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IS there a gel - OR a mousse - without

MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
protein, polyquats or glycerin? other than making flaxseed gel? If I could get it on the ground I would, but I dont really want to be cooking up hair products :sad10:...

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  • greencup13greencup13 Posts: 596Registered Users
    Bump. Also curious.
    3A 3B mix
    Colored treated
    Combo Low and High porosity
    Medium coarse texture

    Goosefootprints hair analysis
    Co-wash- As I Am Co-wash
    RO-GVPCB[/COLOR
    LI- As I Am leave in,
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    Style- la looks sport gel
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users
    A few that come to mind are:

    LA Looks Power Spikes
    Kinky Curly curling custard
    Curl junkie pattern pusha

    But please double-check since I'm not sure about the polyquats (don't ever look for that)
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • HootenannyHootenanny Posts: 300Registered Users
    If you consider KCCC a gel, then it doesn't have any of those things.

    LA Looks Power Spikes has some strange ingredients, but I don't *think* it has any of these things.

    ETA: Chloe beat me by a minute! Lol! :)
    :cat: Medium/coarse, low porosity, dense, mix of 3s :cat:
    CG (again) since Nov. 2012

    Cleanse: SM Moisture Retention, Elucence MBC, KC Come Clean
    Condish: Giovanni DL, Cure Care, Ion Treatment, GVP Balm, AOHR
    Protein: AOGPB, CNPF, SSRPT
    Stylers: KCCC, SM Souffle, AOMM, SS CEJ, JCRR, JCCC

    :cat: Trying out steaming! :cat:
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users
    One more after searching on curlmart:

    Jessicurl Confident Coils

    Water (Aqua), Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, VP/VA Copolymer, Polyimide-1, C 12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Cetearyl Alcohol (and) Polysorbate 60; Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Dehydroxanthan Gum, Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom Salt), Diazolidinyl Urea (and) Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    This polyquats build up issue... Can they not be removed with low-poo?

    Myrna, I'm soon going to try a super clarifying treatment from Sally's that some claim has worked miracles for them - I'll let you know if it does for me! Perhaps you could benefit of your hair has not been behaving lately??

    Oh! And I THINK all of the Jessicurl stuff is polyquat free? The Rockin Ringlets gel is basically FSG.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • New_to_CurlzNew_to_Curlz Posts: 115Registered Users
    How do you know if its a polyquat?
    Volumax mega hold doesn't have any ingredients the say polyquat
    Fine texture
    Low/ Med porosity
    Med density

    Wash: SM MR, GTTT
    RO: SM MR, GTTT
    LI: SM CSM or SM MR
    Styling:AVG, KCCC, Volumax MEGA (HG), Joico Curl Definer
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    LA Looks Power Spikes - [see Chloe's comment below]

    KCCC - No protein, no polyquats, no glycerin.

    Curl Junkie Pattern Pusha - No protein, no polyquats, no glycerin. Many people compare KCCC to CJ PP.

    Jessicurl Rockin' Ringlets - No protein, no polyquats, but it contains glycerin.

    With regards to Jessicurl, Jas is right: they don't contain any polyquats. However, I would avoid the Awe Inspiraling Spray (glycerin) and the Gelebration Spray (glycerin). You could use Confident Coils Styling Solution, though.

    Jas, polyquats are tough to remove with just a low-poo. I'm sensitive to them but they're in my gel (I'm using it until I finished the bottle, which will take max two months, pfew! Unless I get addicted to FSG...), so I have to use a sulfate poo more often than I'd like too. I wash my hair only once a week so that doesn't help, either.

    New_to_Curlz, you can recognise polyquats by simply looking for something called "Polyquat(s)" or "Polyquaternium," usually followed by a number. I'm not sure what gel you mean, but when I look for the gel you mention, I get something called Volumax Styling Gel and the second ingredient is "Polyquaternium-4" so it does contain polyquats.

    HTH!
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users
    These are the ingredients from drugstore.com for the la looks power spikes- I don't see protein in here....maybe there was a formula change?

    Water (Aqua), PVP, Sorbitol, Carbomer, Phenoxyethanol, PEG 40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, PPG 5 Ceteth 20, Aminomethyl Propanol, Methylparaben, Propylene Glycol, Panthenyl Ethyl Ether, Disodium EDTA, Methylisothiazolinone, Fragrance, Yellow 5, Green 5
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Oh that might very well be the case, Chloe. I found it in a topic because the search function was failing me, and it was posted in 2011. Thanks for the heads up. I never really know what drugstores to look for because I don't live in the US and don't have access to many products. I'm sure about KCCC and CJ PP though because I'm thinking about trying one of those myself, so I studied them.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks, Curlfriends, keep those suggestions coming. I need something to use on top of CK. Today I used a Giovanni gel, and my hair came out great. but, its a low humidity day. Jas, I tried the Rockin Ringlets years ago but that was before my current routine and CG. It may be worth trying again. Yes.
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users
    The jessicurl confident coils stuff fits the bill too....I added the ingredients to my previous post, straight from the JC website. It's the Rockin ringlets that has glycerin.
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • New_to_CurlzNew_to_Curlz Posts: 115Registered Users
    Thank you Lauraimes! That is what I thought I should look for but I didn't know if polyquats had any other names.

