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For those who use a sulfate shampoo:

MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,362Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
1. How often do you shampoo? 2. what shampoo do you use? 3. What are the properties of your hair, and 4. Why do you think it makes no difference if you use a sulfate shampoo versus one without sulfates?

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  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 880Registered Users
    1. I currently use a sulfate shampoo once a week because I wash my hair only once a week. I've been sulfate-free since 2010, but unfortunately I bought styling products with polyquats in them and a low-poo doesn't remove them :-/ It's the only way to get rid of the build-up I get from polyquats. Buying new styling products would be the solution but it's so expensive to get them here in the Netherlands that I feel forced to use up these first.

    2. I once got a sample of Rituals Cool Kami (Cool Kami 70 ml - Mini's - Rituals.com | Your body. Your soul. Your rituals.) and have been using that. As I've said, I haven't used any sulfate shampoos since 2010 so I was lucky that I still had this one.

    3. Self-assessed: low porosity, high density, long, fine hair. Normal elasticity. Hates oils, silicones, sulfates and polyquats. Loves protein.

    4. It definitely makes a difference. My hair looks terrible when I've been to the hairdresser because she uses sulfates and cones. Even now, my hair doesn't look its best. It's rather dry and out of balance. Can't wait to stop using sulfates again and regain my hair's health and moisture.
    F - LP - HD - NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
    Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    1. I vary my use of sulfate shampoo. I've used as rarely as once a month, and as frequently as daily. I typically average around once or twice a week.
    2. I've been hooked on CHS Treatment Shampoo for over a year. I recently acquired a second sulfate shampoo that I've tried twice so far (Batia & Aleeza Bio-Shampoo). I don't like it and will likely be giving to away in the very near future.
    3. Fine texture, thick density, normal porosity and elasticity.
    4. I honestly believe that it's more about formulation than the presence or absence of sulfates that makes the difference. I have been slowly eliminating most of my sulfate free shampoos because I find the majority of them to feel more stripping than the CHS Treatment Shampoo.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I second the CHS treatment shampoo. It is PH balanced and I feel no difference between using it and my low poos as far as "stripping" the hair. I use it once every two to three weeks, and use cowashes and low poos in between. When I use the sulfate poo I feel like it resets my hair, and I use it predominantly before I do a PT.

    The low poos I use and love are the devaCARE low poo, and the SM Yucca (green label).
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    I'm going to guestimate that I use it once or twice a month in the spring/summer, but it's really more about when my hair feels like it needs it.

    I'm fine/med, dense, high porous.

    Currently I'm using 50/50 of a low poo (repute organics keratin) and J&J head to toe baby wash. I typically pre-poo my ends.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • Aqua_LilyAqua_Lily Posts: 557Registered Users
    1. Approx. 4 times a year

    2. Nivea Intense Repair Shampoo. I use it because it has a lot of proteins (I try to use proteins as much as possible, I grab them everywhere I can!), some moisturizing oils (like avocado) to not make the whole shampoo-process TOO drying, and hydrogenated castor oil (love castor oil!)

    3. Fine hair, medium porosity, super high density, long (30 inches long)

    4. It definitely makes a difference! A shampoo without sulfates, or low-poo, isn't by far as drying and stripping as a regular shampoo. I have fine hair and am easily over-conditioned or over-oiled. Then co-washing just isn't enough and I wash with a low-poo, to get rid of the light build-up / over-conditioning. I do this about every two weeks. I am very glad low-poos exist, otherwise I'd have to shampoo twice a month and my hair wouldn't like that. I wash my hair with a sulfate poo about 4 times a year, sometimes you just have a bad, long-term build up and your hair needs a fresh start.
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    Current length: tailbone
    Goal length: mid-thigh (wet)
    3A/2C M iii med por, high elast

    HGs:
    Clarify: Nivea
    Lo-poo: Nature's Gate
    CW: Elvive Volume Collagen
    RO: EO Keratin, Desert Essence Raspberry

    LI: Elvive volume collagen, KCKT
    Seal: Grapeseed oil
    Gel: Studioline

    PT: EO Keratin co
    DT: RO+oils
    Hairgrowth stim.: JBCO+EVCO


    www.iherb.com 5-10$ discount code:
    VHT541 Many natural hair products! :D
  • LoveInBetweenLoveInBetween Posts: 392Registered Users
    1. Every 6 months

    2. I use diluted baby shampoo (2 cups water to 1 tablespoon of J&J)

    3. I have MBL, highly porous, medium strands, and high density 3b/3c curls.

    4. I use it when my roots feel gunky from buildup or when I accidentally used a product with silicones.

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using CurlTalk App
    Curl Routine
    Co: As I am Coconut CoWash,VO5 Claifying Conditioner
    DC: Macadamia Repair Masque
    LI: KCKT, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Style Creme: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie
    Gel: KCCC, Eco Styler Argan Oil
    Sealer: EVCO, EVOO

    3b/3c, High Desity, High Porosity, Medium Texture, BSL
    ""Live by the sun, love by the moon"


  • MarciMarci Posts: 225Registered Users
    Jas76 wrote: »
    I'm going to guestimate that I use it once or twice a month in the spring/summer, but it's really more about when my hair feels like it needs it.

