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Well, this is interesting... You Can Touch My Hair Exhibit

SweetSquatchiiSweetSquatchii Posts: 138Registered Users
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  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,757Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Curl Virtuoso
    I would be one of the people touching the various kinds of hair. : )
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  • SweetSquatchiiSweetSquatchii Posts: 138Registered Users
    I would be one of the people touching the various kinds of hair. : )

    Ditto! My girlfriends hair is all natural and I keep telling her one day I am gonna touch it. It's just so beautiful and I'm so tactile that I can't help but fight the urge. ;)
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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    Let's face it, if blacks and non-blacks socialized and dated more, there would be more touching of each others' hair and bodies. There wouldn't be some big question about what "black hair" feels like. "Black hair" wouldn't be on display like some exotic animal in a zoo. I think the fact that such an exhibit was inspired in 2013 could be a sad reminder that our society still suffers racial segregation.

    And so, when people inevitably protest this exhibit, their visceral reactions are partially due to the fact that this exhibit is, at its heart, a representation of modern day segregation. The exhibit may also be suggestive of a kind of fetishizing of a politically disenfranchised group of people. Pain-provoking for some.

    That said, the exhibit also educates people. Life is complex.
  • BeautyisMireeBeautyisMiree Posts: 202Registered Users Curl Neophyte
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    This was basically a social experiment meant to fight the racial stereotypes of African-American hair by allowing strangers to touch 3 volunteers hair. It was considered the modern day Sarah Baartman to many people and basically called a petting zoo.

    What do you guys think about it?
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,134Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I find it weird, especially in the age of the Internet when you can look anything up. I understand the fascination because the hair typically associated with blacks, even curly hair, is usually different than other ethnicities but I see it a little as dehumanizing.

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  • SweetSquatchiiSweetSquatchii Posts: 138Registered Users
    Hmm. That is a perspective I never considered. I have many black friends, and have never touched their hair due to the fact that they'd get pretty irritated with me. ;) I think it's also due to social acceptance of what others consider appropriate or not in the sense that I wouldn't want random people coming up and touching me inappropriately, yet I refrain from touching others out of respect.

    All in how you look at it I guess. :P
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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    Hmm. That is a perspective I never considered. I have many black friends, and have never touched their hair due to the fact that they'd get pretty irritated with me. ;) I think it's also due to social acceptance of what others consider appropriate or not in the sense that I wouldn't want random people coming up and touching me inappropriately, yet I refrain from touching others out of respect.

    All in how you look at it I guess. :P

    I think it's inappropriate no matter what the race. I hate people touching my hair without permission and believe me I get it from white, black, and others. Keep in mind a lot of black women have had relaxers as long as they can remember. They typically only see natural hair that is either braided, loced, super short or pressed. But it's not just the relaxed heads who touch. This past weekend a black woman with locs was asking telling me how she liked my hair and the next thing I knew her fingers were in it. :scratch:

    As for this exhibit, it kinds of rubs me wrong like a black people petting zoo or circus freak show. But obviously these models are willing participants so it's their business. I have never felt the urge to touch anyone's hair so I don't understand all this. I do think you should ask yourself how you would feel about an exhibit to "touch white people really bad sunburn skin" so that those of us who have natural pigment protection would like to know what it feels like. Or "touch Asian people's eyes" ect.
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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    Black Women Stand on NY Street and Allow Strangers to Touch Their Hair as Part of Social Experiment | Black Girl with Long Hair

    This was basically a social experiment meant to fight the racial stereotypes of African-American hair by allowing strangers to touch 3 volunteers hair. It was considered the modern day Sarah Baartman to many people and basically called a petting zoo.

    What do you guys think about it?

    Right. The author said:

    "But it’s well documented that, for many Americans, segregation is a matter of choice and not circumstance. I fear that a display like this allows some people the opportunity to dip into black culture for an experience before returning to the ‘safety’ of a significantly less diverse world."

    For every black person who doesn't want her or his hair touched by someone, there are likely enough who don't mind it, that we shouldn't need some sort of Ripley's Believe It or Not - type affair to exoticize it IMO; for quite a few people to run home and proudly declare, "Guess what I did today, Honey? Why I touched African American hair!" (Not an African, but the hair.) I don't know. Feels like one step from hanging a Ghanian or Native American mask in the house but otherwise remaining oblivious to all or most things African and NA, or actually buying that afro wig and wearing it for Halloween (without black people around) and then throwing it to the back of the closet. (I don't think everyone is like this; especially not most of us, who frankly just seem to be in love with whatever curly hair and how it looks and feels.)

