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2s with Fine and Thin hair - support thread!

wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
Hi there! I wanted to start a support thread for 2s with hair on the fine AND thin side. I think there's lots of products out there that work for curlies with coarser hair, and certainly for denser hair but we are much more limited. Please share!

1. How do you cleanse?
2. What products are you using that define, moisturize but don't weigh down?
3. What techniques do you use? (Plopping, scrunching, clipping etc.)
4. Does clumping work for you or does it make your hair look even thinner?
5. Good second day hair - does it happen for you? Any tricks?
6. Techniques/products for volume?
7. Do you diffuse?
8. If you have a lot of scalp showing through, is there anything you do to minimize it?
9. Anything that has thickened your hair?
10. What haircut would you recommend?
11. Share tips on cute updos, accessories, anything that spruces up your hair or is a go-to.


Oh and feel free to comment on porosity, dews, hard water etc and how that can be affecting your product and styling choices.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
PT: CJ Repair Me

:thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
:angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
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  • JhtdrtJhtdrt Posts: 56Registered Users
    My hair is both fine and thin. I've always worn my hair curly simply because its too fine/thin to wear straight. I would occasionally use a small barrel curling iron to fix wonky curls so I have some heat damage and I color my hair as well.
    I've been using Paul Mitchell round trip for years with great results. It's very lightweight but provides decent hold. I've been experimenting with flax seed gel in combination with the round trip and I like that too.
    I've always used a diffuser, upside down, and scrunched as well. Plopping and clipping are new to me but it seems to work ok for me.
    Second day hair doesn't really happen unless I rewet and start with wet hair. Strict co washing isn't working because my hair is too fine and is weighed down by the moisture.
  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    Hi there! I wanted to start a support thread for 2s with hair on the fine AND thin side. I think there's lots of products out there that work for curlies with coarser hair, and certainly for denser hair but we are much more limited. Please share!


    Yay! Wavydaze has joined the New and Improved Hair Properties Revolution! :thumbleft:
    I refuse to say my hair is LD but it definitely looks super thin and flat in the winter, in the summer the Florida humidity disguises it some.

    What products are you using that define, moisturize but don't weigh down?
    I use protein and protein with a little protein on top! :icon_smile: My F / LP hair can't seem to get enough protein and is weighed down by just about anything that claims to be moisturizing. My current faves are in my siggy.
    What techniques do you use? (Plopping, scrunching, clipping etc.)
    Plopping works well for me as long as I've taken the time to make nice sized clumps beforehand, I have experimented with pixie diffusing immediately after applying stylers but I didn't see that it made much difference. At this point I just do whichever I feel like that night.
    Does clumping work for you or does it make your hair look even thinner?
    Hmm, I'm still torn on this, if I can get good sized clumps going my hair looks good but if the clumps are small and stringy it tends to look thin, it seems like it should be the opposite. If I omit the gel I still get decent hair and it definitely looks thicker but its less wavy.
    Good second day hair - does it happen for you? Any tricks?
    I'm 2A so if my hair's not super wavy the next day I put it back, braid it or comb it out a bit. Essentially I can always get wearable 2nd day hair, it just isn't necessarily wavy 2nd day hair.
    Techniques/products for volume?
    Volumax Mega Gel from Sally's !!! Also clipping and using a headband after diffusing. I also slide my fingers in my hair, along my scalp and lift the hair up and shake to loosen some of the hold at the roots and add some lift/volume. Honestly I've had poofy-frizzhead all my life and I am completely willing to trade some volume for defined, shiny, wavy hair.
    Do you diffuse?
    I pixie diffuse, its very important to do it right to minimize frizz.
    If you have a lot of scalp showing through, is there anything you do to minimize it?
    My hair is not quite to that point but my Moms is so I'm careful about how I treat it. I do have a very strong part line that will continue down the back of my head if I don't tweak it, hence the clipping.
    Anything that has thickened your hair?
    I don't think that's possible really although I swear my hair feels thicker / less fine when its all proofed up and frizzy in the summer. Maybe the humidity swells it or raises the cuticle some?
    Share tips on cute updos, accessories, or anything else to make your hair feel fabulous!
    I do braids quite a bit, mostly French braids, I also do a flipped through ponytail: put your hair in a regular ponytail --> loosen it enough that you can slip your thumb and forefinger through from the bottom --> flip the length up and grab it, pulling it through the hole you made --> use a comb to smooth the back / hole area back together and maybe use a bit of hairspray or spray gel to keep flyaways and escapees to a minimum.

    I have a Journal in the LP forum, I didn't start it until several months into CG but every product and technique I've tried over the last couple months is there for anyone to peruse. This thread was a great idea, I hope others respond.

    Vive la Revolution! :D
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Jhtdrt wrote: »
    My hair is both fine and thin. I've always worn my hair curly simply because its too fine/thin to wear straight. I would occasionally use a small barrel curling iron to fix wonky curls so I have some heat damage and I color my hair as well.
    I've been using Paul Mitchell round trip for years with great results. It's very lightweight but provides decent hold. I've been experimenting with flax seed gel in combination with the round trip and I like that too.
    I've always used a diffuser, upside down, and scrunched as well. Plopping and clipping are new to me but it seems to work ok for me.
    Second day hair doesn't really happen unless I rewet and start with wet hair. Strict co washing isn't working because my hair is too fine and is weighed down by the moisture.

    Sounds interesting! Is the PM Round Trip CG? Are you CG? I can't imagine that co-washing could work well for a lot of people with fine AND thin hair. I think our hair looks so much worse if it's overconditioned or going towards being overconditioned.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Lynaea wrote: »
    Yay! Wavydaze has joined the New and Improved Hair Properties Revolution! :thumbleft:

    :salut:
    Lynaea wrote: »
    What products are you using that define, moisturize but don't weigh down?
    I use protein and protein with a little protein on top! :icon_smile: My F / LP hair can't seem to get enough protein and is weighed down by just about anything that claims to be moisturizing. My current faves are in my siggy.

    I'm also finding that protein is the way to go! I think we might need to err more on the side of protein rather than moisture.
    Lynaea wrote: »
    Does clumping work for you or does it make your hair look even thinner?
    Hmm, I'm still torn on this, if I can get good sized clumps going my hair looks good but if the clumps are small and stringy it tends to look thin, it seems like it should be the opposite. If I omit the gel I still get decent hair and it definitely looks thicker but its less wavy.

    Hmmm that's interesting. When I get big clumps I find it more obvious that I have little hair, but then when I go for smaller, broken up clumps I find my hair is "see through" which I also don't love.
    Lynaea wrote: »
    Good second day hair - does it happen for you? Any tricks?
    I'm 2A so if my hair's not super wavy the next day I put it back, braid it or comb it out a bit. Essentially I can always get wearable 2nd day hair, it just isn't necessarily wavy 2nd day hair.

    2a is still wavy! :) But I know what you mean! I'm definitely 2b with 2c bits on wash day and my waves last all day but not necessarily through the night, so they're much looser on days 2 & 3. It's not a bad thing, just different. Sometimes I like it more, sometimes less, it depends. More volume usually!
    Lynaea wrote: »
    Techniques/products for volume?
    Volumax Mega Gel from Sally's !!! Also clipping and using a headband after diffusing. I also slide my fingers in my hair, along my scalp and lift the hair up and shake to loosen some of the hold at the roots and add some lift/volume. Honestly I've had poofy-frizzhead all my life and I am completely willing to trade some volume for defined, shiny, wavy hair.

    OOoh, I'm back Stateside (yay so I get to try all the things I couldn't try last year!) and I'll have to look into the Volumax gel. I just got the SheaMoisture shampoos (Moisture Retention & Coconut/Hibiscus) and the Coconut/Hibiscus curl & style Milk. Haven't tried the poos yet but I LOVE the Milk!! Used it as a leave-in and my waves sprung up! I was also at CVS and picked up DermOrganic "Firm Hold Volume Foam." Do you use mousses? I've never tried but I always hear they're supposed to be good for fine/thin hair.
    Lynaea wrote: »
    Anything that has thickened your hair?
    I don't think that's possible really although I swear my hair feels thicker / less fine when its all proofed up and frizzy in the summer. Maybe the humidity swells it or raises the cuticle some?

