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What are your experiences with honey?

CalypsoCalypso Posts: 142Registered Users
For those of you who have used honey in their hair whether it be a treatment of some sort or it's in a styling product, what did you think of it? Can you tell me what it can do for curly hair and most importantly, will it lighten hair? I've heard of people using honey to naturally lighten hair and that's the last thing I want.

Thank you. :)
3a/3b spirals and the occasional ringlet
M/iii
Normal porosity


Products I use:

Shampoo: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Shampoo
Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Conditioner
DT: Matrix Biolage Hydratherapie Aqua-Immersion Creme Masque
Styling: Homemade FSG with Lavender EO & AVJ/water mist spray containing Epsom Salt, Lavender EO

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  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Loads of threads on this here and on the Recipes board if you run an advanced search. Honey will not lighten hair if it's highly processed or microwaved before use. I use honey as a deep conditioner with coconut oil, it is a humectant and I find it encourages curl.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    It's never lightened my hair, but my hair HATES honey. I mean it really really hates honey. I've tried it in DT, stylers, conditioners and it's all bad. It makes my hair feel crispy.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Opposite side of the spectrum here. My hair love, love, LOVES honey. I throw it in a super elaborate deep treat at least once a week. I also keep a bottle of honey in my bath at all times to mix with conditioner when I'm washing my hair. (Yes, visitors think I'm crazy, but who cares?) Honey really moisturizes my hair. I have not tried it as a styler though.. . Oh, and I also do a honey mask once a week on my face. It's great for your skin, too. FYI, you would need a whole crapload of honey, I'm talking two cups maybe on cleansed, naked hair, to lighten your hair and even then it probably wouldn't do much. The level of peroxide is so miniscule. If you warm it in the microwave (I often do) before adding it to your deep treats it doesn't have any lightening properties at all. Anyways, I think I would've noticed if honey had lightened my hair because it's pretty black.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • CalypsoCalypso Posts: 142Registered Users
    The product I have is Redken Fresh Curls curl boost spray and one of the ingredients in it is honey. I can't imagine how the product would turn out if I microwaved it and since it's discontinued, I don't want to take the chance of trying that. LOL

    dusalocks, thank you for mentioning the hydrogen peroxide that's in it. I've heard about that so reading your post is reassuring. :) I think I may have to try some on my skin now to see how it turns out!
    3a/3b spirals and the occasional ringlet
    M/iii
    Normal porosity


    Products I use:

    Shampoo: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Shampoo
    Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Conditioner
    DT: Matrix Biolage Hydratherapie Aqua-Immersion Creme Masque
    Styling: Homemade FSG with Lavender EO & AVJ/water mist spray containing Epsom Salt, Lavender EO

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  • rainboerainboe Posts: 284Registered Users
    Calypso wrote: »
    The product I have is Redken Fresh Curls curl boost spray and one of the ingredients in it is honey. I can't imagine how the product would turn out if I microwaved it and since it's discontinued, I don't want to take the chance of trying that. LOL

    dusalocks, thank you for mentioning the hydrogen peroxide that's in it. I've heard about that so reading your post is reassuring. :) I think I may have to try some on my skin now to see how it turns out!

    If it's in a product, it probably won't lighten your hair. There probably isn't that much in it, and I'd bet the product was processed in a way where the lightening affects of gone.
    Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
    Lowpoo: Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
    Rinse Out:
    Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
    LI: Yes to Carrots
    Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
  • curlicious13curlicious13 Posts: 1,632Registered Users
    I tried a honey & olive oil recipe. WRONG!!!! It made my hair crunchy & hard. Won't do that again.
  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    Honey in products gives me frizz. I doubt there'd be enough in one product to lighten hair color unless its labeled for that.
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Hardness or crunchiness likely indicates the product has not been rinsed out effectively or too much used, leaving basically a sugar coating on the hair. As a potent humectant honey won't suit all porosities in all humidities.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • KiraSavannahKiraSavannah Posts: 423Registered Users
    I did honey and olive oil in tresemme naturals as a leave in slept with it overnight and woke up it was sooo sticky but when I rinsed it out my curls were defined and bouncy :)

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    Bi-Weekly RO:Tresseme Naturals - V.Smooth/N.Moisture
    Daily Leave in:Shea Moisture Extra Moisture Detangler
    Daily Oil: Olive Oil & Conut Oil Mix
    Daily Styler: Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    When I do an elaborate deep treat, if I don't want get sticky I only use a tbsp of honey compared to a tbsp of avocado, castor, grapeseed, olive, coconut oil, a teaspoon of aloe vera, a couple of tbsp of conditioner, etc. . . If I don't care about my hair being sticky or crunchy during the time I'm doing the deep treat, I'll use more honey. I usually just throw on a shower cap afterwards so it being crunchy for an hour doesn't bother me. Honey rinses right out. :)
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    I have natural blond hair (see avatar) I use honey to light up my hair in the summer.
    Before I knew about lighten properties of honey, I did a DT in the lower part of my hair and sat with it in the sun. Totally forgot all about it and by the end of the day my lower part was a few tints lighter than the upper part! I was shocked... It looked dip dyed and I even made a picture of it (I will look for it and post it)
    So, if you don't want the honey to light up your hair, be sure to heat it before use!