    No one is inherently bad for exploring their curiosity and touching black hair, or someone black placing her hair on display. It's just sad to me that there's so much ignorance about what black hair feels like to begin with. People would know what black hair felt like if inter-race relations were stronger and more frequent since the centuries Africans have been an integral and valuable part of the American community.
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    On the other hand (then I'll shut up LOL) ...

    Was just watching some of the vid footage from the "You Can Touch My Hair" event and it really looks interesting. There are women who are opposing the event w/creative signs like, "You can't touch my hair but you can kiss my ass". And then the two groups of ladies talk about their opposing views in a passionate yet respectful way. Good points made on both sides :blob3:
  • BeautyisMireeBeautyisMiree Posts: 202Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    In all honesty, I thought this was okay and would be even better if they showed more African-American women with different hair types like 3a so those who aren't educated can tell our hair comes in many different types. This really shouldn't be considered a petting zoo because most people are making it seem as one.

    My hair has been curly since the day I was born and since I was growing up I've been asked about my hair and if people could touch it. At first I thought it was ignorant but after a while I realized people are just curious since "black" hair isn't represented as "good" hair in the beauty world and the media.
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,983Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Sounds bizarre to me.
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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    My hair has been curly since the day I was born and since I was growing up I've been asked about my hair and if people could touch it. At first I thought it was ignorant but after a while I realized people are just curious since "black" hair isn't represented as "good" hair in the beauty world and the media.

    So if you think people are interested in touching your hair because they want to know what "bad" hair feels like, how does that make you feel as the object of their negative curiosity? ... That they get to go back and tell their non-black friends all about how "bad" hair feels, because of your hair. ... That they didn't trouble themselves asking your name, or care about who you were underneath that "bad" hair.
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,134Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    In all honesty, I thought this was okay and would be even better if they showed more African-American women with different hair types like 3a so those who aren't educated can tell our hair comes in many different types. This really shouldn't be considered a petting zoo because most people are making it seem as one.

    My hair has been curly since the day I was born and since I was growing up I've been asked about my hair and if people could touch it. At first I thought it was ignorant but after a while I realized people are just curious since "black" hair isn't represented as "good" hair in the beauty world and the media.

    Other than 4b, most other ethnicities, especially those considered white, have curly and kinky curly hair. I would think a predominantly black person with 3a hair would be more of an exception than a rule.

    Maybe I am just jaded and have been the victim of people studying my facial features as if I am an animal too many times to not see this as a freak show. It is one thing to ask one person in private about something racially unique, but another thing entirely to be put on display.

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  • Always@nightAlways@night Posts: 566Registered Users
    I am so late with news it's ridiculous
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    Korkscrew wrote: »
    For every black person who doesn't want her or his hair touched by someone, there are likely enough who don't mind it, that we shouldn't need some sort of Ripley's Believe It or Not - type affair to exoticize it IMO; for quite a few people to run home and proudly declare, "Guess what I did today, Honey? Why I touched African American hair!y.

    Mom - what did you learn in school today?

    Kid - the teacher took us to this exhibit and we got to touch real live black people hair.

    Mom - You don't say! It has been a dream of mine to one day get the chance to touch black people hair ever since I saw Florida and Michael singing and dancing on Good Times. And now my son got that chance. Im so proud and happy. This is.. this is.... DYNOMITE!

    Lololololol!!!
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  • RytokaRytoka Posts: 309Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    This discussion is very interesting. When I mentioned this to my husband he said "it feels like a Brillo pad right?" I told him no, but there is that misconception that it is rough and hard when its really not. It's an interesting way to show people the truth! I grew up in an diverse area and never thought twice about this , ya some girls had "nappy" hair but that crossed racial lines I knew a red head curly when I was young that had the curliest course Brillo hair I had ever seen. Oooooh she needed conditioner ;)
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  • BeautyisMireeBeautyisMiree Posts: 202Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    In all honesty, I thought this was okay and would be even better if they showed more African-American women with different hair types like 3a so those who aren't educated can tell our hair comes in many different types. This really shouldn't be considered a petting zoo because most people are making it seem as one.

    My hair has been curly since the day I was born and since I was growing up I've been asked about my hair and if people could touch it. At first I thought it was ignorant but after a while I realized people are just curious since "black" hair isn't represented as "good" hair in the beauty world and the media.

    Other than 4b, most other ethnicities, especially those considered white, have curly and kinky curly hair. I would think a predominantly black person with 3a hair would be more of an exception than a rule.

    Maybe I am just jaded and have been the victim of people studying my facial features as if I am an animal too many times to not see this as a freak show. It is one thing to ask one person in private about something racially unique, but another thing entirely to be put on display.

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    Really all these girls did was to educate people on "black" hair and they did it in a very simple, blunt, way.

    Wether you like it or not they broke down stereotypes against "black" hair against African-American women and they accomplished that. In my opinion this was an event meant positive for African-American women turned negative by African-American women.
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,275Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I am a white lily but once in college I got my hair cut way short and all around the bottom it was pretty much a buzz cut. I couldn't believe how many people asked to touch (and some didn't ask). It's pretty unnerving.
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,134Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    In all honesty, I thought this was okay and would be even better if they showed more African-American women with different hair types like 3a so those who aren't educated can tell our hair comes in many different types. This really shouldn't be considered a petting zoo because most people are making it seem as one.

    My hair has been curly since the day I was born and since I was growing up I've been asked about my hair and if people could touch it. At first I thought it was ignorant but after a while I realized people are just curious since "black" hair isn't represented as "good" hair in the beauty world and the media.

    Other than 4b, most other ethnicities, especially those considered white, have curly and kinky curly hair. I would think a predominantly black person with 3a hair would be more of an exception than a rule.

    Maybe I am just jaded and have been the victim of people studying my facial features as if I am an animal too many times to not see this as a freak show. It is one thing to ask one person in private about something racially unique, but another thing entirely to be put on display.

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    Really all these girls did was to educate people on "black" hair and they did it in a very simple, blunt, way.

    Wether you like it or not they broke down stereotypes against "black" hair against African-American women and they accomplished that. In my opinion this was an event meant positive for African-American women turned negative by African-American women.

    I understand their good intentions, but I still think it is weird and sad. I don't have to agree with something to understand it.

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  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,757Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Curl Virtuoso
    Not sure why it's assumed that just because someone wants to touch another person's hair, that they are somehow lacking in education or couth or manners or worldliness.
    I love the way all kinds of hair feel, so I would be one of the people touching their hair at this event. It could have been any kind of hair and I would have still wanted to touch it. I always touch my sister's hair when she gets it blown out because it's so silky. I touch my boyfriend's son's hair when he gets it cut in a flat top or spikes it up because it feels all prickly. I like the feel of a fro or a beachy wave.
    I would never touch someone's hair without permission. And I don't care if people touch my hair as long as they ask first and don't mess it up.
    I don't see it as ignorant for people to be interested in or ask questions about something they don't know much about, whether it's hair, food, computers, spelling, whatever.
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  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,134Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    There isn't anything wrong with wanting to touch someone's hair and asking if you can. I just find it a little disturbing that this is more like a public exhibit, as if something is wrong with these ladies' hair. If it were normal, there wouldn't be a need for a public on the street exhibit. It seems even weirder in NYC, since black women with kinky hair are very visible.

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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users

    Other than 4b, most other ethnicities, especially those considered white, have curly and kinky curly hair. I would think a predominantly black person with 3a hair would be more of an exception than a rule.

    Maybe I am just jaded and have been the victim of people studying my facial features as if I am an animal too many times to not see this as a freak show. It is one thing to ask one person in private about something racially unique, but another thing entirely to be put on display.

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    Really all these girls did was to educate people on "black" hair and they did it in a very simple, blunt, way.

    Wether you like it or not they broke down stereotypes against "black" hair against African-American women and they accomplished that. In my opinion this was an event meant positive for African-American women turned negative by African-American women.


    I understand their good intentions, but I still think it is weird and sad. I don't have to agree with something to understand it.

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    As I said earlier it is their hair to do with as they please but I don't understand the purpose of this " education" and what is the intended result. Racial cumbaya over hair? why have an event focused solely on eliminating stereotypes in another race when there is so much of the same thing among blacks? And why care what others think or don't think about my hair?. I personally don't give a darn about other people's misperceptions of how my hair feels. This exhibit has the feel of trying to justify ourselves and make white society okay and accepting of us. That honestly is what rubs me wrong. I went natural because I accept me. If others don't that's their problem.
    . If the point is they think for a minute letting people cop a feel this one time will get them to leave them alone forgetaboutit. I have friends of all races who I keep my hair in a ponytail around because as soon as they see me they go straight for the hair. The worst is this older Mexican man is always saying "dame un riso" . If I had a burning desire to touch a person's hair of another race I would just ask a friend of that race if I could touch theirs. It is kind of sad if an exhibit like this would be someone's only opportunity to touch a black person's natural hair.

    I would be scared to go to this and put my hands in a strangers hair anyway because of lice. I have never actually known a black person who has had lice but I hear it is possible. :glasses7:
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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    Jeep, I really believe that you and a lot of people at this site are coming strictly from a curl-centric, innocent curiosity. And yeah, the women participating in the exhibit had their hearts in the right place - wanted to educate others.

    At the same time, there's just no way around the fact that if race relations were less tenuous, the hair of black women wouldn't be formally on display like something completely foreign to the American experience. I'm honestly not sure how it is that others aren't empathic and understanding about the reaction this causes for many black women :banghead:
  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,757Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Curl Virtuoso
    But maybe that's the point. Most black women here at NC and those around me in real life DON'T let anyone touch their hair ever. If they did, there would be no need for the exhibit. If women with long silky straight hair NEVER let anyone touch it, it would be the same thing. People would want the opportunity to see what it feels like.
    I guess being white means I don't see this as a race exhibit but as a hair exhibit.
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  • BeautyisMireeBeautyisMiree Posts: 202Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    adthomas wrote: »

    Really all these girls did was to educate people on "black" hair and they did it in a very simple, blunt, way.

    Wether you like it or not they broke down stereotypes against "black" hair against African-American women and they accomplished that. In my opinion this was an event meant positive for African-American women turned negative by African-American women.


    I understand their good intentions, but I still think it is weird and sad. I don't have to agree with something to understand it.

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    As I said earlier it is their hair to do with as they please but I don't understand the purpose of this " education" and what is the intended result. Racial cumbaya over hair? why have an event focused solely on eliminating stereotypes in another race when there is so much of the same thing among blacks? And why care what others think or don't think about my hair?. I personally don't give a darn about other people's misperceptions of how my hair feels. This exhibit has the feel of trying to justify ourselves and make white society okay and accepting of us. That honestly is what rubs me wrong. I went natural because I accept me. If others don't that's their problem.
    . If the point is they think for a minute letting people cop a feel this one time will get them to leave them alone forgetaboutit. I have friends of all races who I keep my hair in a ponytail around because as soon as they see me they go straight for the hair. The worst is this older Mexican man is always saying "dame un riso" . If I had a burning desire to touch a person's hair of another race I would just ask a friend of that race if I could touch theirs. It is kind of sad if an exhibit like this would be someone's only opportunity to touch a black person's natural hair.

    I would be scared to go to this and put my hands in a strangers hair anyway because of lice. I have never actually known a black person who has had lice but I hear it is possible. :glasses7:

    So if somebody says something like "Why does black hair look rough?." Or "I heard black hair can't grow." You're going to let then say that and not stop to educate them on the matter; so they can continue to sound ignorant without knowing.

    "Black" hair has never been see in a good light that's why we have relaxers. What these girls did was give people a little insight so they can stop titling "black "hair as the hair nobody wants and needs.
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    But maybe that's the point. Most black women here at NC and those around me in real life DON'T let anyone touch their hair ever.If they did [there wouldn't be a need for an exhibit]

    While you're correct that some black women are sensitive about having their hair touched, there are some who aren't. Ultimately, if blacks and non-blacks intermingled and dated more, there'd be a general understanding of how black hair feels .... Nor do I buy that there's a "need" for such an exhibit. It's probably someone's idea of a band-aid approach, when the fundamental need (as it regards education about hair) is actually closer race relations.
    If women with long silky straight hair NEVER let anyone touch it, it would be the same thing. People would want the opportunity to see what it feels like.