    Yes! The other day I just threw in the towel on my hair and frizzed it up on purpose. I shook my head as hard as I could when I got out of the shower to break up all the clumps and have it go every which direction. Yes more volume. More hair seemingly. And a whole lotta frizz.
    Lynaea wrote: »
    Share tips on cute updos, accessories, or anything else to make your hair feel fabulous!
    I do braids quite a bit, mostly French braids, I also do a flipped through ponytail: put your hair in a regular ponytail --> loosen it enough that you can slip your thumb and forefinger through from the bottom --> flip the length up and grab it, pulling it through the hole you made --> use a comb to smooth the back / hole area back together and maybe use a bit of hairspray or spray gel to keep flyaways and escapees to a minimum.

    I'm having trouble visualizing the flipped up ponytail technique, but I'm interested. I never learned to french braid... guess it's time to start!
    Lynaea wrote: »
    I have a Journal in the LP forum, I didn't start it until several months into CG but every product and technique I've tried over the last couple months is there for anyone to peruse. This thread was a great idea, I hope others respond.

    I have seen it! I will give it a read through!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • AKgirlAKgirl Posts: 341Registered Users
    1. What products are you using that define, moisturize but don't weigh down?
    Cure care leave in moisturizes, but because its packed with protein my hair loves it! Suave coconut naturals is enough moisture for a rinse out for me

    I use LOOB (clumps and define), morrocanoil curl mousse (define and volume), BSRHG (define). I also like Epsom salt sprays for wave enhancement and body.

    2. What techniques do you use? (Plopping, scrunching, clipping etc.)

    I plop, but only for a short time. Or else I get flat head.

    What helps the most is rinsing upside down with cold water, adding product in fairly wet hair, scrunching the water out and then clipping. If I diffuse it adds lots of volume too, but I'm trying not to.

    3. Does clumping work for you or does it make your hair look even thinner?

    It works for me, I use to think it didn't, but it has to be clumped in order to get more than one day out of my hair.

    3. Good second day hair - does it happen for you? Any tricks?

    It happens if I get good day one hair and I usually can't reapply any product or it'll get weighed down and look producty. The only thing I like is condish, water, ouidad botanical spray, and a little of the curly sexy spray mousse.

    4. Techniques/products for volume?

    Upside rinsing and clipping.

    5. Do you diffuse?

    On occasion, but trying to be nice to my hair.


    I have high porosity hair that is a 2a wave (can get more with the right products), really fine and I'd say on the thin side of normal density.
    2a-2bFii NP?

    Low poo: Deva Low-Poo, Jessicurl GLS, Moroccanoil Volumizing Shampoo, Aveda Be Curly
    Condish: Cure Care, Redken Body Full, Deva One C, and Jessicurl Aloeba
    LI: Aveda Be Curly Style Prep <3
    Products: Deva FFVF & Jessicurl Spiralicious (LOVE), TRESemme Curl Boosting Mousse
    Hairspray: Aussie Sprunch, TRESemme Curl
    locking Spray
    Experimenting with lots of products in my cabinet...


    My hair loves protein, plopping, and diffusing! Trying to find a way to style and air dry.
  • AKgirlAKgirl Posts: 341Registered Users
    Oh LOTS of protein is KEY!!
    2a-2bFii NP?

    Low poo: Deva Low-Poo, Jessicurl GLS, Moroccanoil Volumizing Shampoo, Aveda Be Curly
    Condish: Cure Care, Redken Body Full, Deva One C, and Jessicurl Aloeba
    LI: Aveda Be Curly Style Prep <3
    Products: Deva FFVF & Jessicurl Spiralicious (LOVE), TRESemme Curl Boosting Mousse
    Hairspray: Aussie Sprunch, TRESemme Curl
    locking Spray
    Experimenting with lots of products in my cabinet...


    My hair loves protein, plopping, and diffusing! Trying to find a way to style and air dry.
  • JhtdrtJhtdrt Posts: 56Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    Jhtdrt wrote: »
    Sounds interesting! Is the PM Round Trip CG? Are you CG? I can't imagine that co-washing could work well for a lot of people with fine AND thin hair. I think our hair looks so much worse if it's overconditioned or going towards being overconditioned.

