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Suggestion for expanding the hair typing system

Hi curlies!

I'm sure many of you have had difficulties with trying to fit your properties and routine/products in that tiny little space in your signature :P

The original hair typing system by Fia, which is used all over the internet, consists of pattern, texture, and thickness. F = fine, M = medium, C = coarse, i = thin, ii = medium and iii is thick. So I would be 3a M iii.

It leaves out porosity, and elasticity, though! So I thought, perhaps WE could think of codes/shortcuts for those? Could be convenient and consistent, and it would be easier to add into our signature :P .

My suggestion: 1P = low porosity, 2P = medium porosity, 3P = high porosity. - = low elasticity, -- = normal elasticity, --- = high elasticity. So I would be: 3a M 2P --- iii.

Just a suggestion. Was wondering if you people would like the idea of adding porosity and elasticity to the hair typing system. Oh and if you have other suggestions for typing the porosity and elasticity, then please post your idea :)

Edit: We're going with Lauraimes' suggestion!
Lauraimes wrote: »

F = Fine
M = Medium
C = Coarse

L = Low
M= Normal
H = High

P = Porosity
E = Elasticity
D = Density

So I would be:
F - LP - ME - HD

Aqua_Lily would be:
M - MP - HE - HD

Dusalocks would be:
C - HP - ME - HD
4-2.png
Current length: tailbone
Goal length: mid-thigh (wet)
3A/2C M iii med por, high elast

HGs:
Clarify: Nivea
Lo-poo: Nature's Gate
CW: Elvive Volume Collagen
RO: EO Keratin, Desert Essence Raspberry

LI: Elvive volume collagen, KCKT
Seal: Grapeseed oil
Gel: Studioline

PT: EO Keratin co
DT: RO+oils
Hairgrowth stim.: JBCO+EVCO


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Comments

  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    We need a better shorthand, I agree. (BTW, ohhhh so that's what those little iiis mean. Always wondered but too lazy to google.) So I'd be C 3P - iii. :salute: I've got to bump this. Everyone take a look at aqua_lily's suggestion because it's brilliant.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Aqua_LilyAqua_Lily Posts: 557Registered Users
    Thanks Dusa! :) glad you like the idea!
    4-2.png
    Current length: tailbone
    Goal length: mid-thigh (wet)
    3A/2C M iii med por, high elast

    HGs:
    Clarify: Nivea
    Lo-poo: Nature's Gate
    CW: Elvive Volume Collagen
    RO: EO Keratin, Desert Essence Raspberry

    LI: Elvive volume collagen, KCKT
    Seal: Grapeseed oil
    Gel: Studioline

    PT: EO Keratin co
    DT: RO+oils
    Hairgrowth stim.: JBCO+EVCO


    www.iherb.com 5-10$ discount code:
    VHT541 Many natural hair products! :D
  • PomegranateCurlPomegranateCurl Posts: 212Registered Users
    I'll play!

    (check out the siggie! ;))
  • PomegranateCurlPomegranateCurl Posts: 212Registered Users
    I think the - -- --- are a little confusing though, as in hard to read in a glance.
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I think the - -- --- are a little confusing though, as in hard to read in a glance.

    Maybe replace the - with an *? That's more visible. or a >. >>> or *** is very visible and very elastic.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • BlackAngelPlayahBlackAngelPlayah Posts: 1,419Registered Users
    3c/4a C iii.
    Too many letters and numbers. LoL! I'm just tightly curly. :p
    :afro:FroZen:afro:
  • CurlsnswirlsCurlsnswirls Posts: 865Registered Users
    How about for elasticity

    1E-low elasticity
    2E-normal elasticity
    3E-high elasticity

    So mine would be 3a-M-2P-ii-2E
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I'm 3a-C-HP-iii-1E. I still contest that 1E though. My hair never breaks so I might bump myself up 2E. :( I think the hair analysis gave me that rating because my curls are looser?
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Aqua_LilyAqua_Lily Posts: 557Registered Users
    I'm glad more people are liking this idea! :)

    I also like Curlsnswirls's suggestion for elasticity. I agree it's easier to read than - -- ---. I've added it into my signature!