    It's inaccurate to assume black women are all averse to ever having their hair touched. Also, it's important to concede the fact that there are also some strong negative non-black reactions to black hair - many who won't touch black hair. Therefore blame isn't to be squarely cast on one side or the other.
    I guess being white means I don't see this as a race exhibit but as a hair exhibit.

    Nope. You absolutely do not represent all white people. Yours is the singular opinion about the exhibit, as one white person. And let's not pretend certain whites (or those of other ethnic groups) don't "see race". Personally, I think we all do, but hopefully we also notice the value and beauty in our differences.
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    adthomas wrote: »


    I understand their good intentions, but I still think it is weird and sad. I don't have to agree with something to understand it.

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    As I said earlier it is their hair to do with as they please but I don't understand the purpose of this " education" and what is the intended result. Racial cumbaya over hair? why have an event focused solely on eliminating stereotypes in another race when there is so much of the same thing among blacks? And why care what others think or don't think about my hair?. I personally don't give a darn about other people's misperceptions of how my hair feels. This exhibit has the feel of trying to justify ourselves and make white society okay and accepting of us. That honestly is what rubs me wrong. I went natural because I accept me. If others don't that's their problem.
    . If the point is they think for a minute letting people cop a feel this one time will get them to leave them alone forgetaboutit. I have friends of all races who I keep my hair in a ponytail around because as soon as they see me they go straight for the hair. The worst is this older Mexican man is always saying "dame un riso" . If I had a burning desire to touch a person's hair of another race I would just ask a friend of that race if I could touch theirs. It is kind of sad if an exhibit like this would be someone's only opportunity to touch a black person's natural hair.

    I would be scared to go to this and put my hands in a strangers hair anyway because of lice. I have never actually known a black person who has had lice but I hear it is possible. :glasses7:

    So if somebody says something like "Why does black hair look rough?." Or "I heard black hair can't grow." You're going to let then say that and not stop to educate them on the matter; so they can continue to sound ignorant without knowing.

    "Black" hair has never been see in a good light that's why we have relaxers. What these girls did was give people a little insight so they can stop titling "black "hair as the hair nobody wants and needs.

    My honest reaction is so what. Like you said we and other races have been bending over backwards for generations to make ourselves "presentable" and "acceptable" to white people. Why can't we get past this need for validation? If someone likes my hair great. If they don't then As Rhettt Butler put it, frankly my dear I don't give a damn. I feel no obligation or inclination to be on display while random people fondle my hair because of my blackness. It has a subhuman feel to it. Actually it touches a nerve in reminding me of stories I have read about slaves being put up on auction block and white people coming to look them over touching and inspecting them. For a long time we were only considered 3/5 of a person and counted as possessions alongside the cattle so Why we would volunteer to let ourselves be once again objectified is beyond me.

    Now I have a diverse group of friends. Believe it or not several of my white and Asian friends ask me for advice for their hair because they know I research a lot. Just today I was explaining to a lady at work who is white about cowashing and possible natural remedies for her itchy scalp.. I have always said I don't like people touching my hair without asking or doing it repeatedly. but I have never told anyone who asked no except for a few creepy guys at Walmart.
    Yes, it's real. No, you can't touch it. :wav:
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,983Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I agree with AdThomas on this. If it was an exhibit of many different people of different races with all different kinds of hair I would have no problem with it. But singling out "black" hair for people to touch strikes me as peculiar and creepy. What genius thought this up?
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  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,275Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    adthomas wrote: »
    adthomas wrote: »

    As I said earlier it is their hair to do with as they please but I don't understand the purpose of this " education" and what is the intended result. Racial cumbaya over hair? why have an event focused solely on eliminating stereotypes in another race when there is so much of the same thing among blacks? And why care what others think or don't think about my hair?. I personally don't give a darn about other people's misperceptions of how my hair feels. This exhibit has the feel of trying to justify ourselves and make white society okay and accepting of us. That honestly is what rubs me wrong. I went natural because I accept me. If others don't that's their problem.
    . If the point is they think for a minute letting people cop a feel this one time will get them to leave them alone forgetaboutit. I have friends of all races who I keep my hair in a ponytail around because as soon as they see me they go straight for the hair. The worst is this older Mexican man is always saying "dame un riso" . If I had a burning desire to touch a person's hair of another race I would just ask a friend of that race if I could touch theirs. It is kind of sad if an exhibit like this would be someone's only opportunity to touch a black person's natural hair.

