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Over-moisturized visual aid!

Ok so I hope this is helpful for someone.. I wish I had taken better pics of how it really looked but these pics taken the days before I did the last PT and after do a pretty good job of showing the drastic difference. Trust me though it's more obvious in person, and though the after shots were taken 2 days after doing the PT it only got better through out the week and is still going strong a full week later and I have had some good 2nd day hair even. I had done some gelatin PT's and not had much luck so wasn't sure my hair needed protein, but then I found the Palmer's one (made a post about it on the protein board) and it was amazing for my hair. I had lost so much curl pattern and it was just fluffy, overly soft, and SUPER frizzy most days. The PT and trying and using just Suave Naturals Coconut conditioner (was using heavier biolage conditioning balm, yes to carrots, or aussie 3mm before) for both a RO and LI are the only changes I made. I am having great results with conditioner only styling even and don't feel so rushed to find a good styler. Anyway, until that PT I was so unsure whether or not I was over-moisturized or not because though it seemed to go along with what I was reading it also looked and felt sort of dry because of the crazy frizz.

So here are the pics. Again, sorry they aren't better pics. I have a hard time getting a true image of what it looks like in person with the limits on good lighting in my house.

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*ETA* I mentioned on one of my replies that after 8 days I decided to try and do a second PT... not really needing it per say, but just curious how it would go and needing to do it today because it is a weekend and I had more time. Anyway, it went GREAT! Seriously love how my hair feels when I am rinsing the PT out, so much different than the two times I tried the gelatin PT. I think because this one not only has the cones but also is supposed to be deep conditioning... so it's like taking care of both your PT and DT in one step. I left it on for a full hour this time (pkg says 20 minutes, first time I did 40). Then I used a little Biolage Conditioning Balm to make sure I had a good conditioner in there, and followed up with the suave naturals coconut as a LI. No stylers, and it looks even better today in some ways than the last week where I felt I was having such a good hair week. It still has frizz because I am not using any stylers, but I can live with it. The curl was stronger again, and I can't wait to see if it gets even more so as the week progresses as it did last time. Here are pics from today. The side angle wasn't a very good one and it was still partially wet so excuse that part of it, but it gives an idea. My hair gets better throughout the day, less frizzy as it dries fully and soaks in the conditioner since it's low porosity. I even tried to throw in a back image, but was having trouble getting good focus. Not my best back hair, but still pretty good. Sorry for the variations in color... too lazy to fix that lol.

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My Hair:
2c
Fine, low porosity, med/high density
BSL - going for mid back to waist

HG: currently
just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

Modified CG since February 2013

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  • JulesonlineJulesonline Posts: 444Registered Users
    Great idea!! I think mine was like that too. It's been a bit better since stopped using the CB and adding a bit of protein.
    JulesOnline
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
    Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


    Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
    Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
    Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
    RO/LI:
    YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
    Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    I don't even know if my balance is good at the moment, just like you said, I am unsure of whether or not I am overmoisturized.
    Too bad the Palmer's thing has cones.
    What are the ingredients of it? And how much do you do it? Would it be so bad to have cones once in a while? And would you really need to use sulfates after it to remove the cones or would a sulfate free shampoo like Rainforest Radiance shampoo do the trick as well?

    (especially on your sides there are drastic changes!:o I would love to have a change like that, although I feel like I might be slightly curlier than you are. Your hair looks sooooo healthy now! I'm quite jealous)
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

    iherb.com: get a 5$ discount on orders under 40$ or a 10$ discount on orders over 40$ when you order for your first order by using the following discount code: CFH441
  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    I washed my hair today
    (didn't use sulfate free shampoo, but did use yes to cucumbers conditioner, rainforest moisture hair butter, inecto conditioner, yes to cucumbers conditioner, finished with mousse and a tiny bit of BRHG)
    and I wonder if my hair is just weighed down or overconditioned.

    It seems to be longer than it has been (less spring factor), is a bit ill defined and I have spirals going on that look like someone has pulled them down and it didn't bounce back. The ends are really really soft (normally they tickle me, now if I try to "sting" myself with my ends, I don't feel the stinging ends or so... really soft) and I have much less volume than I used to have like 2 weeks ago. Oh and my hair looks dry, but isn't dry.
    2 weeks ago I got my hair dyed again, as usual every 6-8 weeks and I thought my hair to be dry afterwards so in these two weeks I did 2 honey-olive oil treatments that I left on my hair for an hour.


    Ugh... I just want to have nice hair again as I had like "an entire 2 weeks" at the end of March...
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

    iherb.com: get a 5$ discount on orders under 40$ or a 10$ discount on orders over 40$ when you order for your first order by using the following discount code: CFH441
  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    Hi Neleke,
    That does seem like a lot of conditioner, not sure if any of them have protein in them. I guess you still haven't gotten your hair results yet either. Of course I don't know what products are available to you but it does sound like more protein and less moisture might help. From another of your posts I got the impression you might be low porosity, if so, it should like protein. I usually look for products labeled as repairing or strengthening and then check the ingredients. As you can see from my siggy I use almost all products with protein. HTH
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    I know what the softness feels like!
    Untill 3 months ago I still flat ironed my hair and used oil loaded with silicones after flat ironing.
    My hair would feel sooooo soft (so soft that people touching my hair told me that they had never felt hair as soft as mine before).
    (ofcourse if it was a windy day, the flat ironing would be ruined instantly and I would have explosioneffectbighair...as I was a curly in denial)

    Now, my hair feels even softer then after flat ironing and oiling with cones.
    and it looks limp and frizzydry and darker than it normally does.

    awelcome: I keep on looking at your pics. I really really really looove the afterproteinsidepicture!
    You have gorgeous hair. Period.
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

    iherb.com: get a 5$ discount on orders under 40$ or a 10$ discount on orders over 40$ when you order for your first order by using the following discount code: CFH441
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Neleke wrote: »
    I washed my hair today
    (didn't use sulfate free shampoo, but did use yes to cucumbers conditioner, rainforest moisture hair butter, inecto conditioner, yes to cucumbers conditioner, finished with mousse and a tiny bit of BRHG)
    and I wonder if my hair is just weighed down or overconditioned.

    It seems to be longer than it has been (less spring factor), is a bit ill defined and I have spirals going on that look like someone has pulled them down and it didn't bounce back. The ends are really really soft (normally they tickle me, now if I try to "sting" myself with my ends, I don't feel the stinging ends or so... really soft) and I have much less volume than I used to have like 2 weeks ago. Oh and my hair looks dry, but isn't dry.
    2 weeks ago I got my hair dyed again, as usual every 6-8 weeks and I thought my hair to be dry afterwards so in these two weeks I did 2 honey-olive oil treatments that I left on my hair for an hour.


    Ugh... I just want to have nice hair again as I had like "an entire 2 weeks" at the end of March...

    Neleke, my hair would be both overconditioned and weighed down if I'd use that much conditioner! Also, depending on your properties (I know you're still waiting for the results of your analysis), protein indeed might be essential and I don't think these products contain a lot of protein.

    I'm not sure if I'm correct here, but what I've been gathering from your posts lately is that you're experimenting a lot. Experimenting is good, but my hair always needs some time to get used to new products and techniques. Also, if you change more than one thing at a time, you'll never be able to tell what really works (or what causes problems).

    Obviously this doesn't really answer your question, but hope it helps anyway.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    My hair looked HORRID yesterday. Stringy, flat and heavy, curls falling out in places.

    I was afraid while I was doing my hair that I had used too much gel. But my hair was acting all day like I hadn't used enough!!

    I had only co-washed, and I'm pretty sure I am OC'd. :/ I always forget how much protein I need during these warmer months!! I may have to go to 2 PT's a week. Or even using a PT as my RO. Silly porous hair.

    That 2nd pic group (the profiles) is exactly me yesterday. My hair is a 2c/3a/3b combo - usually more of a 3a. Yesterday... Well lets just say it was not. It was terrible, and ugly. :(
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    I used the heap of conditioner because my hair felt dry (I thought) but now I'm thinking it didn't even feel dry but that I just used the wrong gel before (been having troubles with the gel I'm using for a month now).

    Lauraimes, I'm especially thinking about experimenting with a lot :p but I only try one new thing at a time, and most of the times even only one time a week ... otherwise it would take me years (/decades) to experiment I guess :(

    My huge problem is that I can't seem to figure out what my hair wants (more moisture or more protein) and especially... that I don't know when a conditioner is heavy, and when it is light. How do you figure that one out?
    For example: Yes to cucumbers, is that a heavy one or a light one? does heavy and light have to do with the ingredients, or with the thickness of a conditioner? (whether it is very running and watery or whether it is rather thick)
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

    iherb.com: get a 5$ discount on orders under 40$ or a 10$ discount on orders over 40$ when you order for your first order by using the following discount code: CFH441
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Your hair won't go from being dry to feeling amazing overnight. Using tons of conditioner can't speed the process in fact for me heavy conditioners don't really work. A light to medium conditioner over time is the best.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Neleke, I understand why you want to experiment a lot, but not giving your hair enough time to get used to a particular routine might slow down the process of discover what works for you and what it. It might even take longer before you're done experimenting, I think.

    I know you're using BRHG. My hair loved it: great hold, for the entire day and even second day hair. However, I got really dry curls because - and I know this, but I really wanted to try it because it's readily available in stores - my hair doesn't like chemicals, but prefers natural products.

    I think you should go back to the basics until you get your analysis results back. Try and see if you can establish your properties by self-assessing your hair. Stick to one routine for at least one, but preferably two weeks and see what happens. Does that match with the properties you assessed or did you get something wrong? Re-assess. Adjust your routine based on your observations. Perhaps even keep a hair journal to see what happens.

    Otherwise, you might continue experimenting and feel even more frustrated. Think about it this way: if we're put in a new situation, we need to adjust as well. The same goes for your hair. It needs some time.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    I avoid products with lots of butters & oils, those seem to weigh my hair down the most. If a product has fatty alcohols plus humectants plus oils/butters it is usually heavier/more moisturizing. I look for conditioners without butters, few oils and humectants low on the list (or absent, in the case of glycerin). In general I've found conditioners with protein seem 'lighter', probably because the protein balances out the moisture content.
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    Laura and I were posting at the same time. I want to second her vote for a journal, I started one in the low porosity board and it has been amazingly helpful to be able to go back and see exactly what I did and how different things worked. At first I thought I would just remember everything (haha) but writing everything out really helped me focus in on what was and was not working and figure out how to proceed from there.
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • awelcomeawelcome Posts: 167Registered Users
    Thank you Neleke. Yes, the PT has cones which I was worried about at first, but I do use a poo with coco-betaine every wash and don't seem to have an issue with build-up. I am doing another PT with it again right now, and can't wait to see how it turns out. I wouldn't say I absolutely needed it yet, but weekends are kind of my time to fiddle with my hair more, and I wanted to see if I could get even better results doing another so soon or if it was my limit or not.

    Here is the link to my post about the PT.
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/protein-craving/158637-palmers-coconut-oil-formula-pt.html

    I wish I could get better angled pictures in my small window of good light, so I could show you guys the even more drastic change to the back which was basically straight/2a on a good day when OC'd and is now full of stronger 2b (it's always less than my front/sides) and rope curls. Also the front pic didn't really show it well that day but I have a good amount of curl there too after this combo where you can see it was getting stringy and really limp before. The best part is my hair still feels really soft, almost like when it was OC'd but just in a good way now lol.

    I would love to see pics from others in this thread of OC'd hair and maybe an after too. I think it really does help to SEE things rather than read descriptions all the time which can vary by person.
    My Hair:
    2c
    Fine, low porosity, med/high density
    BSL - going for mid back to waist

    HG: currently
    just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

    Modified CG since February 2013

  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    Laura: problem is that I don't have an idea of my properties at all, you could even highlight "at all" and that makes it quite hard. I could be doing the exact opposite of what my hair likes without noticing it (also because I don't see well which makes it harder to assess). I tried to battle frizz with moisture (that's probably why I'm probably overconditioned now) and am feeling so "aaargh" because I don't understand chemistry...

    After this whole time I think the only things I learned are:
    - avoid sulfates and silicones
    - avoid MO (although I'm not too sure about that either, I only avoid it because most of you do)
    - plopping is ok
    - diffusing is ok
    - stop brushing
    - avoid drying alcohols...

    And that's it.

    I think my hair likes yes to cucumbers conditioner (have used that since the beginning) but I don't think it is a HG yet.
    I think my hair likes Ultra Doux conditioner with shea butter and avocado oil, but I'm not sure, used it for a couple of weeks and stopped using it because it was a thick conditioner and I was afraid that thick meant heavy and that it would weigh my hair down.

    I know my hair doesn't like a certain l'oreal sulfate free shampoo (have used that for a couple of weeks)
    I know my hair doesn't like the natural conditioner with aloe vera purchased at Hema (but I expected it the minute I put the conditioner in my hand).
    I personally (don't know about my hair) don't like Fructis gel anymore since I find it too sticky and crunching with stickiness for me means disrupting curls.

    My hair like the olive oil and honey DT a LOT when I did it more than a week ago but didn't like it 2 days ago it seems (had a week in between).

    Problem is that I don't know why my hair likes or doesn't like certain products.
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

    iherb.com: get a 5$ discount on orders under 40$ or a 10$ discount on orders over 40$ when you order for your first order by using the following discount code: CFH441
  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    awelcome, I really agree that pictures help!

    Laura: but you should be proud of me, I didn't buy anything new for the last 3 weeks.
    And from the beginning almost three months ago I tried:
    - 2 different low poo's (L'oreal and Rainforest Radiance shampoo)
    - 5 different conditioners: Yes to carrots which I now only use to SOTC (a tiny amount), Yes to cucumbers which I still use), Inecto Coconut, Inecto Olive oil, Ultra Doux
    - a bunch of styling product, but I'm especially having a hard time finding a good non-drying product that isn't sticky
    - 1 hair butter
    - gelatin PT
    - honey olive oil DT
    - banana smoothie

    Is that that much in almost 3 months? for me it doesn't seem so since I at least need 1 lowpoo, 2-3 conditioners (cowash for the times I don't lowpoo, RO, LI), 1-2 stylers

    If there are people with inventor ambitions: you should invent a small machine where you can put a couple of strands in and that tells you if your hair needs more moisture or more protein.
    I would use the machine every week or so since I suck at assessing my own hair.
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

    iherb.com: get a 5$ discount on orders under 40$ or a 10$ discount on orders over 40$ when you order for your first order by using the following discount code: CFH441
  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Posts: 1,255Registered Users
    Neleke wrote: »
    I don't even know if my balance is good at the moment, just like you said, I am unsure of whether or not I am overmoisturized.
    Too bad the Palmer's thing has cones.
    What are the ingredients of it? And how much do you do it? Would it be so bad to have cones once in a while? And would you really need to use sulfates after it to remove the cones or would a sulfate free shampoo like Rainforest Radiance shampoo do the trick as well?

