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Most moisturizing hair mask/conditioner you've found?

I'm super sensitive to any protein and don't really use silicones, but I'd reconsider the silicones if my hair would just look decent. Something happened with my hormones after pregnancy and now my hair is a fluff ball no matter what I do. I even tried olive oil!!! It soaked it up like nothing lol. Okay, not really, but I didn't notice any difference, so I assume that it didn't help a bit.

Thanks for the suggestions...for the record, I've been using Devacurl and sheamoisture products...oh and the AO Honeysuckle Rose condish.

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  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Seems like a silly question but what do you mean by moisturising? Neither olive oil nor silicones add moisture (humectants = water) they repel water so are more like anti humectants. If your hair has changed, maybe it's response to proteins has too?

    Are you considering your hair properties and humidity/ dew points in your choice of products? You products contain glycerin and shea butter, either of those cause problems for some curlies.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • Fluffy01Fluffy01 Posts: 271Registered Users
    I have low porosity hair. I don't color it, heat style much, etc. Protein constricts the cuticle even further preventing even more moisture from entering. It gives me frizz. If anything my hair became even more less porous after pregnancy. It has never ever held moisture well unless I had my hair short. For some reason, my shorter curls always looked fabulous. :afro:

    If I can't use oils or silicones...or glycerin...then what am I left with to moisturize my hair? The oils worked in the past...I mean my hair felt moisturized.

    I live in a high dewpoint area...South Carolina.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Fluffy01 wrote: »
    I have low porosity hair. I don't color it, heat style much, etc. Protein constricts the cuticle even further preventing even more moisture from entering. It gives me frizz. If anything my hair became even more less porous after pregnancy. It has never ever held moisture well unless I had my hair short. For some reason, my shorter curls always looked fabulous. :afro:

    If I can't use oils or silicones...or glycerin...then what am I left with to moisturize my hair? The oils worked in the past...I mean my hair felt moisturized.

    I live in a high dewpoint area...South Carolina.

    I didn't suggest you cannot use oils, simply that they do not add moisture. Ingredients that may help your hair feel in better condition (assume this is what you mean by feeling moisturised?) include panthenol, ceramides, cationic surfactants and fatty alcohols, anything at pH 4.5 to 5.5.

    Many curlies have problems with glycerin in high dew points so might be worth experimenting with a glycerin free routine; shea butter does not penetrate and can build up so you might clarify (or chelate if you have hard water/ go swimming).
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • PheebiePheebie Posts: 177Registered Users
    Jessicurl Deep Treatment is my favorite. I've tried so many masks & deep conditioners and nothing compares to this one.
    Hair Type: 3A/3B; natural color; mid-back length.
    Shampoo: Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus (2 - 3 times/week)
    Fave Rinse-Out Conditioners: HE Hello Hydration; Yes to Blueberries; GVP Conditioning Balm;
    Styling Routine: Squish-scrunch product /conditioner into soaking wet, upside down hair; plop for 10 minutes, air dry. (Diffuser dry front section.)
    Fave Styling Products: KCKT; Tigi Curl Amplifier Creme; Batia & Aleeza gel; Giovanni Sunset Styler; LA Looks Sport Gel.
  • curry curlscurry curls Posts: 964Registered Users Curl Novice
    Once a week I use Sally Beauty's GVP conditioning balm and add hemp oil to it. I leave it on for an hour. My hair is loving it. :)
    Started CG July 8, 2008 :)


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    Co-wash: Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle or Trader Joe's Nourish Spa
    Rinse out: Ion Effective Care Treatment
    Leave-in/Styling: Alba Botanica leave in with Kenra Moisturizing Conditioner :love2: on top
  • tycho19tycho19 Posts: 805Registered Users
    Dermorganic masque.
    2B/2C wavy
    Don't Breed and Buy While Shelter Dogs Die - Adopt your next best friend!
  • Fluffy01Fluffy01 Posts: 271Registered Users
    Fluffy01 wrote: »
    I have low porosity hair. I don't color it, heat style much, etc. Protein constricts the cuticle even further preventing even more moisture from entering. It gives me frizz. If anything my hair became even more less porous after pregnancy. It has never ever held moisture well unless I had my hair short. For some reason, my shorter curls always looked fabulous. :afro:

    If I can't use oils or silicones...or glycerin...then what am I left with to moisturize my hair? The oils worked in the past...I mean my hair felt moisturized.

    I live in a high dewpoint area...South Carolina.

    I didn't suggest you cannot use oils, simply that they do not add moisture. Ingredients that may help your hair feel in better condition (assume this is what you mean by feeling moisturised?) include panthenol, ceramides, cationic surfactants and fatty alcohols, anything at pH 4.5 to 5.5.

    Many curlies have problems with glycerin in high dew points so might be worth experimenting with a glycerin free routine; shea butter does not penetrate and can build up so you might clarify (or chelate if you have hard water/ go swimming).