    I would be scared to go to this and put my hands in a strangers hair anyway because of lice. I have never actually known a black person who has had lice but I hear it is possible. :glasses7:

    So if somebody says something like "Why does black hair look rough?." Or "I heard black hair can't grow." You're going to let then say that and not stop to educate them on the matter; so they can continue to sound ignorant without knowing.

    "Black" hair has never been see in a good light that's why we have relaxers. What these girls did was give people a little insight so they can stop titling "black "hair as the hair nobody wants and needs.

    My honest reaction is so what. Like you said we and other races have been bending over backwards for generations to make ourselves "presentable" and "acceptable" to white people. Why can't we get past this need for validation? If someone likes my hair great. If they don't then As Rhettt Butler put it, frankly my dear I don't give a damn. I feel no obligation or inclination to be on display while random people fondle my hair because of my blackness. It has a subhuman feel to it. Actually it touches a nerve in reminding me of stories I have read about slaves being put up on auction block and white people coming to look them over touching and inspecting them. For a long time we were only considered 3/5 of a person and counted as possessions alongside the cattle so Why we would volunteer to let ourselves be once again objectified is beyond me.

    Now I have a diverse group of friends. Believe it or not several of my white and Asian friends ask me for advice for their hair because they know I research a lot. Just today I was explaining to a lady at work who is white about cowashing and possible natural remedies for her itchy scalp.. I have always said I don't like people touching my hair without asking or doing it repeatedly. but I have never told anyone who asked no except for a few creepy guys at Walmart.

    Hair is extraordinarily personal. I can't understand ever asking touch someone's hair. It's not that different from someone asking to touch their boob!
  • belwillcoilybelwillcoily Posts: 303Registered Users
    I've been in a couple of situations where it was obvious to me that the person wanted to touch my hair and did but tried to be slick about it.

    Once was one of my karate instructors who is white. He and I are around the same age. I have been taking karate under his instruction for nearly three years so it's not like I'm a stranger.

    I had caught him on more than one occasion staring at my hair so I knew he was curious, but he never asked to touch it.

    During one class period, he was showing me the correct way to do a technique and he placed his hands in such a way that he touched my hair several times. It's hard to explain but really his hand didn't have to touch my hair at all to show me what he was showing me.

    It surprised me and caught me off guard but I didn't react. I cut him some slack and pretended not to notice what he was doing since despite everything, at the end of the day he must have felt uncomfortable directly asking to touch my hair for a myriad of reasons...
    1) He didn't want to seem condescending (i.e. giving a "petting an animal in the zoo" type vibe).
    2) He's married and very much in love with his wife so why does he want to touch some other woman's hair?
    3) I'm married and very much in love with my husband who wouldn't want some other man touching his wife's hair.
    4) The race relations in this country (as Korkscrew Curly has repeated said) make it a very un-PC and risky endeavor to ask a black person if it's okay to touch their hair, no matter the closeness of the relationship.
    5) I might have said, "no" if he asked making the interactions between us thereafter probably awkward and uncomfortable.

    Another time was a coworker who is actually Hispanic (Mexican descent) and has dated at least one black man (a man from Trinidad) that I know of. She is a little older than me. She was one who I also caught staring at my hair on more than one occasion but she never asked to touch it.

    It's important to note that unlike the relationship with my karate instructor (whom I get along with) this coworker's relationship and mine is somewhat antagonistic. For the sake of doing a good job I try to get along with her but our personalities clash most days due to her "control freak" tendencies. So her reasons for not just coming out directly and asking to touch were more obvious and overt.

    Anyway, one day, she was acting out a scenario to some parents we were presenting to and she pretended to tell a secret in my ear and used that moment to touch all through my hair.

    I did not cut her any slack. I pulled away immediately and looked at her like she was nuts. She turned red (clearly embarrassed) but in her typical fashion figured out a way to make it look like that was part of what we were demonstrating.

    Later when we were all debriefing about our presentation, I found a way to loudly proclaim that I don't like anyone who is not in my circle of trust and love touching my hair without permission. She got the message and has steered clear of my hair ever since.

    There is definitely curiosity out there about "black hair" per se. And people find a way to satisfy that curiosity one way or another. LOL!
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