    _____
    2b-c/3a med/fine- low porosity- normal elasticity, BSL
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    I have natural blond hair (see avatar) I use honey to light up my hair in the summer.
    Before I knew about lighten properties of honey, I did a DT in the lower part of my hair and sat with it in the sun. Totally forgot all about it and by the end of the day my lower part was a few tints lighter than the upper part! I was shocked... It looked dip dyed and I even made a picture of it (I will look for it and post it)
    So, if you don't want the honey to light up your hair, be sure to heat it before use!

    _____
    2b-c/3a med/fine- low porosity- normal elasticity, BSL

    Or don't sit in the sun, that also lightens and damages hair and can accelerate the effects of peroxide.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users
    I microwave honey and coconut oil together and then add that to a cup or a cup and a half of cheap conditioner. I use that as a DT - let it sit for an hour or so and then cowash out and continue as usual. My hair seems to love this. I have my best hair days when I do it.

    I may need to stop when the dew points go up, though. Maybe just coconut oil will work well over the summer.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

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  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    I have a stupid question... so, you have to microwave honey in order to not lighten your hair... but what happens if you microwaved it an hour before and it is cold again?
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    It's not stupid. I'm wondering that too now although I think the heating of defeats the lightening purposes period. but it's strange to think that honey + sunlight = highlights because I used to do that as a girl with lemon juice. (I had lighter hair as a kid.)
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Rinsing might be the issue, but honey just doesn't come off my hair without a lot of cleansing and at that point it defeats the purpose. My hair likes most other humectants.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Neleke wrote: »
    I have a stupid question... so, you have to microwave honey in order to not lighten your hair... but what happens if you microwaved it an hour before and it is cold again?

    It's not a silly question but nothing happens, the bees enzymes are permanently destroyed/ denatured by heating so they can no longer produce peroxide. If honey is highly processed the enzymes will again be destroyed or possibly removed.

    Sunlight and lemon juice is a different chemical pathway to the same end result
    HOW COME?: UV rays bleach hair by breaking up molecules
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    In my experience the honey is much gentler on the hair than lemon juice, the latter left my hair feeling like straw.

    _____
    2b-c/3a med/fine- low porosity- normal elasticity, BSL
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
  • gemimagemima Posts: 15Registered Users
    I really love it. I use about 2 or 3 teaspoons mixed into warm oil as a DT once a week. Even the ends of my hair regain a little curl after the honey treatment, and those are fried beyond recognition any other day of the week. =)
    I also use it straight as a weekly face mask to clear up my complexion.
    Hair Type: 3a+3b high porosity.
    Products: Semi Di Lino Nutritive Shampoo (sulfate free), Muk Spa Argan Oil Repair Conditioner, Coconut Oil + KCCC.
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    I used to use it mixed with my RO, it was lovely... hmmm I should do this again. It gave my waves more bounce and shine. You can use it to DT, mix it with your RO, add a little to your FSG or another styling product, do a honey rinse. Some people lighten their hair with it as mentioned. And honey can even be used to treat seborrheic dermatitis!

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    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

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    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
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  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    Again about the lightening effect of honey:
    If I heat the content of a honey bottle one time (the entire bottle at once), is it correct to assume that I do not have to reheat honey until that bottle is finished?

    Are there in fact reasons why you shouldn't heat the whole bottle of honey at once? (I assume there are, because otherwise every curly using honey in their hair would do that, right?)
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

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  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Neleke wrote: »
    Again about the lightening effect of honey:
    If I heat the content of a honey bottle one time (the entire bottle at once), is it correct to assume that I do not have to reheat honey until that bottle is finished?

    Are there in fact reasons why you shouldn't heat the whole bottle of honey at once? (I assume there are, because otherwise every curly using honey in their hair would do that, right?)

    You could heat the whole thing, it won't go bad afterwards since sugar is a natural preservative. My concern would be getting an even temperature throughout without it overboiling or exploding, hot sugar water will give you a serious burn. Maybe someone has tho, you could run an advanced search on the Long Hair Community, they use honey a lot as part of SMT deep conditions.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    I was thinking about putting it in a microwave bowl and putting it in the microwave for like a minute or so?
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

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  • etosetos Posts: 221Registered Users
    I love to add honey to my RO conditioner or DT. It gives me great shine and a light, frizfree hold.

    But I like it ONLY if the dewpoints are moderate. If the dewpoints are high (lets say, 60 or higher) my hair will be a disaster with honey.
    highlighted 3a hair. Fine strands, medium to high density. Probably high porosity. Growing uit bad layering and aiming for waist lenght!

    Pre-poo: coconut oil
    wash: CJ Daily fix or SheaMoisture Coconut&Hibiscus
    RO + LI: different every time
    Styler: CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB

    dislikes: glycerin in low dews, scissor happy stylists, magnesium sulfate

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  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    I asked over at LHC a while ago how long to microwave honey and was told a minute. This really means that you have to microwave a decent amount at one time, because if you try it with just a tablespoon it'll burn (ask me how I know, lol). I suppose with a small amount you really don't have to microwave as long, but since I have dark hair and didn't want it lightened I was too chicken to try less than a minute. I do at least 1/4 cup at a time.
    3a/b, F, normal porosity

    Suave conditioner, LAL gel
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Neleke wrote: »
    I was thinking about putting it in a microwave bowl and putting it in the microwave for like a minute or so?

