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Dry hair

When I (consciously) went CG, I started off with CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil conditioner. Great smell, great consistency, and it should have given some great results as well because I had coarse hair. At least, I was convinced I had. However, it resulted in limp, overconditioned, weighed down hair. Turned out that my hair wasn't coarse at all, but fine, which explained a lot.

Now I'm low-pooing with CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo and I use AO GPB. My hair definitely likes protein, but I find that my ends are a bit dry. It made me doubt yesterday whether I was fine or had made a mistake again. When washing my hair today, I was convinced that yes, it really is fine, so I don't think the protein in GPB are the problem as might have been the case were I coarse-haired.

I'm thinking I need more moisture. In terms of styling, I'm using CJ CQ, which does not really moisturise my hair, and I'm experimenting with BRHG (today is a BRHG-only experiment). BRHG doesn't really provide moisture either. I have CJ CCCL, but the oils weigh my hair down so that's no option.

Now, I still have some CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive oil conditioner. It's just sitting there, which is a waste, and I was thinking that perhaps I should mix a tiny blob of it in my spray bottle and use that to re-wet my hair and see if it provides some moisture. However, it took me a few months to get rid of the oils that had been sitting on my hair after several co-washes. It's a risky thing I suppose because my hair is not too fond of oils, but I figured asking your opinion wouldn't hurt.

Would you take the gamble with my properties (fine, low-porosity) or would you advise something else? It's mostly the ends that are dry.
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
Styling: KCCC

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  • anshansh Posts: 11Registered Users
    I use head and shoulders for my hair. the best one is the 2 in 1 with shampoo and conditioner in one.
  • New_to_CurlzNew_to_Curlz Posts: 115Registered Users
    Unfortunately I don't have any advice but I want to see what others say. I've been using more products with protein and my hair feels extra dry and tangly too.
    Fine texture
    Low/ Med porosity
    Med density

    Wash: SM MR, GTTT
    RO: SM MR, GTTT
    LI: SM CSM or SM MR
    Styling:AVG, KCCC, Volumax MEGA (HG), Joico Curl Definer
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Unfortunately ansh, Head & Shoulders contains both sulfates and silicones. Sulfates are very drying for my hair and cones cause build-up, which weighs it down. Thanks for replying, though!

    New_to_Curlz, that's fine, hope this thread helps you as well!
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,091Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    i know of several people with fine texture who use cj beauticurls leave in alone (no styler) with great results. give it a try. they rotate cj gentle shampoo and cj daily fix, then just the beauticurls leave in. you could also use cj strengthening conditioner, it has protein in it.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • LynaeaLynaea Posts: 394Registered Users
    I've been using Protein Treatments as leave-ins, they don't weigh my hair down as much as regular LI/RO's do. Had decent results with Spiral Solutions and am really liking the SheScentIt okra repair.
    :nemo: 2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012 :nemo:

    This is what I'm happiest with right now.
    Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
    Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
    RO: SS Caitlin's co
    Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
    PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
    Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
    Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
    :thumbdown: glycerin, honey, oils & butters :thumright: Protein!
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    @rbb: Thanks for the tips! I want to try the Strengthening Conditioner, but right now I'm looking for a cheaper solution. What do you think about Aloe Vera Gel? I just read an article about Aloe Vera providing moisture. AVG is not too expensive here. I've already spent a lot of money on products that were just not for me so I'm trying to keep the price down.

    @Lyneae: But do the PTs provide enough moisture? I sometimes use the gelatine PT and my hair likes the protein but it doesn't seem moisturised afterwards.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    My hair is fine/low porosity. Don't know if my experience will help or not.

    If you're not using moisturizing PTs (like CJ Repair Me or SS Protein Repair), you have to do a DT following the PT. If you're doing the gelatin PT, you have to add moisturizing ingredients, or do a DT following the PT. I could add gelatin to my okra gel (1 envelope to 4 cups); however, the gelatin PT (1 envelope to 1/3 cup of water) coated my hair and didn't all come out. I did two gelatin PTs, a week apart. I needed to use a sulfate shampoo to remove that and all the build up it caused (my hair just couldn't absorb products after the gelatin PT.)

    The AO GPB might not be an all of the time rinse out for you. You could alternate it with the CJ Argan & OO and see if that makes it so you can use the CJ condioner. If not, you may want to try something else that's moisturizing. I find that using protein with a really rich product balances things out. You may have to add more moisture to your styling products if you continue to use the AO GPB all of the time. AVG alone wouldn't do it for me.

    Lastly, you've added the BRHG. My hair just hates all the chemicals. Several of the other products you're using have polyquats. While you are using lowpoo, it may or may not remove all of the chemicals from your hair.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Kathymack, thanks for your elaborate reply. I must say that my signature is not quite up-to-date since I don't use CJ CCCL any more.

    I've noticed I can't do the gelatine PT too often and now that I have AO GPB, it seems that doing the gelatine PT would be an overkill of protein. I'll try and see what happens when I alternate between GPB and my CJ conditioner. Perhaps that does the trick.

    Yeah, I've noticed the chemicals in BRHG. I'm wondering whether they could be drying as well... My hair generally likes natural products so I was surprised to get great results with BRHG. Do you perhaps have any recommendations for natural styling products? I don't have to fight frizz (luckily) and if it has good hold, my curls figure out the rest (at least, so it seems). I'm definitely eliminating polyquats. Right now, I'm still thinking about getting KCCC, but I'm open to other suggestions. I've looked at Shea Moisture Curling Soufflé but I'm scared it might be too heavy (several oils + shea butter) and it's ridiculously difficult and expensive to get here. Even KCCC is cheaper!
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    My hair didn't care for the SM products that I tried. While I frequently use minute amounts of really rich products with no problem, these are heavy rather than rich (if you understand the difference.) They just "sat" on my hair.

    Ingredients for the Souffle are very tempting to me.

    Aqueous Infusion of Agave Teqilana Leaf Extract and Sugar Cane Extract , Pectin , Vegetable Glycerin , Adansonia Digitata Pulp Extract (Baobab) , Cocos Nucifera Oil (Coconut) , Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter) , Panthenol (Pro-Vitamin B-5) , Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Extract , Tocopherol (Vitamin E) , Linum Usitatissimum Seed Extract (Linseed/Flax) , Hibiscus Sabdariffa Extract , Potassium Sorbate , Proprietary Essential Oil Blend

    I've kept myself from buying it because I didn't like the other product. As I read these, it's making me want to buy it.

    As far as product recommendations--my signature has a lot of my current favorites.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • asianrunnerasianrunner Posts: 2,251Registered Users
    What about using something like coconut oil on the ends of your hair? Some people "pre poo" with coconut oil and you could just seal with it or try putting some on the ends an hour before showering?
    Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
    cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

    rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Beauticurls, CJ Smoothing

    jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC
    gels: CJ CQ, CJ Pattern Pusha, BRHG

  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    I'm not sure if I dare to try that, asianrunner. My hair gets weighed down so easily and seeing that it's low porous, I expect the oil to just sit on top instead of truly moisturising it. Thanks for the suggestion though! :)
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    My hair didn't care for the SM products that I tried. While I frequently use minute amounts of really rich products with no problem, these are heavy rather than rich (if you understand the difference.) They just "sat" on my hair.

    Ingredients for the Souffle are very tempting to me.

    Aqueous Infusion of Agave Teqilana Leaf Extract and Sugar Cane Extract , Pectin , Vegetable Glycerin , Adansonia Digitata Pulp Extract (Baobab) , Cocos Nucifera Oil (Coconut) , Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter) , Panthenol (Pro-Vitamin B-5) , Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Extract , Tocopherol (Vitamin E) , Linum Usitatissimum Seed Extract (Linseed/Flax) , Hibiscus Sabdariffa Extract , Potassium Sorbate , Proprietary Essential Oil Blend

    I've kept myself from buying it because I didn't like the other product. As I read these, it's making me want to buy it.

    As far as product recommendations--my signature has a lot of my current favorites.
    Kathymack, I must admit that I really want to try the Soufflé as well. I do get what you mean - Shea Moisture being heavy instead of rich, but the Soufflé just sounds great. It's too tempting. To me, it sounds as if it will provide that bit of moisture I'm looking for in a styling product.

    I finally found a webshop in the Netherlands that sells it, yet it costs €20.00 ($26.00), and that's without shipping. It's even cheaper for me to get it at Amazon ($17.00 + $6.99 shipping. In euros that would be €18.00).

    An American friend is going to find out how much it would cost if he gets it at Target (only about $10.00 I believe - What a difference!), then ships it to me.

    I'm also looking at the products in your signature, but I need to do some more research before I can decide whether I'll give them a try or not :)
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    I bought the Souffle at Walgreens (drugstore.) It was $10.99 plus tax--more then on their website. I'll use it tomorrow and let you know.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Curious to hear what you think, Kathymack!
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    My two cents. When I first went CJ, or really my whole life, I'd been convinced my hair was SO dry and my answer to all that was to use the thickest products I could. Argan oil, shea butter, etc. but once I started to notice a pattern of my hair liking a product and then getting dryer, I realized these heavy products were the culprit. They did the same things as silicones. I learned to become patient. Lighter conditioners don't give you the same instant gratification, but over a few weeks the moisture levels in my hair would level out and wasn't on this dry-coated yoyo anymore.

    My leave-in conditioner is very lotion-y and I my rinse out strikes the perfect balance. Unlike you though I am protein sensitive. It makes my hair very frizzy and eventually crunchy. There is a little protein in my RO and that's all I need and can handle really.

    You'll have more options than me. My scalp is allergic to many things, but I would look at the ingredients in your local products and go from there. Ignore what they say on the label or for what hair type they are for.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • Wild_n_Curly21Wild_n_Curly21 Posts: 31Registered Users
    I need help with this too!! I have no idea what my hair likes!! All I know is that I have sections underneath that are tangled and dry and extemely coarse! Everyone is talking about proteins and all this stuff. I don't know what I have and it's frustrating blindly stumbling through trail and error! I have thick hair and a lot of it too! The underneath is definitely coarse! Help? Haha(:
  • Wild_n_Curly21Wild_n_Curly21 Posts: 31Registered Users
    What does proteins have to do with my hair an what do I need to look for in a good leave in and a COwas
  • shellyRN07swavyshellyRN07swavy Posts: 309Registered Users
    I'm not sure how to do multiple quotes so here goes. First off I have definitely improved my hair dramatically because of kathymack!!!! And I now use several of her products in her signature. But I believe that CJCQ has polyquats in it,double check the ingredients. The CJ strengthening conditioner also contains polyquats.

    I used to use up to 3 different kinds of gel daily to help with hold, but realized that this was causing my hair to be dry and tangled. Using more natural healthy products, and minimizing the products I use in my routine has been very beneficial.

    I found to not really like CJ conditioners, just didn't seem to do anything good for my hair. I am now using sevi pumpkin conditioner for my RO, thanks to kathymack again lol...I also like suave naturals coconut conditioner for cheap rec. I'd definitely lean towards lighter rich products than heavy oily ones.

    I used coconut oil when I first started CG, and it was a disaster!!!!! My hair never absorbed it, and it Just coated my hair. It took me couple of months to reverse the damage ugh.

    I'm also wondering if there might be an ingredient in GPB that could cause buildup issues. I had to do a heavy cleanser to remove all the buildup.I have very hard water, so I'm not sure if it was just some mineral buildup. I'm slowly adding GPB back into my routine, since my hair dose like it.

    I really didn't give you any suggestions, but since our hair behaves the same; figured I could share my experiences. Good luck
    2b/c CG since 8/12
    I have low porosity and fine/med texture. Easily weighed down and VERY frizzy crown, with straighter under layers

    Low-poo:TJ TTT, CJ GCS
    LI/RO/DC: CK Satin Roots,Sevi Pumpkin, SSI Okra reconstructor, CJ SAC,CJ RM
    Stylers: AG Recoil, JC SS
    Jellies: CK Coil Jam, Okra gel(HG)
    Gel: JC CC, Ouidad H&H gel, Ouidad moisture lock gel

    Hair loves moisture:love3: protein.
    MUST Pixie diffuse.

    My hair dose NOT like oils, butters or polyquats:twisted: Or glycerin in high dews
  • Wild_n_Curly21Wild_n_Curly21 Posts: 31Registered Users
    I'm not sure how to do multiple quotes so here goes. First off I have definitely improved my hair dramatically because of kathymack!!!! And I now use several of her products in her signature. But I believe that CJCQ has polyquats in it,double check the ingredients. The CJ strengthening conditioner also contains polyquats.

    I used to use up to 3 different kinds of gel daily to help with hold, but realized that this was causing my hair to be dry and tangled. Using more natural healthy products, and minimizing the products I use in my routine has been very beneficial.

    I found to not really like CJ conditioners, just didn't seem to do anything good for my hair. I am now using sevi pumpkin conditioner for my RO, thanks to kathymack again lol...I also like suave naturals coconut conditioner for cheap rec. I'd definitely lean towards lighter rich products than heavy oily ones.

    I used coconut oil when I first started CG, and it was a disaster!!!!! My hair never absorbed it, and it Just coated my hair. It took me couple of months to reverse the damage ugh.

    I'm also wondering if there might be an ingredient in GPB that could cause buildup issues. I had to do a heavy cleanser to remove all the buildup.I have very hard water, so I'm not sure if it was just some mineral buildup. I'm slowly adding GPB back into my routine, since my hair dose like it.

    I really didn't give you any suggestions, but since our hair behaves the same; figured I could share my experiences. Good luck

    This brand Kathymack.. Where do you buy it? And you use their leave in and actual conditioner ?
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Thanks for sharing, Jessiebanana! I'll wait a few more weeks and see if my moisture balances itself out.

    Shelly, thank you for you reply! Once I finish CQ, I'm eliminating the polyquats. I don't have much left any more, luckily.

    I also lean more towards lighter, rich products. I am going to try kathymack's suggestion though if my balance has not restored, and see what happens when I RO with the argan and olive oil conditioner occasionally. Or perhaps just apply it to the ends, because the rest of my hair isn't that dry.

    I'm not going to try coconut oil. It's likely my hair will not absorb it at all and will coat it so I'll steer clear of that.

    I don't experience any build-up from GPB, just from the polyquats in CQ.

    I'm looking at kathymack's signature as well. I'm curious about the CK Coil Jam and I discovered that ordering is really easy, yet shipping is way more expensive than the product itself! I should get at least two products before shipping it less than the product total. Weird, isn't it? I'm just not sure if these products would be to heavy for me or not. I'm trying to figure out what the particular ingredients could do for my hair.

    Also waiting to hear what kathymack thinks about the Soufflé. Have you used that, Shelly?

    Wild_n_Curly21, kathymack isn't a brand, lol! She's a curly member and has a lot of experience as well as knowledge. Her advice has helped so many people already. She posted on this thread, too.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    My hair always likes Inecto Cocos Conditioner after using proteinrich RO/PT and you can buy that anywhere (in Netherlands). It's not too expensive and CG. I also like Motions CPR Triple Leave In Conditioner (Etos) as a RO or LI. It's light and moisturizing, no oils. These two generic brands I keep buying over and over for years now. They can also be used in homemade DT's.

    Edit: Kathymack could be a brand ;
    Kathymack the brand for good and honest advice about haircare and hair products!
    LOL :D
    _____
    2b-c/3a med/fine- low porosity- normal elasticity, BSL
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    Rapunzel4ever:
    Is the Inecto conditioner really CG? I remember standing in a store like 2 weeks ago, watching Inecto things and putting it back on the shelf. Probably because it wasn't CG but I'm not sure.

    Does anyone know if Kathymack also ships to Europe?
    (if Kathymack Herself, yes with capital H, reads this: hi!)
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

    iherb.com: get a 5$ discount on orders under 40$ or a 10$ discount on orders over 40$ when you order for your first order by using the following discount code: CFH441
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Neleke wrote: »
    Rapunzel4ever:
    Is the Inecto conditioner really CG? I remember standing in a store like 2 weeks ago, watching Inecto things and putting it back on the shelf. Probably because it wasn't CG but I'm not sure.

    Does anyone know if Kathymack also ships to Europe?
    (if Kathymack Herself, yes with capital H, reads this: hi!)

    The regular Inecto conditioner in the tall bottle is CG, everything else in the line contains silicones IIRC. Ingredients are "water, cetearyl alcohol, stearalkonium chloride, cetrimonium chloride, coconut oil, fragrance, magnesium nitrate, methylchloro-isothiazolinone, magnesium chloride, methylisothiazolinone, citric acid."
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • shellyRN07swavyshellyRN07swavy Posts: 309Registered Users
    I'm not sure how to do multiple quotes so here goes. First off I have definitely improved my hair dramatically because of kathymack!!!! And I now use several of her products in her signature. But I believe that CJCQ has polyquats in it,double check the ingredients. The CJ strengthening conditioner also contains polyquats.

    I used to use up to 3 different kinds of gel daily to help with hold, but realized that this was causing my hair to be dry and tangled. Using more natural healthy products, and minimizing the products I use in my routine has been very beneficial.

    I found to not really like CJ conditioners, just didn't seem to do anything good for my hair. I am now using sevi pumpkin conditioner for my RO, thanks to kathymack again lol...I also like suave naturals coconut conditioner for cheap rec. I'd definitely lean towards lighter rich products than heavy oily ones.

    I used coconut oil when I first started CG, and it was a disaster!!!!! My hair never absorbed it, and it Just coated my hair. It took me couple of months to reverse the damage ugh.

    I'm also wondering if there might be an ingredient in GPB that could cause buildup issues. I had to do a heavy cleanser to remove all the buildup.I have very hard water, so I'm not sure if it was just some mineral buildup. I'm slowly adding GPB back into my routine, since my hair dose like it.

    I really didn't give you any suggestions, but since our hair behaves the same; figured I could share my experiences. Good luck

    This brand Kathymack.. Where do you buy it? And you use their leave in and actual conditioner ?

    Kathymack is a curly guru!!!

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using CurlTalk App
    2b/c CG since 8/12
    I have low porosity and fine/med texture. Easily weighed down and VERY frizzy crown, with straighter under layers

    Low-poo:TJ TTT, CJ GCS
    LI/RO/DC: CK Satin Roots,Sevi Pumpkin, SSI Okra reconstructor, CJ SAC,CJ RM
    Stylers: AG Recoil, JC SS
    Jellies: CK Coil Jam, Okra gel(HG)
    Gel: JC CC, Ouidad H&H gel, Ouidad moisture lock gel

    Hair loves moisture:love3: protein.
    MUST Pixie diffuse.

    My hair dose NOT like oils, butters or polyquats:twisted: Or glycerin in high dews
  • shellyRN07swavyshellyRN07swavy Posts: 309Registered Users
    Lauraimes wrote: »
    Thanks for sharing, Jessiebanana! I'll wait a few more weeks and see if my moisture balances itself out.

    Shelly, thank you for you reply! Once I finish CQ, I'm eliminating the polyquats. I don't have much left any more, luckily.

    I also lean more towards lighter, rich products. I am going to try kathymack's suggestion though if my balance has not restored, and see what happens when I RO with the argan and olive oil conditioner occasionally. Or perhaps just apply it to the ends, because the rest of my hair isn't that dry.

    I'm not going to try coconut oil. It's likely my hair will not absorb it at all and will coat it so I'll steer clear of that.

    I don't experience any build-up from GPB, just from the polyquats in CQ.

    I'm looking at kathymack's signature as well. I'm curious about the CK Coil Jam and I discovered that ordering is really easy, yet shipping is way more expensive than the product itself! I should get at least two products before shipping it less than the product total. Weird, isn't it? I'm just not sure if these products would be to heavy for me or not. I'm trying to figure out what the particular ingredients could do for my hair.

    Also waiting to hear what kathymack thinks about the Soufflé. Have you used that, Shelly?