    The gel I referred to is Volumax Mega Hold Gel from Sally's. It is different than the regular one that is in the product list on this site.
    The ingredients are:
    Water/Aqua/Eau, Polyacrylate-2 Crosspolymer, Aminomethyl Propanol, Ceteth-20, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein PG-Propyl Silanetriol, Laureth-12, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Tetrasodium EDTA, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, DMDM Hydantoin, Benzyl Benzoate, Limonene, Benzyl Salicylate, Fragrance/Parfum

    I chose it because it had no glycerin and had some protein in it. I really like it.
    Fine texture
    Low/ Med porosity
    Med density

    Wash: SM MR, GTTT
    RO: SM MR, GTTT
    LI: SM CSM or SM MR
    Styling:AVG, KCCC, Volumax MEGA (HG), Joico Curl Definer
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users
    Myrna wrote: »
    Thanks, Curlfriends, keep those suggestions coming. I need something to use on top of CK. Today I used a Giovanni gel, and my hair came out great. but, its a low humidity day. Jas, I tried the Rockin Ringlets years ago but that was before my current routine and CG. It may be worth trying again. Yes.

    Myrna, since CK has polyquats and glycerin, why you would need to eliminate those ingredients in a gel that you'll be using over it? To get the full effect of eliminating them, you would want to completely stop using all three for a week or so to see if your hair improves.

    I have been avoiding glycerin in my styling products for the last month and have had awesome hair. Today, I decided to use Curl Keeper to see if I could use it (CK is my mid dew fave!). My experiment was confirmed- dews were in the 70s today and I had major frizz. No more glycerin in high dews for me!
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Good point, Chloe. I dont have an answer...CK works good for me most of the time, but you're right about the glycerin, and I see now that it has a polyquat as the last ingredient. I may have to get a sample of the Jessicurls confident coils.
  • morganrcmorganrc Posts: 86Registered Users
    Jas76 wrote: »
    This polyquats build up issue... Can they not be removed with low-poo? .

    I never have a problem with them. I see them in things I use all the time and I don't even honestly remember the last time I needed (or did for that matter) used a low poo. I'm pretty sure polyquats are supposedly conditioning agents, and I have personally never had them act as anything else. Maybe they are just too heavy for some people? I'm not sure what the issue is, but it does strike my curiosity too!

    Sent from my LG-LG730 using CurlTalk App
    2B, Coarse, Low-Medium Porosity, Dense.
    -Cowash - Kiss My Face Whenever.
    -Rinse Out/Leave in - Nature's Gate Biotin.
    -No stylers.:thumbright:
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    So will coco-betaine not remove polyquats? It has to be a sulfate? What about EDTA?

    I posted about LAPS awhile back - I'd always been told it was protein heavy, but my bottle doesn't list even one! LALS is higher - it has two, but even they aren't hydrogenated.

    Myrna, LALPS might be a good one to try. And it's dirt cheap!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Well, here's the thing: according to the CurlChemist, polyquats don't cause build-up or any other troubles for curlies. However, some people, like kathymack, experience build-up that is very difficult to remove with a gentle shampoo. I'm one of these people. Basically I get massive build-up from polyquats which leaves my hair feeling weirdly coated. If I have used polyquats and my hair is wet, I can see frizz (and I am not frizz-prone at all). The only solution is using more agressive surfactants than I would like.

    Kathymack is much better at explaining all this.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    yes, I have read Kathy's issues with polyquats so I decided to investigate...I am not sure that is the issue with my hair. I think the larger issues are that I cant handle a lot of glycerin, and probably not protein either with my hair being coarse and low porosity. Jas, I have LALSG, and it has protein and glycerin; what about the PS?
  • sheilacurlsheilacurl Posts: 1,240Registered Users
    A couple of other ingredients in Curlkeeper that I was curious about and found out this:

    propylene glycol: "is able to lower the melting point of water, and so it is used as aircraft de-icing fluid. It is similarly used as automotive antifreeze."

    DMDM Hydantoin: "A preservative that contains formaldehyde."

    Gah! Who knew?
    Upper Michigan Dews
    3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

    NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
    Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
    Detangler: KCKT
    Leave-in: CJ Repair me
    Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
    Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

    iHerb Discount Code: SAF007

  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Well, Ill use up what I have of CK and then perhaps re consider. I have wondered about CIAB also. I will have to research the difference between the 2 products.
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Myrna, the LALPS has no glycerin, no protein, and apparently no polyquats. :)

    It does have a "man-ish" scent to it, but it's not strong and it fades completely once it's dried.

    I'd give it a try, and the JCRR, too! :)
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    It has hydrogenated castor oil, I believe... : (
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Oh, sorry. I didn't realize that, or that you had issues with it.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    LOL, Jas, not your fault, my hair seems to have issues with everything. Depending on this, depending on that - this morning I applied Deva mousse over my CK. We'll see about that. I am tempted to consider KCCC since it works well for so many here....
  • PomegranateCurlPomegranateCurl Posts: 212Registered Users
    Kiss My Face Upper Management Gel should fit your no glycerin, polyquat or protein quest.

    It is a little weird though. I get that flash-drying effect but I get that from KCCC as well. I don't know if that's something I should just get over. Don't love the feeling though. Must be the aloe?
  • misbehavemisbehave Posts: 115Registered Users
    Jas76 wrote: »
    So will coco-betaine not remove polyquats? It has to be a sulfate? What about EDTA?

    I posted about LAPS awhile back - I'd always been told it was protein heavy, but my bottle doesn't list even one! LALS is higher - it has two, but even they aren't hydrogenated.

    Myrna, LALPS might be a good one to try. And it's dirt cheap!

    Here is a great article about polyquats:
    Low-Shampoo or Co-Wash Routines and Polyquats
    CG since 3/1/13
    3B; Low porosity, Coarse, & Extremely Protein Sensitive
    Very high density, waist length

    Co wash: Suave Clarifying or Sun Ripened Strawberry
    RO: Sun Ripened Strawberry, TN, or TN w/ veg glycerin
    Sealer: apricot oil
    Styler: 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard, Pantene Curl Defining Mousse, or BB "Mudd"
    Using a hard water filter, microfiber towel, & silk head scarves & pillowcases

    Avoiding: protein, coconut, & parabens
  • misbehavemisbehave Posts: 115Registered Users
    Kiss My Face Upper Management Gel should fit your no glycerin, polyquat or protein quest.

    It is a little weird though. I get that flash-drying effect but I get that from KCCC as well. I don't know if that's something I should just get over. Don't love the feeling though. Must be the aloe?

    Pomegranate,

    I couldn't use KCCC either. It could've been the aloe. I was initially thinking it might've been because of the horsetail, chamomile, nettle and/or marshmallow. I also didn't like KCKT which also has some of those ingredients. My thinking was they're all plants and plants have protein (although I'm still a bit confused on what size can penetrate the shaft). They were also listed high up in the ingredient list. Whichever ingredient it was it was acting as a protein/strengthener in my hair too!

    Personally I'm also avoiding panthenol (which is in the Kiss My Face gel) since I understand it to be a strengthener which acts like protein for those of us who are really sensitive.

    Sigh.
    CG since 3/1/13
    3B; Low porosity, Coarse, & Extremely Protein Sensitive
    Very high density, waist length

    Co wash: Suave Clarifying or Sun Ripened Strawberry
    RO: Sun Ripened Strawberry, TN, or TN w/ veg glycerin
    Sealer: apricot oil
    Styler: 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard, Pantene Curl Defining Mousse, or BB "Mudd"
    Using a hard water filter, microfiber towel, & silk head scarves & pillowcases

    Avoiding: protein, coconut, & parabens
  • PomegranateCurlPomegranateCurl Posts: 212Registered Users
    Misbehave, you may be on to something with proteins that may be in those ingredients.

    Silly story... my bf uses all my shampoos/conditioners since well... I guess it's convenient and I have a ton anyway. Soo he's CG as well now by default! Anyway, today lol he decided to use some of my KCKT (I think half as joke) and it turned his hair hard. His hair is very different than mine: 1c, coarse, low-porosity, dense. (I've determined.) I'm thinking maybe the KCKT had some proteins in it and it didn't agree w/ his low-porosity, coarse hair, whereas the KCKT alone has never had that effect on my hair. In any case I don't think it has a lot of proteins, but maybe a little.

    Sorry, don't mean to guano Myrna's thread.
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    PC, I thought guano was batsh-t...

    I cant use protein on my hair consistantly. I seem to be having the best luck now with CK and Deva Foam. Doesnt surprise me; I had good luck with Deva foam last summer.