    I just discovered CG about eight weeks ago. I had been using all the expensive salon shampoos and conditioners thinking they would help my hair. I had been trying to make my hair healthier and that is how I stumbled on the CG method. I tried just co washing but it was just too much conditioner. I've also tried two different cleansing conditioners paired with the sauve naturals and I can do that once a week and then once a week I use the Deva low poo. It's been working really well. The PM round trip has a water soluble cone but I love it. I'm really liking flax seed gel too other than my hair is blond-ish and it makes it look dull and darker.
    Oh and I got what is probably the best hair cut I've ever had today. Went to my normal stylist. Let her use her normal products and cut it wet which she has always done. Came home and washed her crap out and my hair looks fabulous!!
  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    I was also at CVS and picked up DermOrganic "Firm Hold Volume Foam." Do you use mousses? I've never tried but I always hear they're supposed to be good for fine/thin hair.

    I have tried a few mousses, that one included but I need way more hold to get more than 2A waves. I really like the lowpoo, condish and spray gel from that brand though. I use the spray gel when I'm doing braids or pulled back styles to keep frizz and flyaways at bay.
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    Pic of flipped through ponytail. ImageUploadedByCurlTalk1371255963.213310.jpg
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Jhtdrt wrote: »
    I tried just co washing but it was just too much conditioner. I've also tried two different cleansing conditioners paired with the sauve naturals and I can do that once a week and then once a week I use the Deva low poo.

    You can low-poo regularly and still be CG! I think co-washing actually thinned my hair, so there's no way I'm going back. There's lots of good low-poos on the market now. When the CG Handbook came out years ago... there weren't many low-poos available, so conditioner-cleansing was a good alternative to sulfate poos. Now I don't think that's the case anymore, as in there are good alternatives to sulfate cleansing that aren't conditioners.

    If you want any low-poo recs, I really like the Giovanni 50/50 & TTTT, and the SM low-poos are also non-stripping and very moisturizing.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Lynaea, that flipped-up ponytail look is GORGEOUS!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • JhtdrtJhtdrt Posts: 56Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    Jhtdrt wrote: »
    If you want any low-poo recs, I really like the Giovanni 50/50 & TTTT, and the SM low-poos are also non-stripping and very moisturizing.

    Thanks for the recommendations! I've tried the SM coconut and hibiscus and I'm not crazy about it. I've never seen the Giovanni line anywhere. Ill have to look for it.
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Are you US based? If so, they sell them at Whole Foods.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • AnnieHeartEcoAnnieHeartEco Posts: 13Registered Users
    Okay, here is my response! It gets a bit redundant because I mention the same products over and over but oh well! :) For reference, I have 2b fine hair!
    1. How do you cleanse?
    I usually use L'Oreal EverStrong Thickening Shampoo (It's sulfate free!). I find that it has helped strengthen, thicken, and grow out my hair without drying it out! I have the EverCurl shampoo, but I find it makes my hair stick to my scalp too much, it's even LESS volumized if that is even possible!
    2. What products are you using that define, moisturize but don't weigh down?
    For conditioner, I like to alternate between the Everstrong Thickening Conditioner and the EverCurl Conditioner (when used in small quantities, it defines my waves without weighing it down unlike the shampoo!). I haven't ever been completely taken by any leave-in/detangler ever, the one I have most recently used is the EverCurl Dual Oil just because I wanted to try out that line, I find that it works fine, it detangles my hair like a dream and makes it shine more than anything else, you just have to be sure to spray only a bit on your hair at first, then add more if you need it, because it definitely has the potential to weigh down your waves if you use too much!

    The BEST PRODUCT I have ever used on my waves is Miss Jessie's Pillow Soft Curls, if I apply it when my hair is 50% air dried and lightly scrunch it ever so often until it dries completely, I have the curl-look I desire! Most products either don't do enough (or anything) for my waves and I'll have to use multiple things to get an okay look, or make them overly crunchy and unnatural looking. This gives me a look that I can't get with anything else and is totally worth the money because you need fewer products and I, at least, am happier with the results! This is how my hair looks WITH Pillow Soft (sorry, I didn't realize the picture would be so big!) IMG_20130615_233425_zpsf73726cf.jpg
    You don't want to see it without, lol
    Occasionally I'll use just NYM Beach Babe Spray to get the tousled, messy, beachy look too. It's very affordable and is the only beach spray that doesn't dry my hair!