    I don't see why there would be a specific time, more of a specific (even) temperature. Proteins denature fast in the wrong conditions, be that temperature or pH. If you purchase a refined/ processed honey you won't need to heat.

    "The honey bees keep the temperature of their brood nest at just under 100 degrees. Many figure that honey should not be raised above this temperature to preserve many of its good qualities. If honey is heated above that, there is disagreement on what the temperature is at which the helpful enzymes are damaged. It is likely in the 120 to 140 range.

    Honey distributed by large distributors and sold in larger stores is usually heated to 180 degrees. This is to dissolve even the smallest crystals that might act as "seeds" that promote crystallization. Although crystallization does not harm the honey in any way, it is considered less desirable (in the US but not necessarily abroad). The enzymes that are not visible are sacrificed for the sake of "good" looks.
    "
    Honey and Temperature

    @ what temp does heat hurt nutrition of honey? [Archive] - Beesource Beekeeping Forums
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    As I said, I was told to heat it for a minute (by Ktani), but going over to her blog and reading up on honey lightening, it seems the peroxide is also degraded by the sun's heat and blow drying, so a minute in the microwave seems excessive. The level of peroxide also seems to vary according to the type of honey. Ktani's Hair Sense: Part 4 of 4 on Innovative Approaches to Hair Care: Honey Lightening

    If you're concerned at all, you can always try using molasses instead. I've made some good DTs with molasses, banana baby food, and conditioner.
    3a/b, F, normal porosity

    Suave conditioner, LAL gel
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    As I said, I was told to heat it for a minute (by Ktani), but going over to her blog and reading up on honey lightening, it seems the peroxide is also degraded by the sun's heat and blow drying, so a minute in the microwave seems excessive. The level of peroxide also seems to vary according to the type of honey. Ktani's Hair Sense: Part 4 of 4 on Innovative Approaches to Hair Care: Honey Lightening

    If you're concerned at all, you can always try using molasses instead. I've made some good DTs with molasses, banana baby food, and conditioner.

    I have used a sugar syrup for my deep treats with some success too, just happened to be what was in the house the first time!

    As I understand it (and I am a tad hazy on this) the microwave is not destroying the peroxide it is destroying the enzymes that are capable of producing peroxide once additional water is added. I don't think a peroxide value is the same as a peroxide level or concentration, I think it's basically the potential which I assume relates to the enzyme levels.

    Whilst I have respect for Ktani's innovative approach, I can't deal with her site or many of her posts. She mixes legitimate scientific links with pseudoscience and hearsay, yet reports them all with equal merit so I find it virtually impossible to tell fact from fiction.

    Glad you posted this actually, it's made me realise why some people's honey-water 'shampoo' or 'rinse' mixes go off when made in advance and other do not (partly also the level of dilution and hygiene obviously).
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • CurlyInTheFogCurlyInTheFog Posts: 876Registered Users
    As I said, I was told to heat it for a minute (by Ktani), but going over to her blog and reading up on honey lightening, it seems the peroxide is also degraded by the sun's heat and blow drying, so a minute in the microwave seems excessive. The level of peroxide also seems to vary according to the type of honey. Ktani's Hair Sense: Part 4 of 4 on Innovative Approaches to Hair Care: Honey Lightening

    If you're concerned at all, you can always try using molasses instead. I've made some good DTs with molasses, banana baby food, and conditioner.

    I have used a sugar syrup for my deep treats with some success too, just happened to be what was in the house the first time!

    As I understand it (and I am a tad hazy on this) the microwave is not destroying the peroxide it is destroying the enzymes that are capable of producing peroxide once additional water is added. I don't think a peroxide value is the same as a peroxide level or concentration, I think it's basically the potential which I assume relates to the enzyme levels.

    Whilst I have respect for Ktani's innovative approach, I can't deal with her site or many of her posts. She mixes legitimate scientific links with pseudoscience and hearsay, yet reports them all with equal merit so I find it virtually impossible to tell fact from fiction.

    Glad you posted this actually, it's made me realise why some people's honey-water 'shampoo' or 'rinse' mixes go off when made in advance and other do not (partly also the level of dilution and hygiene obviously).

    I've also heard corn syrup works well in a DT, but never tried that one.

    Yes, I think you're right about the enzymes. I was using "degrade" in a fuzzy layman sort of way, lol.

    Ummm...I'm actually not a Ktani fan. I've experimented with several things she's big on, and they've all been fails, but what I'm most down on is her insinuation that people are doing something wrong if they try something she recommends and it doesn't work. I've seen that on a number of occasions (not necessarily to me), and I found it very unpleasant. I mostly linked the blog because it sort of encapsulates a lot of what you might find in the various LHC threads on honey (and includes links to some of them as well).
    3a/b, F, normal porosity

    Suave conditioner, LAL gel