    I'm fine/med, dense, high porous.

    Currently I'm using 50/50 of a low poo (repute organics keratin) and J&J head to toe baby wash. I typically pre-poo my ends.

    I'm with Jas on the baby wash, and that usually was enough for light "gunk" but I found that my hair was getting weighed down and droopy. So I bought yes to Cucumbers color care (i do not color however). I have only used it once so far and I found it to be fairly gentle. It easily detangled my hair but Im not tangle prone. I did have to condition after which I never bother to do with a low poo. My hair hates too much conditioner lately... Its behaving like low porosity hair... Weird. YtC is not a low poo though is has a coco sulphate whatever that is supposed to be equivalent to sls. So now i use 'cones and sulphates and MO so I guess that means I am no longer CG :)
    2C-3A MBL layered
    Medium/fine texture, high density, normal porosity and elasticity. Dry climate.


    Cleanse: SM MR, YTC
    Hydrate: Joico Kpak,DevaCurl OC
    Style: AG reCoil, LALSG




  • RobotQT1RobotQT1 Posts: 56Registered Users
    1. How often do you shampoo? Once a week is my usual shampooing schedule, and I co wash every day between.

    2. What shampoo do you use? Before going CG in March, I used VO5 Moisture Milks Strawberry (contains sulfates) and tried out Freeman's Papaya and Mango moisturizing shampoo (ditto). While CG I used Dr Miracle Curl Care Rehydrating Shampoo (sulfate-free) but stopped because it dried my hair out too much. I switched to Shea Moisture Raw Shea Butter shampoo (sulfate-free) and fell in love with it. Now that I'm off CG I'm back to Freeman's, which I'll be using once a month, and still using Shea Moisture 3x a month.

    3. What are the properties of your hair? 3C w/some 3B, Low Porosity, probably Fine, between shoulder-length and chin-length (awkward stage!), over-proteined (aka protein sensitive). I usually go for anything with "moisturizing" or any variation thereof in the name because that's what my hair needs most of the time.

    4. Why do you think it makes no difference if you use a sulfate shampoo versus one without sulfates? I have no opinion on this, to be honest. As long as it cleans my hair without drying it out, it's good.
    3C, almost shoulder length (when stretched). Low Porosity, Protein Sensitive.
    Low Poo: Shea Moisture Raw Shea Butter Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Shampoo: Proclaim Olive Glossing Shampoo
    RO: Eden Bodyworks Coconut Shea Cleansing Co-Wash
    LI: Proclaim Olive Glossing Condish
    Oils: JBCO, EVOO, Grapeseed Oil
    Styling: Fantasia IC Hair Polisher
    DC: Sally's GVP Conditioning Balm


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  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,983Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I usually shampoo about 2-3 times a week with Deva LoPoo. I sometimes use the No Poo instead. I do this because I use Rogaine every day and if I don't poo my hair becomes matted after 2 days.

    I color my hair with permanent dye about every 2 weeks (I know that is supposed to be too often, but I hate when the greys show up and I have a lot of them!). After I use the dye I use Garnier Fructise (Sp.?) sleek and shine or any other supposedly moisturizing poo that has sulfates in it. The sulfate shampoo is definitely much more stripping than the low or no poo, but I can't stand the idea of even a tiny bit of the dye staying on my scalp and with a sulfate shampoo I am confident that I get it all off.

    I'm not 100% sure of my hair's properties, except it is highly porous and medium density. Used to be a lot thicker when I was younger but the Rogaine helps.

    I definitely see a difference using sulfate vs. non-sulfate shampoo, but it is not the only factor in terms of gentleness and moisturizing.
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
    Every day is a gift :flower:
  • chloe92uschloe92us Posts: 1,203Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    curlypearl wrote: »
    After I use the dye I use Garnier Fructise (Sp.?) sleek and shine or any other supposedly moisturizing poo that has sulfates in it. The sulfate shampoo is definitely much more stripping than the low or no poo, but I can't stand the idea of even a tiny bit of the dye staying on my scalp and with a sulfate shampoo I am confident that I get it all off.