    3. What techniques do you use? (Plopping, scrunching, clipping etc.)
    I generally just scrunch my hair while it's air drying, applying product when it's 50% dry
    4. Does clumping work for you or does it make your hair look even thinner?
    I don't know what that is?
    5. Good second day hair - does it happen for you? Any tricks?
    Satin pillow case and maybe even a satin bonnet if you sleep like a madwoman! When you wake, try not to comb hair if you can avoid it, sprtiz with water, apply a tad bit more product, scrunch and be happy!
    6. Techniques/products for volume?
    L'Oreal EverStron Thickening line + Pillow Soft curls give my hair great style and volume :)
    7. Do you diffuse?
    I try not to unless I am in a rush!
    8. If you have a lot of scalp showing through, is there anything you do to minimize it?
    Try the thickening products I have mentioned, then if you still feel self conscious, either consider dyeing your hair a color closer to your skin tone (it's harder to tell this way) or invest in a hair powder to disguise the thin look until your hair thickens up (it takes a while, be patient! Try improving your diet too, if you can)
    9. Anything that has thickened your hair?
    Yes, the EverStrong products I have mentioned!
    10. Share tips on cute updos, accessories, or anything else to make your hair feel fabulous!
    I personally tend to wear my hair down, but if I wear it up, I like to do a volumized loose bun, sort of tease the crown a bit and leave my bangs out and add pretty bobby pins or a cute headband!
    Wavy 2b baby-fine hair, low density, porosity ??
    Low Poo: Lush Karma Komba(HG), KC Come Clean
    Rinse out: KCKT or Lush Veganese
    Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, NYM Beach Babe Spray, KCSS
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Annie, your hair is beautiful!

    I was curious in the Pillow Soft Curls and looked up the ingredients:

    Water (Aqua), Emulsifying Wax NF, Glycerin, Amodimethicone, Behentrimonium Chloride, Methyl Gluceth-20, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Blue 1 (CI 42090), Fragrance (Parfum), Limonene, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil, Safflower (Carthamus Tinctorius) Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Alpha Isomethyl Ionone, Citric Acid, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Silk Amino Acids, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein/PVP Crosspolymer, Linalool, Hexyl Cinnamal, Amyl Cinnamal, Citronellol, Benzyl Salicylate, Hydroxyisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Benzyl Alcohol, Sodium Benzoate, Potassium Sorbate, Hydroxycitronellal, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract, Equisetum Arvense Leaf Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Althaea Officinalis Root Extract, Agave Americana Leaf Extract

    Glycerin is high up on the list so that's a no, at least for me, in high dews. It also contains amodimethicone, which is a cone and would require a low-poo w/ c. betaine. Okay! Maybe i'll give it a try at some point if I ever live in moderate dews. Thanks for sharing though!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Clumping is when your hair is broken up into individual waves/curls instead of it being like a sheet/curtain of hair. Most of the curlies on this board have clumps, and mastering the art of clumping is a hot topic lol. Some prefer it when the clumps are bigger, some when the clumps are smaller, and different techniques are used to achieve either style.

    I personally have mixed feelings about clumps on my fine, thin hair. I think it makes it look more thin but the definition is definitely nice.


    Re: thickening products. I've always wondered whether this was just marketing. I imagine the only thing that really thickens a hair strand would be protein, but even then, the protein would more so bind to the gaps in the hair shaft not add width. If width was added it would be infinitesimally small.

    I think certain ingredients/products can add structure and volume and make your hair look thicker. Dry shampoos, baby powder to the crown will do this.

    I've actually started using the SM Coconut/Hibiscus Curl & Style Milk, and it has a lot of protein and I notice "sugar starch" is high up on the ingredients list. Let me tell you I am LOVING the volume I get from this on 2nd day hair. Woweee. I think it's because of the starch. My hair looks so much thicker! I know it's just more air/starch but I'm okay with that. :laughing6:
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • AnnieHeartEcoAnnieHeartEco Posts: 13Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    Annie, your hair is beautiful!

    I was curious in the Pillow Soft Curls and looked up the ingredients:

    Water (Aqua), Emulsifying Wax NF, Glycerin, Amodimethicone, Behentrimonium Chloride, Methyl Gluceth-20, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Blue 1 (CI 42090), Fragrance (Parfum), Limonene, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil, Safflower (Carthamus Tinctorius) Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Alpha Isomethyl Ionone, Citric Acid, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Silk Amino Acids, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein/PVP Crosspolymer, Linalool, Hexyl Cinnamal, Amyl Cinnamal, Citronellol, Benzyl Salicylate, Hydroxyisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Benzyl Alcohol, Sodium Benzoate, Potassium Sorbate, Hydroxycitronellal, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract, Equisetum Arvense Leaf Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Althaea Officinalis Root Extract, Agave Americana Leaf Extract

    Glycerin is high up on the list so that's a no, at least for me, in high dews. It also contains amodimethicone, which is a cone and would require a low-poo w/ c. betaine. Okay! Maybe i'll give it a try at some point if I ever live in moderate dews. Thanks for sharing though!

    Thank you so much!
    Yeah, I know, I was a little apprehensive to buy it because of the ingredients (I usually use things on the more natural side, if not strictly organic) but I was having bad luck with other curl products so I decided to just give it a try, and I don't regret it at all! :love7: If you ever want to try something new, I would totally recommend it!
    Wavy 2b baby-fine hair, low density, porosity ??
    Low Poo: Lush Karma Komba(HG), KC Come Clean
    Rinse out: KCKT or Lush Veganese
    Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, NYM Beach Babe Spray, KCSS
  • AKgirlAKgirl Posts: 341Registered Users
    Wow, Annie! I love your hair, I'm very tempted to try it even tho it has a cone in it.

    Sent from my KFJWI using Tapatalk HD
    2a-2bFii NP?

    Low poo: Deva Low-Poo, Jessicurl GLS, Moroccanoil Volumizing Shampoo, Aveda Be Curly
    Condish: Cure Care, Redken Body Full, Deva One C, and Jessicurl Aloeba
    LI: Aveda Be Curly Style Prep <3
    Products: Deva FFVF & Jessicurl Spiralicious (LOVE), TRESemme Curl Boosting Mousse
    Hairspray: Aussie Sprunch, TRESemme Curl
    locking Spray
    Experimenting with lots of products in my cabinet...


    My hair loves protein, plopping, and diffusing! Trying to find a way to style and air dry.
  • JhtdrtJhtdrt Posts: 56Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    Are you US based? If so, they sell them at Whole Foods.

    I have the SM coconut and hibiscus shampoo but I wasn't crazy about it. I found the Giovanni TTTT at target yesterday. Never thought to look over by the make up. I got that and the YTC conditioner and kinky curly spiral spritz. Can't wait to try them.
  • AKgirlAKgirl Posts: 341Registered Users
    Annie, I went ahead and got some. Since I low poo it shouldn't be an issue. Looking forward to using it. Hoping for good results.
    2a-2bFii NP?

    Low poo: Deva Low-Poo, Jessicurl GLS, Moroccanoil Volumizing Shampoo, Aveda Be Curly
    Condish: Cure Care, Redken Body Full, Deva One C, and Jessicurl Aloeba
    LI: Aveda Be Curly Style Prep <3
    Products: Deva FFVF & Jessicurl Spiralicious (LOVE), TRESemme Curl Boosting Mousse
    Hairspray: Aussie Sprunch, TRESemme Curl
    locking Spray
    Experimenting with lots of products in my cabinet...


    My hair loves protein, plopping, and diffusing! Trying to find a way to style and air dry.
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Ooh yes post your results ladies!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Janicke31Janicke31 Posts: 53Registered Users
    I'm only about 2 weeks into CG so i'm still experimenting on products and techniques.

    Lo-poo i'm using Shea Moisture Yucca Thickening Shampoo.

    Deep Treatment i'm using Shea Moisture Yucca Masque.

    Co-wash and rinse out conditioner I've used Suave Naturals Coconut conditioner and VO5 Shea Cashmere.

    leave in i've used Suave Naturals Coconut and Shea Moisture Yucca Milk.

    Gel I've used: LA Looks mega hold, Kinky curly Spiral Spritz and LA Looks Nutra Curl moisturizing.

    I've plopped, clipped, and air dried.

    I can't manage to get decent 2nd day hair, can't seem to stop the frizz by the end of the day.

    I live in South FL and it's dewy and humid here almost 365 days a year.

    I'm not sure about my properties yet. I would love to figure them out. I think I have thin fine low density high porosity but i'm not sure.

    I'm not sure if my hair likes protein or not...I wish it would talk to me and tell me so this process would be easier!!!!

    I'm on the hunt for a satin pillow case.
    2b, Fine, Low density, Normal porosity.

    Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

    Lo-poo: SM yucca
    Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
    LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

    Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet :oops:, Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

    Live in Miami where it's really HUMID:pukel:
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    You can order a hair analysis from livecurlylivefree.com!

    If you're having tons of frizz in low-dews it might be due to humectants. Is there any glycerin in your styling products? I have to avoid glycerin in very high dews.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Janicke31Janicke31 Posts: 53Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    You can order a hair analysis from livecurlylivefree.com!

    If you're having tons of frizz in low-dews it might be due to humectants. Is there any glycerin in your styling products? I have to avoid glycerin in very high dews.

    Yesterday and today I used glycerin free products. Can't say I have TONS of frizz but there's definitely frizz there.

    Thanks for the suggestion, I will look into getting a hair analysis.
    2b, Fine, Low density, Normal porosity.

    Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

    Lo-poo: SM yucca
    Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
    LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

    Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet :oops:, Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

    Live in Miami where it's really HUMID:pukel:
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    I would say frizz is generally caused by:

    1. improper moisture/protein balance
    2. humectants (especially glycerin) in high dews
    3. handling/touching hair while it's drying
    4. rubbing hair w/ a terry towel after showering
    5. product buildup
    6. When you think your hair is straighter than it actually is, and you do things like brush it straight. You're literally brushing out the wave/curl, so instead of all those waves/curls hanging out together in clumps, the hairs themselves hang out in opposite directions and create that fluffy look.

    You have to remember that in very high dews you may never be completely frizz free, but with proper care you should see a significant reduction in frizz.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • AKgirlAKgirl Posts: 341Registered Users
    Okay, so I went ahead and used the miss jessies pillow soft curls tonight. First I pre-pooed with some coconut oil for about 30 minutes. Then I washed with SM volumizing shampoo, conditioned with redken body full with some drops of NPF for protein boost, finger combed and let sit for a bit. Parted hair and cold rinsed upside down with cold water while scrunching hair. I then used ouidad botanical spray as leave in and redken body full spray, scrunched and sealed with a drop or two of grape seed oil. Scrunched out water added a little pillow soft curls and plopped for 5-10 minutes. Then I scrunched in more pillow soft curls, clipped and air dried. I had to scrunch out a tiny bit of crunch (not much at all, so little it would have UN crunched on its own), but I'm quite impressed with the volume I have from air drying. I do like a bit more definition, so next time I may top with my mousse or a gel. But this will be perfect for wash and go hair, because I will not leave the house with crunchy hair lol.

    Forgive my lack of make up. I'm going to pineapple and head to bed.


    Sent from my KFJWI using Tapatalk HD
    2a-2bFii NP?

    Low poo: Deva Low-Poo, Jessicurl GLS, Moroccanoil Volumizing Shampoo, Aveda Be Curly
    Condish: Cure Care, Redken Body Full, Deva One C, and Jessicurl Aloeba
    LI: Aveda Be Curly Style Prep <3
    Products: Deva FFVF & Jessicurl Spiralicious (LOVE), TRESemme Curl Boosting Mousse
    Hairspray: Aussie Sprunch, TRESemme Curl
    locking Spray
    Experimenting with lots of products in my cabinet...


    My hair loves protein, plopping, and diffusing! Trying to find a way to style and air dry.
  • Janicke31Janicke31 Posts: 53Registered Users
    AKgirl i love your hair. ;)
    2b, Fine, Low density, Normal porosity.

    Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

    Lo-poo: SM yucca
    Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
    LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

    Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet :oops:, Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

    Live in Miami where it's really HUMID:pukel:
  • Kre8tivChikKre8tivChik Posts: 1Registered Users
    Thanks to this thread, I'm officially posting for the first time! I've been doing a lot of reading/learning the last few months, but didn't really feel like I knew enough to weigh in. But a post for fine-haired 2's is just what I needed!

    1. How do you cleanse?
    This has changed, repeatedly. I found the Curly Girl book in November and started co-washing more. I had already been shampooing only once every few days. I switched to a sulfate free shampoo. But, my hair has thinned significantly in the last few years, and I stumbled across a shampoo/conditioner from Aveda that's supposed to help. So, I'm using that right now. It's not sulfate free, and I'm using it every other day with just a water rinse in between to reactivate my curls.

    2. What products are you using that define, moisturize but don't weigh down?
    I wish I knew! I've started keeping a journal of what I use daily and the results. I can probably tell you what I've had bad luck with more than what I've had good luck with. :angry3:

    3. What techniques do you use? (Plopping, scrunching, clipping etc.)
    I recently tried pixie-diffusing thanks to this thread - it worked pretty well! I get some wonky flat spots on the top of my head though, no matter what I do. Plopping made them worse. Clipping can be good or bad, just depends on the day. The "Consistently Awesome" technique is my new go-to, everyday routine. It doesn't seem to matter what product I use, it always works! http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/92240-consistently-awesome-hair-technique.html

    4. Does clumping work for you or does it make your hair look even thinner?
    My hair was looking pretty stringy til I found "Consistently Awesome" - I think it clumps enough, but not too much. I have to be really careful around my roots though - if they clump, I look bald!

    5. Good second day hair - does it happen for you? Any tricks?
    It has happened for me, once. Usually my hair looks better on days I don't shampoo, but I still have to water-rinse or wet my curls with sea salt spray (homemade) and restyle.

    6. Techniques/products for volume?
    Usually just diffusing upside down is my best bet. Products don't seem to matter unless they themselves are very heavy. I try to stick to mousse because it's lighter, but with the high dews right now, I have to use gel first.

    7. Do you diffuse?
    I have to. Air drying leaves everything poorly defined and stuck to my scalp.

    8. If you have a lot of scalp showing through, is there anything you do to minimize it?
    Ruffle the roots gently with my fingertips. Or try to arrange the hair and use hairspray to make it stay put (I try to avoid doing this regularly, just special occasions). Also, pulling my "bangs" back hides it pretty well.

    9. Anything that has thickened your hair?
    Not yet. I'm hoping the Invati system does.

    10. What haircut would you recommend?
    I think my hair actually looked thicker when it was BSL and not layered at all. I did a big chop in February for donation, and it's looked a little sparse since then.

    11. Share tips on cute updos, accessories, anything that spruces up your hair or is a go-to.
    I pull my hair up with bobby pins A LOT. It's a little too short right now to make it all stay, so I'm looking forward to growing it out a bit more. Headbands are key when the roots are being flat or clumping too much.

    Thanks so much for bringing all this together in one place! My hair can use any advice you ladies have!
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    I'm glad this thread is helping and compelled you to share!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • kleinehexekleinehexe Posts: 80Registered Users
    I think this is where I fit in. I have fine and thin hair for my top layer especially my crown.

    I'm still trying to figure out the washing hair thing. I co-washed once and it was awful. I don't know if it's normal transition or if my hair really doesn't do well with co-washing. It was pretty horrid though. My hair was flat, heavy, greasy feeling, dark, and wet looking.

    I washed a couple days later with low-poo and it looked better. Not as fluffy as when I used sulfate poo though. I'll have to try some of the low-poo suggested here. I bought Everyday Shea Moisture Shampoo, but after I bought it I learned it has soap in it so it may be drying to my scalp. I think I may try my kids' NG Baby Shampoo.

    I'm not a fan of clumping. When my hair clumps I have some impressive (not in a good way) bald spots. Not a fan of that at all. So what does one do to prevent clumping close to the root so that one does not have bald spots?

    I've always air dryed. I'm coveting the Deva fuser dryer though. Oh, the soft cover diffuser thingie that sits on your head that is being discussed right now looks intriguing.

    I bought DermOrganic Volumizing Foam the other day. I've tried it once so far. It was on second day hair though, and I had a ton of frizz. My waves are pretty intact 2nd days but the frizz is crazy. I already have a satin pillow case. Maybe I should try silk?
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