    Hopefully more people will want to pick up this whole idea :)
    4-2.png
    Current length: tailbone
    Goal length: mid-thigh (wet)
    3A/2C M iii med por, high elast

    HGs:
    Clarify: Nivea
    Lo-poo: Nature's Gate
    CW: Elvive Volume Collagen
    RO: EO Keratin, Desert Essence Raspberry

    LI: Elvive volume collagen, KCKT
    Seal: Grapeseed oil
    Gel: Studioline

    PT: EO Keratin co
    DT: RO+oils
    Hairgrowth stim.: JBCO+EVCO


    www.iherb.com 5-10$ discount code:
    VHT541 Many natural hair products! :D
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Just changed my signature. Does it look all right?
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Aqua_LilyAqua_Lily Posts: 557Registered Users
    Looks great in my opinion ^^
    4-2.png
    Current length: tailbone
    Goal length: mid-thigh (wet)
    3A/2C M iii med por, high elast

    HGs:
    Clarify: Nivea
    Lo-poo: Nature's Gate
    CW: Elvive Volume Collagen
    RO: EO Keratin, Desert Essence Raspberry

    LI: Elvive volume collagen, KCKT
    Seal: Grapeseed oil
    Gel: Studioline

    PT: EO Keratin co
    DT: RO+oils
    Hairgrowth stim.: JBCO+EVCO


    www.iherb.com 5-10$ discount code:
    VHT541 Many natural hair products! :D
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    This seems unnecessarily complicated. Newbies already get confused by all the abbreviations.

    Your signature is a big as you want it to be...you have a picture in yours :-?.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Yeah but a picture says 1000 words. :laughing6:
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    Yeah but a picture says 1000 words. :laughing6:

    OMG Dusa :ncool: :tongue:
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    I think it's great to have some sort of a shorthand but I agree with Jessiebanana, it's pretty complicated. I always have to think twice about what every abbreviation stands for and newbies might be even more overwhelmed.

    I'll think about it :)
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    Umm, I think all those numbers make it confusing? What about:

    2A F ii LP ME (2a, fine, medium, low-po, med. elast) for me

    And Dusa would be: 3A C iii HP LE

    I'm still not sure about the elasticity one, but I already kind of think LP/HP in my head for the porosity. I think if its standardized for porosity and elasticity it will be easier to remember. So L=low, M=medium & H=high. Or should it be N=normal instead of medium?..
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I know it may seem overly complicated at first glance, but here is why I think it would be good idea. If naturallycurly were to adopt this shorthand (and maybe we can convince them to), there would be a uniform way to think about hair typing, and hopefully it would take the emphasis off of the curl pattern and put it on properties which matter more. Especially when it comes to picking out products. So picture this: On the hair density page, where it says Low it also has a little box next to it that says "i", Medium "ii" and High "iii".

    Curly Hair Tips, Styles & Products - NaturallyCurly

    And then when you go to the width page it would be Coarse , a box next to it saying (C), Medium (M) and Fine (F).

    Curly Hair Tips, Styles & Products - NaturallyCurly

    Then I think it would also be amazing if Naturally Curly had you type yourself this way and put it on the main profile page. 3A C 3P 2E ii and all that jazz. And if people were to click on the little C going "what does that mean?", it would take you to the width page. What also would be awesome is if you go to the product review page and when people review you see their properties right there next to their screen names.

    And then again, if you don't know what it means, you could click on the 3P and go to the porosity page there too. And then it would be super duper amazing if naturally curly could have a rundown that reads "this product is liked by people who have low porosity hair", rather than (or I guess in addition to) this product is popular with people who have 3B hair and whatnot.

    I think a system like that might've actually helped me out when I was just starting to wear my hair curly. As it is, the CurlWhisperer has a pinterest that's kind of like that where she has recommendations for coarse, medium to fine hair. . . but if Naturally Curly were to adopt some sort of uniform system and acknowledge that properties are more important than curl patterns, it would make things easier overall.

    And maybe we should use letters overall to make it more uniform. I don't know. But I'd like a shorthand.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Innovative, Dusalocks!

    What would be more easily comprehensible to me would be something like this:

    F = Fine
    N = Normal (or: M = Medium)
    C = Coarse

    L = Low
    N = Normal (or: M = Medium, whichever one we end up going for)
    H = High

    P = Porosity
    D = Density
    E = Elasticity

    So I would be:
    F - LP - HD - NE

    Aqua_Lily would be:
    N - NP - HD - HE

    Dusalocks would be:
    C - HP - HD - NE

    Just to name a few examples of how it would work. This sounds much more logical to me, and might be easier to understand since I simply used the initial letters of each word.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    Lauraimes wrote: »
    Innovative, Dusalocks!

    What would be more easily comprehensible to me would be something like this:

    F = Fine
    N = Normal (or: M = Medium)
    C = Coarse

    L = Low
    N = Normal (or: M = Medium, whichever one we end up going for)
    H = High

    P = Porosity
    D = Density
    E = Elasticity

    So I would be:
    F - LP - HD - NE

    Aqua_Lily would be:
    N - NP - HD - HE

    Dusalocks would be:
    C - HP - HD - NE

    Just to name a few examples of how it would work. This sounds much more logical to me, and might be easier to understand since I simply used the initial letters of each word.

    Ooh! +1 for this!!
    Those darn i's are still confusing.
    I can read this straight through without using too many brain cells :cyclopsani:

    But maybe we should use M for everything since it makes more sense for width.??
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I hope the moderators are paying attention. I realize they'd have to overhaul the site (which is not fun) but it'd be much more streamlined and educational overall.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    I agree, we're probably just going to have to pick one and start using it and hope for the best though.
    They seem pretty invested in the curl type thing, CurlMart bases most recommendations on curl type, the frizz forecast only asks for curl type and when you sign up they practically demand your curl type.

    Vive la Revolution!!!
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Lynaea, M makes more sense indeed, now that you mention it :-)

    I agree, it would be a great investment and addition to the site.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • Aqua_LilyAqua_Lily Posts: 557Registered Users
    I like Lauraimes' idea, and I completely agree with Dusa. It would be great if NC.com would pick up on this. I think this is a consistent idea and because of that it might even be easier to comprehend for newbies. I also believe that it would be convenient and educational to use for this website.

    So, with which system are we going?

    M MP HE HD
    or
    M 2P 3E iii
    or
    M MP HE iii
    ?

    Of course, other suggestions and ideas are still welcome.

    I'll edit the starting post when we've come to a consensus ^^
    4-2.png
    Current length: tailbone
    Goal length: mid-thigh (wet)
    3A/2C M iii med por, high elast

    HGs:
    Clarify: Nivea
    Lo-poo: Nature's Gate
    CW: Elvive Volume Collagen
    RO: EO Keratin, Desert Essence Raspberry

    LI: Elvive volume collagen, KCKT
    Seal: Grapeseed oil
    Gel: Studioline

    PT: EO Keratin co
    DT: RO+oils
    Hairgrowth stim.: JBCO+EVCO


    www.iherb.com 5-10$ discount code:
    VHT541 Many natural hair products! :D
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    I vote for the system I came up with, haha. Curious to see what's going to happen and if NC's going to pick up on it. Hope they will!
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    Well I sort of voted already but I'm still for Laura's 'first letter' idea.

    I already changed my siggy :)
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Lovely siggies, ladies. I'm fixing mine now. Only way to start a revolution is from the inside-out. Hopefully naturally curly will take note and realize properties are boss.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Aqua_LilyAqua_Lily Posts: 557Registered Users
    I like how you think Dusa. I've fixed my siggie as well :)
    4-2.png
    Current length: tailbone
    Goal length: mid-thigh (wet)
    3A/2C M iii med por, high elast

    HGs:
    Clarify: Nivea
    Lo-poo: Nature's Gate
    CW: Elvive Volume Collagen
    RO: EO Keratin, Desert Essence Raspberry

    LI: Elvive volume collagen, KCKT
    Seal: Grapeseed oil
    Gel: Studioline

    PT: EO Keratin co
    DT: RO+oils
    Hairgrowth stim.: JBCO+EVCO


    www.iherb.com 5-10$ discount code:
    VHT541 Many natural hair products! :D