    (especially on your sides there are drastic changes!:o I would love to have a change like that, although I feel like I might be slightly curlier than you are. Your hair looks sooooo healthy now! I'm quite jealous)

    If your sulfate free shampoo contains Cocamidopropyl Betaine or Cocobetaine, it will remove all silicones. No need to sulfate shampoo to remove them. This page is a good reference: What's the Scoop on Silicones?
    CG since 11/2011
    2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

    Go To Products /Routine:
    Clarifying: Suave Essentials Strawberry
    Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
    CO: Suave Essentials Strawberry, V05 Kiwi Lime
    RO /LI: Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Suave Essentials Strawberry, Renpure Brazilian Keratin (old formula)
    Stylers: LALSG, AIF, HETT, Suave Professionals Firm Control
    PT: IAGirl's as needed
  • awelcomeawelcome Posts: 167Registered Users
    just a heads up that I edited the first post to include some from today with the second PT.
    My Hair:
    2c
    Fine, low porosity, med/high density
    BSL - going for mid back to waist

    HG: currently
    just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

    Modified CG since February 2013

  • AKgirlAKgirl Posts: 341Registered Users
    Wow,awelcome your hair is amazing! And you're not using any stylers??

    Sent from my KFJWI using Tapatalk HD
    2a-2bFii NP?

    Low poo: Deva Low-Poo, Jessicurl GLS, Moroccanoil Volumizing Shampoo, Aveda Be Curly
    Condish: Cure Care, Redken Body Full, Deva One C, and Jessicurl Aloeba
    LI: Aveda Be Curly Style Prep <3
    Products: Deva FFVF & Jessicurl Spiralicious (LOVE), TRESemme Curl Boosting Mousse
    Hairspray: Aussie Sprunch, TRESemme Curl
    locking Spray
    Experimenting with lots of products in my cabinet...


    My hair loves protein, plopping, and diffusing! Trying to find a way to style and air dry.
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    awelcome, your hair looks absolutely gorgeous! I love that it's all natural, and so shiny and healthy. I'm hoping to achieve that as well (I'm having frizz today for the first time in my life. What's going on?)

    Neleke, it's good that you haven't bought anything new, but there are so many possibilities with the products you have, in terms of combinations and how you're using them. Have you actually read this? Curly Hair Basics | Live Curly Live Free

    I think that should definitely help giving to give meaning to your observations.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    I have read the basics, in a figurative way they hang above my bed (as in: I have read and overread that article like 10 times) and I still don't understand it.

    I'm having the idea that there is a lot of terminology used that I just still don't understand...
    I should have lists with "it does that" and the ingredients.

    Like: humectants, emollients, moisturizing ingredients, ...
    ==> I don't have a clue what they really are and what they do.
    I think (not sure) that glycerin is a humectant, as is honey. But that's it.
    The only thing I can check on product bottles with ingredients and that I understand are sulfates, silicones, MO and alcohols. But like 3/4 ingredients I don't know.

    That thing (that I don't understand ingredients yet) and the fact that I don't know my properties yet (at all) sure makes it a hard time to know what my hair needs.

    That being said, I don't think I'm overmoisturised anymore. Yesterday I thought I was (which indeed wouldn't be that surprising with all the DTs I did and the 4 conditioners), but today it doesn't seem limp anymore and it seems rather normal.
    I didn't put any product in or whatsoever (I only put product in my hair like twice, maybe 3 times a week, the other days I just take the pineapple out and go) so I guess that just "time" repaired it.

    I guess that might have something to do with my porosity, but I don't know in what way.
    According to me this can both mean high and low porosity.
    Low porosity: the moisture just sat on my hair and now my hair has finally absorbed it
    Or high porosity: my hair would in that case drink product and would be losing moisture...

    Don't know, don't understand. Help me.
    *strangles LCLF for making me wait for my results (just kidding)*
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

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  • alslgirl2002alslgirl2002 Posts: 210Registered Users
    Your hair is beautiful! I hope I get there some day, but I need to grow out my crown since I have a ton of breakage up there from regular blowouts prior to CG. I tinkered with cond-only styling this weekend and was somewhat happy with the results - I hate having crunchy hair! - but KCKT still left my hair producty. I bought Suave naturals coconut for my daughter's hair (which it LOVES) so I might try that sometime as a LI. Thanks for posting!
    Type 2B - 3A
    Med-High Porosity (partial highlights), medium & corse mixed textures

    CG Day 1: May 16, 2013

    Poo: CJ Daily Fix Cleansing Condish (as needed)
    CO: Tresemme Naturals Vibrantly Smooth Condish
    RO&LI: CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil Daily Hair Condish
    Styling: CJ Pattern Pusha or FSG, TRESemme Flawless Curls - Bouncy Curls Defining Gel, Giovanni LANaturals HardHold Gel (canopy only)
    DT: CJ Curl Rehab, Coconut oil, SS Repairing PT

    Techniques: Scrunch-n-pump, tshirt wrap
  • awelcomeawelcome Posts: 167Registered Users
    Thanks everyone for the compliments! Yup, absolutely no stylers, just low poo, RO, and using the same conditioner as a LI. Prior to this last week I was getting desperate trying to do my research to find what product would be best for me (not sure what the issue was yet) and was looking into getting some Okra Gel from BB.... put in an inquiry to her about additives on the 18th and still haven't heard back.... but now I am in no rush anymore. I might still try it, since I do have to live with a bit of frizz, and who knows if I can get even better results, but most of the time now I am ok with my hair. It's unpredictable in it's curl/wave patterns, but at least I finally have a routine that seems to give consistently ok-good hair days. And I can do 2nd day hair now if I really want just by spraying a bit of water on the curls that got messed up in my sleep.... I toss and turn a lot.
    My Hair:
    2c
    Fine, low porosity, med/high density
    BSL - going for mid back to waist

    HG: currently
    just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

    Modified CG since February 2013

  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    awelcome wrote: »
    Thanks everyone for the compliments! Yup, absolutely no stylers, just low poo, RO, and using the same conditioner as a LI. Prior to this last week I was getting desperate trying to do my research to find what product would be best for me (not sure what the issue was yet) and was looking into getting some Okra Gel from BB.... put in an inquiry to her about additives on the 18th and still haven't heard back.... but now I am in no rush anymore. I might still try it, since I do have to live with a bit of frizz, and who knows if I can get even better results, but most of the time now I am ok with my hair. It's unpredictable in it's curl/wave patterns, but at least I finally have a routine that seems to give consistently ok-good hair days. And I can do 2nd day hair now if I really want just by spraying a bit of water on the curls that got messed up in my sleep.... I toss and turn a lot.

    Have you ever tried making your own flaxseed gel? That works like a charm for me!
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • awelcomeawelcome Posts: 167Registered Users
    I have thought about it, but I wanted to try an already made one first of either FSG or okra gel to see if it would work before I tried to make my own. Though it saves plenty in the long run, I am not sure it does up front which would be too bad if I decided I didn't like it for my hair.
    My Hair:
    2c
    Fine, low porosity, med/high density
    BSL - going for mid back to waist

    HG: currently
    just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

    Modified CG since February 2013

  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users
    awelcome wrote: »
    I have thought about it, but I wanted to try an already made one first of either FSG or okra gel to see if it would work before I tried to make my own. Though it saves plenty in the long run, I am not sure it does up front which would be too bad if I decided I didn't like it for my hair.

    Did you see this one? She has several variations. This one has protein, but no magnesium sulphate.

    Truly Natural Styling Gel 16oz by TruePolaris on Etsy
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • awelcomeawelcome Posts: 167Registered Users
    Thanks I will check that out later.

    On another note... I am having a pretty blah hair day today. The curl isn't as strong, and my plop was messed up so now my hair is sitting oddly. I am hoping it is just a one day thing and not my new routine failing me already. It was so good yesterday I can't imagine that to be the case, but I guess the next few days will tell. Of course since it was messed up I have been touching it way too much as it dries and it is worse now lol. Oh well... we all have bad hair days lol. It is extra hot today and will be all week so maybe that is part of it. It's been raining and cooler here for the last couple weeks again.
    My Hair:
    2c
    Fine, low porosity, med/high density
    BSL - going for mid back to waist

    HG: currently
    just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

    Modified CG since February 2013

  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users
    Because your hair does so well with no styling products, you might do well with curl creams or light hold gels, or what I call the "pudding" type products which, for me anyway, don't provide much hold. Some of the "firm" hold gels may be too much for you. Even straight up aloe vera gel may be all that you need- you can buy it in the sun care department at most drugstores. You obviously want the clear ones.
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • YoshimiYoshimi Posts: 237Registered Users
    Ok after reading this thread and your comments on my other thread awelcome I decided to do a take 2 today, I did a strong gelatin treatment and have just used a curl cream to style. Wait g to dry and we'll see how it goes.

    Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using CurlTalk App
    2C, Medium thickness, Low posity
    Recovering from a year of keratin and bleach with CG

    Routine

    Low Poo, Condition, Leave in, Curl cream, Supersoak, Gel, Diffuse on high heat, with minimal lift to encourage waves and reduce frizz, Dry on cool with nozzle down to smooth hair and finish drying,Shine Serum

    Weekly gelatin protien treatments.
  • awelcomeawelcome Posts: 167Registered Users
    Yoshimi wrote: »
    Ok after reading this thread and your comments on my other thread awelcome I decided to do a take 2 today, I did a strong gelatin treatment and have just used a curl cream to style. Wait g to dry and we'll see how it goes.

    Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using CurlTalk App


    Can't wait to hear how to goes. Did you happen to take before pics and you can do some after so we can see too?
    My Hair:
    2c
    Fine, low porosity, med/high density
    BSL - going for mid back to waist

    HG: currently
    just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

    Modified CG since February 2013

  • awelcomeawelcome Posts: 167Registered Users
    Maybe I should add my actual technique too in case that has something to do with my results.... When I put my RO in I finger detangle (which for me is always pretty easy because I have loose curls and they don't tangle too much unless dry) and part my bangs. Then when I rinse I try to not run my fingers through my hair too much, so to get the conditioner mostly out I plug my ears and shake my head side to side using quick but short movements while tilting it back. I sometimes lift sections of my hair carefully to rinse out the underside too. Even though I am putting more Co in afterwards I feel like rinsing out the large portion makes a difference.

    When I shut water off I part my hair in half and pull it to the sides. Taking a pea sized amount of the suave naturals coconut I smooth over one side, and then rake it in from the underside lifting my hair away from my head at the roots as I tilt my head so it's not plastered. This can break up my curls a bit so then I do a very wide finger rake down them to create the thicker clumps again. Repeat on other side and then I tilt my head back and make sure to lift my canopy outward the same way.

    Then I flip it over and do a gentle shake to help it settle, but I find that if I try to encourage it to actually fall downward it causes weird spots in the back. It's still dripping wet at this point... and I take that time to turn the water back on and rinse the conditioner off my shoulders and back without getting my hair wet again.

    Stepping out of the shower I take a t-shirt and blot it well on all sides CAREFULLY so as not to break curls and I don't scrunch. I kind of let it fall side to side and blot on the sides and then try to get the back and roots too. This is all upside down still and I have nice big clumps at this point.

    Then I put it in a long-sleeve t-shirt plop for one hour. Take it down and DON'T TOUCH IT AT ALL NO MATTER HOW WEIRD IT LOOKS! I learned that the hard way. My hair looks thin, sometimes messy, and loose. Then I let it air dry and it curls right up and gets a lot of volume by the time it's done. If I look at the back of my head right out of the plop I can see my scalp in areas and it's hard not to fiddle with it, but it always works out... just trust the technique!

    So I just go about the rest of my morning and try not to touch it or lean on things until it dries (usually a couple more hours total) and in that time I put my make-up on and straighten (yikes I know) my bangs because they don't sit well.

    My hair gets less frizzy throughout the day as it all soaks in and more fluffy. Once it's dry I flip my head upside down a few times and shake it a bit or flip it over one side on the top and the other without actually touching it to really up the volume.
    My Hair:
    2c
    Fine, low porosity, med/high density
    BSL - going for mid back to waist

    HG: currently
    just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

    Modified CG since February 2013

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