    I have coil jam and I really like it. I only need small amount for my midback length; I use about a dime size. Its rich and moisturizing but not heavy. It gives me great clumps too. I alwsys seem to reach for this; use just a dab over my okra gel. I do feel ghat you would need some kind of jelly on top for hold. I dont use gel anymore, I use "jelly" type products instead. They have healthier ingredients for your hair ( again from kathymack;) )I also have satin roots LI which is also awesome. Was using it everywash in winter, rich but light. Have stopped using LI all together with the FL humidity. I was thinking of the ordering the conditioner, since the other 2 products from the line are wonderful.

    I'm glad to hear that GPB has not caused buildup issues. Must be just the mineral issues from my water.

    I have not tried the souffle. Have been thinking about it, but am happy with my okra gel right now.

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using CurlTalk App
    2b/c CG since 8/12
    I have low porosity and fine/med texture. Easily weighed down and VERY frizzy crown, with straighter under layers

    Low-poo:TJ TTT, CJ GCS
    LI/RO/DC: CK Satin Roots,Sevi Pumpkin, SSI Okra reconstructor, CJ SAC,CJ RM
    Stylers: AG Recoil, JC SS
    Jellies: CK Coil Jam, Okra gel(HG)
    Gel: JC CC, Ouidad H&H gel, Ouidad moisture lock gel

    Hair loves moisture:love3: protein.
    MUST Pixie diffuse.

    My hair dose NOT like oils, butters or polyquats:twisted: Or glycerin in high dews
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Shelly, if you're happy with what you use right now, don't get the Soufflé :) I was happy with my previous low-poo and conditioner and although I was curious about so many other products, I just stuck to what I already had because it worked for me. Too bad they discontinued those.

    What do you use for hold? Hold is my biggest problem.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • shellyRN07swavyshellyRN07swavy Posts: 309Registered Users
    I've been adding agave nectar to my okra gel. It is really easy to make and its pretty cheap. I bought all the addins ingredients for like $50, but this will provide few years worth of use. So its like $15-20 a year!!! Can't beat that!!! Plus you can customize it to what your hair needs- more moisture, or protein or hold or all 3!!!

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using CurlTalk App
    2b/c CG since 8/12
    I have low porosity and fine/med texture. Easily weighed down and VERY frizzy crown, with straighter under layers

    Low-poo:TJ TTT, CJ GCS
    LI/RO/DC: CK Satin Roots,Sevi Pumpkin, SSI Okra reconstructor, CJ SAC,CJ RM
    Stylers: AG Recoil, JC SS
    Jellies: CK Coil Jam, Okra gel(HG)
    Gel: JC CC, Ouidad H&H gel, Ouidad moisture lock gel

    Hair loves moisture:love3: protein.
    MUST Pixie diffuse.

    My hair dose NOT like oils, butters or polyquats:twisted: Or glycerin in high dews
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    I've actually managed to accidentally avoid polyquats my entire CG life. I'm going to try CIAB even though it has polyquat 10. I low poo so I hope everything is fine.

    I know different things work for everyone. I can't use poo bars and Kathy can, so we'll see. It's also one polyquat and not a ton.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    Jessiebanana, most people aren't bothered by polyquats at all :) I'm just hoping I will discover things that actually work and not just the things that don't work (useful to know, yes, but I want my curls to look good).
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    Neleke wrote: »
    Rapunzel4ever:
    Is the Inecto conditioner really CG? I remember standing in a store like 2 weeks ago, watching Inecto things and putting it back on the shelf. Probably because it wasn't CG but I'm not sure.

    Does anyone know if Kathymack also ships to Europe?
    (if Kathymack Herself, yes with capital H, reads this: hi!)

    The regular Inecto conditioner in the tall bottle is CG, everything else in the line contains silicones IIRC. Ingredients are "water, cetearyl alcohol, stearalkonium chloride, cetrimonium chloride, coconut oil, fragrance, magnesium nitrate, methylchloro-isothiazolinone, magnesium chloride, methylisothiazolinone, citric acid."

    @Neleke: Firefox is absolutely right, no bad stuff in the inecto co!

    _____
    2b-c/3a med/fine- low porosity- normal elasticity, BSL
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
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