    This is great info...thanks! Where do you find out the ph of products? I mean most products don't even list it right? Thanks again!
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Fluffy01 wrote: »
    This is great info...thanks! Where do you find out the ph of products? I mean most products don't even list it right? Thanks again!

    You can e-mail the company, Google just in case someone else has tested or asked (see below), or purchase some pH test strips for any products you already own. If they say 'pH balanced' that often means neutral or 7. Komaza Care and As I Am brands offer lower pH haircare products.

    The Scoop on Vinegar
    THE NATURAL HAVEN: pH of Shampoo : The Ultimate List!
    THE NATURAL HAVEN: pH of Conditioners
    THE NATURAL HAVEN: pH of Leave In Conditioners and Styling Aids
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    i do extra virgin coconut oil deep treatments. I find coconut oil to be very moisturizing.... Firefox... you're saying that oils don't moisturize? I always get confused about this. I always thought they did, or at least coconut oil does.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • jennagjennag Posts: 44Registered Users
    I also have very sensitive, coarse hair I have been experimenting with. I just gave up on coconut oil, my hair actually started breaking and just got oily and looked dirty, even with only using the smallest amount. Olive oil was ok, but still looked oily. Shea butter was better, but still not right. Any proteins were awful. I am playing with jojoba, grapeseed and avocado oil, but I have to be so careful. I would love a DT and LI that keeps moisture better.
    3A/3B, coarse, low porosity, high density, iii I believe (?), low to normal elasticity.

    CoWash/LI: VO5 Ocean Breeze/Shea Moisture
    Style:IOkra Gel/KCCC
    Plop 10 min / air dry
  • rainboerainboe Posts: 284Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    i do extra virgin coconut oil deep treatments. I find coconut oil to be very moisturizing.... Firefox... you're saying that oils don't moisturize? I always get confused about this. I always thought they did, or at least coconut oil does.

    I agree, I've always heard oils are moisturizing, and my Hair gets moisturized by Products containing oils. Humectants are also useful for drying in moisture. i live in a high dew point area, and I can still use them without problems. Especially oils like coconut oil, that are suppose to penetrate the hair shaft. Also, all oils can seal moisture into the hair, protecting it from the elements drying it out.

    For me, pH isn't an important factor or hair care. I'm pretty sure the pH of conditioners usually screws slightly acidic.
    Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
    Lowpoo: Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
    Rinse Out:
    Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
    LI: Yes to Carrots
    Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    i do extra virgin coconut oil deep treatments. I find coconut oil to be very moisturizing.... Firefox... you're saying that oils don't moisturize? I always get confused about this. I always thought they did, or at least coconut oil does.

    I wonder if you are mixing up 'moisturising' with conditioning or emollience. Moisturising means increasing water (= moisture), oils repel water it is humectants that attract water. Deep treatments with coconut oil work by the lauric acid penetrating and reducing porosity, coating the hair in a thin layer of fatty acids and increasing elasticity so overall your hair may feel in better condition. The anti humectant property is not a bad thing as it might sound, you don't actually want too much water in the hair.

    Some oils can form a semi permeable 'seal' so that water held by other moisturising ingredients (in a conditioner say) remains in the hair for a little longer, coconut is not the best for sealing. Oh, the exception is castor oil that does apparently have some humectant properties so can moisturise if used within a formula.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • Purplecurls17Purplecurls17 Posts: 152Registered Users
    I'm searching for a deep treatment method too! It's so hard because my hair fluctuates with the weather ( I live in New England do the weather is wicked shifty!)
    If you want something cheap I liked Aussie deeep treatment and I'm kinda into my two Garnier ones, although I an not super impressed. They have comes though. I'm mod CG so they don't bother me.
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    I wonder if you are mixing up 'moisturising' with conditioning or emollience. Moisturising means increasing water (= moisture), oils repel water it is humectants that attract water. Deep treatments with coconut oil work by the lauric acid penetrating and reducing porosity, coating the hair in a thin layer of fatty acids and increasing elasticity so overall your hair may feel in better condition. The anti humectant property is not a bad thing as it might sound, you don't actually want too much water in the hair.

    Yes, i've always thought of moisturizing and conditioning the same thing. How much water should be in your hair anyway?

    I'm still confused though... when we talk about dry hair, it's not like water is the solution. Conditioning would be the solution, right? (Of course, having proper protein would also help keep hair from losing moisture.)
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    It's a semantics game, whether something is adding moisture or sealing it, if the end result is less dry hair I don't care and I'm guilty of using these words interchangeably.

    Humectant is important to distinguish because it's drawing moisture from the air...or your hair/

    Coconut oil helping your hair retain protein versus a PT actually adding protein isn't as important to me since I'm protein sensitive and result is the same...might be more important to someone who has damaged hair and needs protein.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive