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*Calling All Finger Detangling Curlies**

Hello I have a few questions regarding finger detangling:

1: What is your technique when finger detangling- i.e. what do you do when you encounter a pretty bad knot?
-For myself, I separate my hair to two sides and run the conditioner UP my hair as if I am climbing a rope. The only issue is most of the bad knots are near the root. Is there something I can do once my hair is dry to prevent the really scary, bad knots?

2: In your opinion, what is the best and pretty cheap conditioner that detangles. I already tried: GF Go clean, TN, Suave, and V05. None of them detangled my hair, they were too slippery and merely sat on the knot and didn't do any assisting. I LOVE my Yes to Carrots, excellent assistance to knots. But it $8.99 and I need something cheaper unfortunately :(
-I already searched for a cheap alternative to YTC but nothing was coming up except DC OC- which I love but is WAYY more expensive to YTC.

3: Any other tips for finger detangling?

* I know no one can never go in the shower, wash their hair, and detangle with no knots. I don't care if I have simple knots that i can get through. I am writing more on those knots where you are scared that you are going to rip hair out of your head! LOL
** The way my signature is set-up in the exact steps to my current routine for this week. Except the shampoo is more on an every 2 week basis.

Thanks for any help.
CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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Comments

  • rainboerainboe Posts: 284Registered Users
    1: I pretty much do that to. I start at the bottom, going down in short little spurts. Then I go back up a little further and finger detangle down. If I hit a bad know, I'll put conditioner and maybe a little extra water on it, then I pick it apart with my fingers.

    2: Man, this question is hard because I pretty much have the same problem. Yes to Carrots is the best conditioner I've used in my hair for detangling and styling. I just really love it, even though it does cost slightly more than I want to pay for it. Sometimes Walgreens will have bogos on it, and so you could try shopping for sales. Tressume Naturals and GVP Conditioning Balm are suppose to be pretty detangling.

    3: I feel like using a moisturizing leave in and having healthy hair helps prevent knots. Also, are you doing anything to protect it at night? Like, do you have a satin pillow case? Do you put it up when you go to bed? Maybe you could try a satin bonnet.
    Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
    Lowpoo: Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
    Rinse Out:
    Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
    LI: Yes to Carrots
    Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
  • GracielouGracielou Posts: 42Registered Users
    I used to have horrrrrrible knots in my hair when I was younger. Even in my early teenage years, mom would take looong times (hours, even) to get all the knots out for me.

    Now? I'm one of those people that you said there aren't any of. ;) I totally haven't had ANY knots in my hair in probably....two years. The conditioners I use almost exclusively are GVP Conditioning Balm, Giovanni Direct Leave-In, and Kinky Curly Knot Today. I use Suave Coconut for my co-wash (I've never been able to decide...is Suave Coconut an ok condish?)

    Anyway, I'm not sure if it's just me being lucky, or if it's the products I use, or what, but...I literally never ever have knots in my hair.
    Currently using and loving: KCKT & KCCC, Suave Coconut, BRHG, GVP Conditioning Balm

    Next up to try: Protein Treatments


    3a/fine/almost waist length when pulled straight; bra-strap length when curly
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Gracielou wrote: »
    I used to have horrrrrrible knots in my hair when I was younger. Even in my early teenage years, mom would take looong times (hours, even) to get all the knots out for me.

    Now? I'm one of those people that you said there aren't any of. ;) I totally haven't had ANY knots in my hair in probably....two years. The conditioners I use almost exclusively are GVP Conditioning Balm, Giovanni Direct Leave-In, and Kinky Curly Knot Today. I use Suave Coconut for my co-wash (I've never been able to decide...is Suave Coconut an ok condish?)

    Anyway, I'm not sure if it's just me being lucky, or if it's the products I use, or what, but...I literally never ever have knots in my hair.


    you are the billionith person to be using the Giovanni leave in, I need to get that! lol Yes you are lucky! I use Suave too. I use it more for a wash-out but depending on the ingredients, I think it's a great co-wash as well. Many people recommend it! Thank you for your input :)
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    rainboe wrote: »
    1: I pretty much do that to. I start at the bottom, going down in short little spurts. Then I go back up a little further and finger detangle down. If I hit a bad know, I'll put conditioner and maybe a little extra water on it, then I pick it apart with my fingers.

    2: Man, this question is hard because I pretty much have the same problem. Yes to Carrots is the best conditioner I've used in my hair for detangling and styling. I just really love it, even though it does cost slightly more than I want to pay for it. Sometimes Walgreens will have bogos on it, and so you could try shopping for sales. Tressume Naturals and GVP Conditioning Balm are suppose to be pretty detangling.

    3: I feel like using a moisturizing leave in and having healthy hair helps prevent knots. Also, are you doing anything to protect it at night? Like, do you have a satin pillow case? Do you put it up when you go to bed? Maybe you could try a satin bonnet.

    Thanks for making your post so structured with my questions! lol Ok, so you pick apart the knots...I do the same thing when its an extremely bad one, but I was getting worried that it was bad. But then I was becoming conflicted bc it's bad to rip through it so picking it apart must be a way better and curl effective way to take the knots out!

    YTC is so amazing, I guess it's not really that bad of a price and that is why I hate even having to consider getting something even more cheaper. I am definitely going to look out for some sales on that bc so many stores sell it too! The last time I tried TN, was a while ago, so maybe I will re-try it again if it's a good detangler. It's funny bc Deva Curl One condition gave me the best detangling results, so then I tried YTC bc it was the same and cheaper, but now it's like ughhh I need something cheaper than that.

    At night, I wrap my hair with a silk scarf. I make sure it wraps under the nape of my hair bc those are very prone to knots as well. It works ok. Pineappling is alright but I think it messes with the spring or elasticity of my curls. I haven't done it in a while so I am on 2nd day good hair (miracle for me! lol) so I might try that tonight.

    Thanks to you as well for your wonderful input :)
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    What I do is I start detangling from the bottom up. I'll hold my hair still a few inches up with one hand, that way when I detangle the bottom it won't tug on the roots and pull out hairseseses. . . then I just rake very gently with my other fingers and when I hit a knot I first rinse with water and then add extra conditioner, teasing the knot with the tips of my figners and plucking it (I guess you could say "pick") so that I can unravel it very, very gently. Once I've sufficiently detangled the first bottom few inches of my hair I work my way up. Same process. I try to finger detangle every time. And my favorite conditioner for slip is trader joes tea tree tingle. I mix it with more moisturizing conditioners though bc I have very thirsty porous hair. I also recommend boiling some marshmallow root and adding it to your conditioner (the same day preferably, in a small bowl--just mix!) if you want and/or need some super slip.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • TrickTrick Posts: 140Registered Users
    Gracielou wrote: »
    I used to have horrrrrrible knots in my hair when I was younger. Even in my early teenage years, mom would take looong times (hours, even) to get all the knots out for me.

    Now? I'm one of those people that you said there aren't any of. ;) I totally haven't had ANY knots in my hair in probably....two years. The conditioners I use almost exclusively are GVP Conditioning Balm, Giovanni Direct Leave-In, and Kinky Curly Knot Today. I use Suave Coconut for my co-wash (I've never been able to decide...is Suave Coconut an ok condish?)

    Anyway, I'm not sure if it's just me being lucky, or if it's the products I use, or what, but...I literally never ever have knots in my hair.

    Gracielou, I was starting to feel like I was the only one! Long or short, I haven't had an issue with tangles in a long time...although when I was younger I definitely did, which tells me that it must at least partially be technique in my case. I can say that when I get in the shower to wet my hair down I ALWAYS make sure that the water direction is flowing *with* the direction of my hair (I guess I kind of have to lean back a bit to make that happen), and that I finger comb with the full force of the shower running through my hair while it's wetting down -- flowing water is the best detangler I've found and once the hair is wet and organized it seems to stay that way throughout the shower.

    From experience detangling my horse's mane and tail, I can also say to never pull on anything hard enough to make another part of the tangled hair tighten up, because you can actually make a tangle in one area WORSE while you're fighting a different one.

    2c/3a, fine, low porosity.

    Poo: Garnier Fructis Pure Clean (yes, it has A Sulfate!!, but I have Teflon hair)
    Co-wash (when I feel so inclined, which isn't often!): VO5 Kiwi Lime Clarifying Conditioner
    Conditioner/LI:
    same for both -- whatever I have in the shower at the time (I experiment a lot)
    Style: EcoStyler Olive Oil <3
    Dry: Diffuse or air dry, or both...depends on my mood

  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    You guys are lucky!! I wish I could finger detangle, but there is NOOOO way!!

    Interesting to read through this, though!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Trick wrote: »
    Gracielou wrote: »
    I used to have horrrrrrible knots in my hair when I was younger. Even in my early teenage years, mom would take looong times (hours, even) to get all the knots out for me.

    Now? I'm one of those people that you said there aren't any of. ;) I totally haven't had ANY knots in my hair in probably....two years. The conditioners I use almost exclusively are GVP Conditioning Balm, Giovanni Direct Leave-In, and Kinky Curly Knot Today. I use Suave Coconut for my co-wash (I've never been able to decide...is Suave Coconut an ok condish?)

    Anyway, I'm not sure if it's just me being lucky, or if it's the products I use, or what, but...I literally never ever have knots in my hair.

    Gracielou, I was starting to feel like I was the only one! Long or short, I haven't had an issue with tangles in a long time...although when I was younger I definitely did, which tells me that it must at least partially be technique in my case. I can say that when I get in the shower to wet my hair down I ALWAYS make sure that the water direction is flowing *with* the direction of my hair (I guess I kind of have to lean back a bit to make that happen), and that I finger comb with the full force of the shower running through my hair while it's wetting down -- flowing water is the best detangler I've found and once the hair is wet and organized it seems to stay that way throughout the shower.

    From experience detangling my horse's mane and tail, I can also say to never pull on anything hard enough to make another part of the tangled hair tighten up, because you can actually make a tangle in one area WORSE while you're fighting a different one.


    This might sound dumb but I never thought of using the water to help me. I actually turn it off. I am soooo going to try this method. THANK YOU
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    What I do is I start detangling from the bottom up. I'll hold my hair still a few inches up with one hand, that way when I detangle the bottom it won't tug on the roots and pull out hairseseses. . . then I just rake very gently with my other fingers and when I hit a knot I first rinse with water and then add extra conditioner, teasing the knot with the tips of my figners and plucking it (I guess you could say "pick") so that I can unravel it very, very gently. Once I've sufficiently detangled the first bottom few inches of my hair I work my way up. Same process. I try to finger detangle every time. And my favorite conditioner for slip is trader joes tea tree tingle. I mix it with more moisturizing conditioners though bc I have very thirsty porous hair. I also recommend boiling some marshmallow root and adding it to your conditioner (the same day preferably, in a small bowl--just mix!) if you want and/or need some super slip.

    WATER seems to be the clue I am stupidly not trying. I turn the water off when I begin detangling because it takes me so long. I am going to use water! I wrote the TJ and MR down and kept a special note of it so when I can financially, I am going to try these two out. thanks!
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Again, I don't (can't) finger detangle, but I use the water while I wide tooth comb, so I'm sure the concept is the same! Makes the tangles come out much easier!

    Maybe I'll try finger detangling again ate I get a cut... We'll see!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Jas76 wrote: »
    Again, I don't (can't) finger detangle, but I use the water while I wide tooth comb, so I'm sure the concept is the same! Makes the tangles come out much easier!

    Maybe I'll try finger detangling again ate I get a cut... We'll see!

    I feel so silly knowing it was water that I needed. I obviously use water to wet my hair but then I shut it off when my fingers work their magic...and pain LOL.

    I used a wide tooth for soo long. But then after my deva-cut she showed me how to detangle with my fingers. It was so easy after my cut, but now it's going back to where I want a comb again.

    I think you should try it, but keep your comb next to you jUST IN CASE! LOL
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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  • CeallachgCeallachg Posts: 60Registered Users
    If I don't detangle regularly, I can get nasty knots right at my nape so I feel your pain. When it's bad, I'll use a brush to loosen the knot before getting it wet. It almost gives me a jump start on getting it out in the shower.
    dusalocks wrote: »
    What I do is I start detangling from the bottom up. I'll hold my hair still a few inches up with one hand, that way when I detangle the bottom it won't tug on the roots and pull out hairseseses. . . then I just rake very gently with my other fingers and when I hit a knot I first rinse with water and then add extra conditioner, teasing the knot with the tips of my figners and plucking it (I guess you could say "pick") so that I can unravel it very, very gently. Once I've sufficiently detangled the first bottom few inches of my hair I work my way up.

    I do the same thing as far as technique, and Samanthascurls, I also use AIA Coconut CoWash. I sometimes try to detangle my hair after the cowash (before rinsing) but it's difficult unless I want to tear up my hair. For some reason, though, it becomes SO much easier to work the knots out after rinsing!

    I would try using the AIA as your detangler. To me it works the same as both DevaCurl One Conditioner, so it might work well for you, too.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]2b/2c, fine, thick, normal porosity/elasticity

    Current routine: co-wash & detangle with AIA Coconut CoWash then RO. Experimenting w/AG re:coil, DCVF & All-Nutrient Hair Proteinizer.
    Love: AO GPB, KCCC, PBH Gelatine Goo, ANHP, CNPF
    Like: GDL, FSG, honey, HETT, JCNS, DCVF
    Hate: glycerin, mineral oil
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Ceallachg wrote: »
    If I don't detangle regularly, I can get nasty knots right at my nape so I feel your pain. When it's bad, I'll use a brush to loosen the knot before getting it wet. It almost gives me a jump start on getting it out in the shower.
    dusalocks wrote: »
    What I do is I start detangling from the bottom up. I'll hold my hair still a few inches up with one hand, that way when I detangle the bottom it won't tug on the roots and pull out hairseseses. . . then I just rake very gently with my other fingers and when I hit a knot I first rinse with water and then add extra conditioner, teasing the knot with the tips of my figners and plucking it (I guess you could say "pick") so that I can unravel it very, very gently. Once I've sufficiently detangled the first bottom few inches of my hair I work my way up.

    I do the same thing as far as technique, and Samanthascurls, I also use AIA Coconut CoWash. I sometimes try to detangle my hair after the cowash (before rinsing) but it's difficult unless I want to tear up my hair. For some reason, though, it becomes SO much easier to work the knots out after rinsing!

    I would try using the AIA as your detangler. To me it works the same as both DevaCurl One Conditioner, so it might work well for you, too.

    Thanks for your tips!!

    I used to use AIA for my detangler and it was doing SO WELL! BUT then the more I used it for that the less it was helping. I am now trying to use AIA (besides just my cowash) but also to get my hair ready for it to be finger detangled.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    I took EVERYONE'S advice. The simple solution was water. That being said, my wash n go yesterday, I made sure to add water while detangling. WORKED LIKE A CHARM! It was amazing and my detangling was 10x faster!! THANK YOU EVERYONE!
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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