorite styling product) gave me slightly looser curls until I started mixing up my leave in routine. Now I tend to use a different leave in every time I wash. I rotate from KCKT, Shea Moisture's Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Curl & Style Milk, Restorative Conditioner, Yucca Baobab Conditioner, etc. And it finally hit me yesterday--hey, KCCC doesn't actually give me looser curls than any other styling product actually. My hair looks the same with that, FSG, Curl Keeper, CJ Pattern Pusha. . . it's the combination of KCKT as my leave in followed by KCCC. Could it be that KCKT is so slippy it dissolves the ringlets somewhat, making them looser?
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Comments

  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    I got looser curls with KCKT.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Same!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Could be as much what is not in KCKT as what IS in it, ingredients wise it is a detangler not a true leave in conditioner, contains no oils/ butters very little fatty alcohols or cationic surfactants. It may therefore behave completely differently in terms of holding moisture and acting as a barrier compared with other products you list. This can mean that with many conditioners your gel is kept away from the hair but with KCKT your gel come into direct contact with the hair.

    pH may also be relevant since almost all true conditioners are acidic. Kinky Curly report Knot Today is pH 7 which is one hundred times more alkaline than a standard conditioner at pH 5.
    THE NATURAL HAVEN: pH of Leave In Conditioners and Styling Aids
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Yeah, I've seen the natural haven's ph rating of Knot Today but when I tested it myself (3x!) I got a 6 for whatever reason. Maybe my batch is "off". I know KT isn't very moisturizing compared to other leave ins but man does my hair look and feel moisturized with it. And now I think I have a grasp of why. If it's not providing a barrier, maybe it's allowing the KCCC penetrate better and KCCC is a very moisturizing product on its own.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    Yeah, I've seen the natural haven's ph rating of Knot Today but when I tested it myself (3x!) I got a 6 for whatever reason. Maybe my batch is "off". I know KT isn't very moisturizing compared to other leave ins but man does my hair look and feel moisturized with it. And now I think I have a grasp of why. If it's not providing a barrier, maybe it's allowing the KCCC penetrate better and KCCC is a very moisturizing product on its own.

    KCKT may be moisturising since some of the ingredients may have humectant properties, some of the ingredients are film formers which may help with slip and softness. It is not truly conditioning is what I was saying, overlap but the terms are not one and the same. Moisturising is not the be all and end all, the hair does not need to hold too much water, it weakens the protein bonds in the hair.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect

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