    Have you tried your Deva no poo instead of your sulfate poo after dying? Just massage really well, and it will get all the dye off your scalp. I'll bet your color will keep longer too if you don't wash right after.
    2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
    Cleanse: AIA cowash, TJ Tea Tree Condish
    Condish: JC Too Shea, Tresemme Botanique
    Stylers: flax/okra gel or KCCC + CJ PP or JC Spiralicious
    Experimenting with Got2B Ultra gel and loving it so far!
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,983Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Chloe, thanks for replying. I know that you are right that the color will keep longer if I don't use a sulfate on it right away. It's just a fear I have of the chemicals in the dye, so I use a sulfate shampoo to be extra careful.
    It may be that the No Poo would work just as well.

    Years ago the dye was associated with a higher cancer risk - supposedly now the bad ingredient was removed, but I still scrub like mad with a sulfate just for my peace of mind.

    I try to be openminded but I feel so guilty using the dye because of the cancer risk that I need to use the sulfate for psychological comfort even though it has chemicals too, of course. :pukel:
    Thanks again for your input!
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
    Every day is a gift :flower:
  • RizosMioRizosMio Posts: 141Registered Users
    1. Once a week, every 7 days (no cowash or anything else in between)

    2. Yes to Carrots

    3. Coarse strands, high density, wiry texture, LCLF said normal porosity. I treat it as low because it acts like it, due to the density and coarseness.

    4. I think it's like everything else you know, different sulfate formulations will yield different results on different heads. I really disagree with the blanket-statement of "ALL sulfate shampoos are bad." We know how diverse products formulations are in general and we accept that, but why can't we accept the same for shampoo?

    My shampoo has one sulfate, second ingredient after water and that's exactly what I wanted. In an applicator bottle I mix a cup of water + a small squirt of shampoo and I'm good. It's all I need.
  • asianrunnerasianrunner Posts: 2,251Registered Users
    1. How often do you shampoo? 3x/wk

    2. What shampoo do you use? Redken Fresh Curls

    3. What are the properties of your hair? Medium, normal, normal. (LCLF analysis) kinky and dense (self analyzed)

    4. Why do you think it makes no difference if you use a sulfate shampoo versus one without sulfates? Ehh I use this particular sulfate shampoo because it cleanses well and I don't get the stripped feeling like I do with other low poos. Plus, the last few low poos eventually made me itchy!
    Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
    cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

    rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Beauticurls, CJ Smoothing

    jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC
    gels: CJ CQ, CJ Pattern Pusha, BRHG

  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    curlypearl wrote: »
    I usually shampoo about 2-3 times a week with Deva LoPoo. I sometimes use the No Poo instead. I do this because I use Rogaine every day and if I don't poo my hair becomes matted after 2 days.

    I color my hair with permanent dye about every 2 weeks (I know that is supposed to be too often, but I hate when the greys show up and I have a lot of them!). After I use the dye I use Garnier Fructise (Sp.?) sleek and shine or any other supposedly moisturizing poo that has sulfates in it. The sulfate shampoo is definitely much more stripping than the low or no poo, but I can't stand the idea of even a tiny bit of the dye staying on my scalp and with a sulfate shampoo I am confident that I get it all off.

    I'm not 100% sure of my hair's properties, except it is highly porous and medium density. Used to be a lot thicker when I was younger but the Rogaine helps.

    I definitely see a difference using sulfate vs. non-sulfate shampoo, but it is not the only factor in terms of gentleness and moisturizing.

    Research suggests sulphate surfactants thin the skin barrier and increase permeability of some chemicals into the skin and hair. By washing as well as dying so often you may find you are inadvertently giving the dye chemicals MORE access to your healthy living skin.

    There actually are sulphate surfactants in many permanent box dyes in order to help the product penetrate and help it rinse clean afterwards. If the product comes with a conditioner sachet to help neutralise and remove the excess then that is what the manufacturer has found to be most effective and least irritant.

    The key study on sulphate surfactants that changed perceptions somewhat was using aqueous cream: just 1% SLS in a highly emollient supposedly gentle base. For reference shampoos contain ~20% sulphates. The formulation might change your perception of what is gentle/ damaging but it doesn't appear to prevent the damage that is taking place at the microscopic level.

    BTW sulphate surfactants are also linked to hair loss/ thinning in susceptible individuals, this is believed to be down to inflammation at the follicular level. I am surprised your dermatologist has not discussed any of this with you.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • BeautyisMireeBeautyisMiree Posts: 202Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    1. How often do you shampoo?
    One every two months or when I see build up
    2. what shampoo do you use?
    Suave clarifying shampoo
    3. What are the properties of your hair?
    4a and high porosity
    4. Why do you think it makes no difference if you use a sulfate shampoo versus one without sulfates?
    I've been using a sulfate shampoo since I was born and my hair kept growing and getting stronger. I used a sulfate free shampo and it did the same thing so I think it's a waste of money and doesn't matter which one you buy aslong as my hair is clean and not following off I'm happy.

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