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Shampoo causing buildup :-/

In the beginning my hair really liked the Taliah Waajid herbal hair wash but now I'm finding that my hair is getting weighed down and feels...well, dirty. I use a sulfate shampoo once a week but it doesn't seem to be working. Any suggestions? Idk why all of a sudden my hair is rejecting it. I also use the Taliah Waajid curl sealer, and I wash every day.
Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:

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  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
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    normal porosity/texture/elasticity
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Are you sure it is the shampoo causing the build up, have you double and triple checked all the ingredients in your other products? Saying even your sulphate shampoo is not getting you clean is a red flag to me. Are you literally using nothing but a wash and a styler, no conditioner?
    Your curl sealer contains several polyquats, some from this family can build up, you might research which. Also glycerin can be sticky if overused.
    "soft water, glycerine, polyquaternium 10 and peg 14, polyquaternium 37, dmdm hydantoin, yarrow extract, jua extract, lemon extract, wild mint extract, soap bark extract, polysorbate 20, frgrance"

    Have you done a chelating wash lately, especially if you have hard water or go swimming?
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    It has polyquat 7. Causes me build up type issues.

    water, coco-betaine and sodium cocoyl isethionate, coco glucoside, chamomile extract, polyquaternium 7, vitamin e, ginger extract, cocamide dea, balsam, peg150 pentaerythrityl tetrastearae and peg6, caprylic/capric glycerides, palm oi, methylchloroisothiazolinone, methylisothiazolinone
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
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  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    Are you sure it is the shampoo causing the build up, have you double and triple checked all the ingredients in your other products? Saying even your sulphate shampoo is not getting you clean is a red flag to me. Are you literally using nothing but a wash and a styler, no conditioner?
    Your curl sealer contains several polyquats, some from this family can build up, you might research which. Also glycerin can be sticky if overused.
    "soft water, glycerine, polyquaternium 10 and peg 14, polyquaternium 37, dmdm hydantoin, yarrow extract, jua extract, lemon extract, wild mint extract, soap bark extract, polysorbate 20, frgrance"

    Have you done a chelating wash lately, especially if you have hard water or go swimming?

    Yes just the wash and styler. I did a sulfate wash yesterday with no DC after and my hair seems better today. I think its the herbal wash because I vaguely remember getting buildup last year when I first used it. I'm thinking about trying the imitation wen hair wash from sally's. Would anyone recommend the regular one or the one for curly hair? My hair is weighed down easily so im scared curly products r heavy on moisture so im leaning towards regular

    -normal porosity/texture/elasticity-
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    Thanks kathy

    -normal porosity/texture/elasticity-
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Yes just the wash and styler. I did a sulfate wash yesterday with no DC after and my hair seems better today. I think its the herbal wash because I vaguely remember getting buildup last year when I first used it. I'm thinking about trying the imitation wen hair wash from sally's. Would anyone recommend the regular one or the one for curly hair? My hair is weighed down easily so im scared curly products r heavy on moisture so im leaning towards regular

    -normal porosity/texture/elasticity-

    There are plenty of lighterweight curly hair products even from ranges marketed at 'afro' type hair, you might do best starting to read ingredients lists and understand what family each does. Your current routine contains few to no ingredients that condition hair - emollients - basically reduce friction, patch damage, help the cuticle lay flat. It may be the lack of conditioning agents in your routine is allowing the polyquats to bind to any damaged areas.

    Not sure what you mean by 'moisture', are you confusing this with conditioning/ emollients? Glycerin is a powerful humectant, it is very moisturising in that it attracts water and it is the second ingredient in your styler. I would actually say of the ingredients most likely to build up or weigh hair down many are water resistant or anti-humectants such as butters, certain oils, silicones, also some of the polyquats and fatty alcohols. 'Lighter' ingredients include cationic surfactants, some of the humectants (honey can boost curls for some), ceramides, panthenol.

    Also consider balancing moisture out with hydrolysed protein; you might try a product containing magnesium sulphate (epsom salts) to boost curl without weight.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    It might work differently for you, Skorpio, but for me Wen weighs down my curl pattern. Just a note of warning. But that's probably silicone buildup. I think if you still clarified with a sulfate shampoo often enough that might not happen to you so I'd go ahead and give it a try anyways. It's a quality product and easy to detangle with. I remember the first time I used it was like a revelation. I could actually run a comb through my hair without bringing tears to my eyes.
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    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

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  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    My money is on the polyquat.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

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    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • Aqua_LilyAqua_Lily Posts: 557Registered Users
    Not sure about this anymore, but didn't some/most of the Taliah Waajid products contain beeswax?

    Beeswax causes even worse build-up issues than silicones. And even sodium laureth sulfate has trouble washing it out.
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  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Aqua_Lily wrote: »
    Not sure about this anymore, but didn't some/most of the Taliah Waajid products contain beeswax?

    Beeswax causes even worse build-up issues than silicones. And even sodium laureth sulfate has trouble washing it out.

    Neither of the products she uses contain beeswax. But that curl sealer is a polyquat bomb.

    soft water, glycerine, polyquaternuim 10 and peg 14, polyquaternium 37, dmdm hydantoin, yarrow extract, jua extract, lemon extract, wild mint extract, soap bark extract, polysorbate 20, frgrance
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    What I noticed today was that my hair had a lot of what my friend dubbed as "good frizz." Basically that I got a lot of good volume and had some frizz but it made my hair look good instead of looking like a poofball. I used the same herbal wash and curl sealer, however I clarified yesterday and today was 87% humidity. Apparently humid days make for great hair days for me? Or maybe that and the combo of having clarified yesterday? Any products out there that are humid rainy days in a bottle? :P

    -normal porosity/texture/elasticity-
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Don't draw any conclusions or purchase any products based on a single day.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,970Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Beeswax is the absolute worst for me. One of the Deva products has it and I had to scrub like mad with a sulfate shampoo to get it out.
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
    Every day is a gift :flower:
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    Don't draw any conclusions or purchase any products based on a single day.


    I always like my hair on humid days..


    -normal porosity/texture/elasticity-
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock: