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The Best Deep Conditioner

ricotdorothyricotdorothy Posts: 436Registered Users
I just wanted to run a poll of what people prefer as a holy grail protein free/light protein deep conditioner. I have spent close to a year looking for a staple/HG deep conditioner and it seems each time I think I have found it, something goes wrong. So far Redken's Smooth Down Butter Treat and Curl Junkie Deep Fix came close to holding that spot in my arsenal, but one was discontinued and the other became hard for me to use over time. The honey in Deep Fix began to glue my curls together causing difficulty during the detangling process. It makes me sad because I really loved them both. Right now I have been testing Matrix and Aveda and while they give my hair a slick manageable feeling they aren't exactly rich conditioners per se so they don't give my hair that gentle weighed down feeling I get from butters and oils. I was wondering should I just toss in the towel and start making my own doctored conditioner concoctions or if there were some options that may save me the trouble.

The lines I have been looking at intently are
B.A.S.K.,
Sweet Nature by Eddie,
Brown Butter Beauty,
Pura Body Naturals,
and Camille Rose Naturals.

There is just soooo muuuuch out there, getting a few opinions would be very helpful.
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  • naturalyogininaturalyogini Posts: 430Registered Users
    I just wanted to run a poll of what people prefer as a holy grail protein free/light protein deep conditioner. I have spent close to a year looking for a staple/HG deep conditioner and it seems each time I think I have found it, something goes wrong. So far Redken's Smooth Down Butter Treat and Curl Junkie Deep Fix came close to holding that spot in my arsenal, but one was discontinued and the other became hard for me to use over time. The honey in Deep Fix began to glue my curls together causing difficulty during the detangling process. It makes me sad because I really loved them both. Right now I have been testing Matrix and Aveda and while they give my hair a slick manageable feeling they aren't exactly rich conditioners per se so they don't give my hair that gentle weighed down feeling I get from butters and oils. I was wondering should I just toss in the towel and start making my own doctored conditioner concoctions or if there were some options that may save me the trouble.

    The lines I have been looking at intently are
    B.A.S.K.,
    Sweet Nature by Eddie,
    Brown Butter Beauty,
    Pura Body Naturals,
    and Camille Rose Naturals.

    There is just soooo muuuuch out there, getting a few opinions would be very helpful.
    I think there is already a thread on this. But anyhoo, I too have had trouble finding a good deep conditioner because I have highly porous hair. Nothing in the natural care lines work for me. So I have decided to go back to conditioners that have lots of conditioning agents in them and are not necessarily CG friendly, ie cones are ok. BTMS alone will not cut it for me. Now I have tried BBB babassu conditioner and it did work in the past but lately it has been a failure and I think that the pH of the conditioner is too high for me. I tested it and it was 6.5. I need the pH to be 3.5-5.5 and no higher. I suspect that she isn't pH testing her products anymore. As to BASK, high porosity ladies have said that her conditioners did nothing for them. I think it's the pH. I had no luck with Pura boday naturals, pH problem again. HTH
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    3c/4a Very high porosity, fine, thin hair
  • SistapopdemcurlSistapopdemcurl Posts: 225Registered Users
    I've tried quite a few.

    HG Grails deep conditioner

    Karen's body beautiful deep conditioner
    Koils by nature deep conditioner
    Oyin handmade honey hemp
    Curl junkie curl rehab
    Darcy's botanical pumpkin seed conditioner
    Sometimes I like to mix oils and/or honey with regular conditioner
    I don't buy Bask yam nectar often, however when I use it with regular conditioner
  • ricotdorothyricotdorothy Posts: 436Registered Users
    I've tried quite a few.

    HG Grails deep conditioner

    Karen's body beautiful deep conditioner
    Koils by nature deep conditioner
    Oyin handmade honey hemp
    Curl junkie curl rehab
    Darcy's botanical pumpkin seed conditioner
    Sometimes I like to mix oils and/or honey with regular conditioner
    I don't buy Bask yam nectar often, however when I use it with regular conditioner

    Yeah I do have yet to try the Karen's Body Beautiful and quite a few people are a fan...I just might pick it up sometime.
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  • redbreredbre Posts: 29Registered Users
    HG deep conditioner for me is the Camille Rose Algae Renew Deep Conditioner. It's amazing! Makes my hair buttery soft. Very easy to over moisturize with it, though.
  • asugirlasugirl Posts: 937Registered Users
    I've tried quite a few.

    HG Grails deep conditioner

    Karen's body beautiful deep conditioner
    Koils by nature deep conditioner
    Oyin handmade honey hemp
    Curl junkie curl rehab
    Darcy's botanical pumpkin seed conditioner
    Sometimes I like to mix oils and/or honey with regular conditioner
    I don't buy Bask yam nectar often, however when I use it with regular conditioner

    Yeah I do have yet to try the Karen's Body Beautiful and quite a few people are a fan...I just might pick it up sometime.

    Hey, when you refer to KBB's deep conditioner, which one are you talking about? I don't remember one called specifically that.

    2c/3a - fine - medium porosity & density
  • ricotdorothyricotdorothy Posts: 436Registered Users
    asugirl wrote: »
    I've tried quite a few.

    HG Grails deep conditioner

    Karen's body beautiful deep conditioner
    Koils by nature deep conditioner
    Oyin handmade honey hemp
    Curl junkie curl rehab
    Darcy's botanical pumpkin seed conditioner
    Sometimes I like to mix oils and/or honey with regular conditioner
    I don't buy Bask yam nectar often, however when I use it with regular conditioner

    Yeah I do have yet to try the Karen's Body Beautiful and quite a few people are a fan...I just might pick it up sometime.

    Hey, when you refer to KBB's deep conditioner, which one are you talking about? I don't remember one called specifically that.

    I assumed it was the luscious locks hair masque. That one is notorious on the hair boards as far as I know. The only reason I haven't picked it up yet is because I was concerned about overconditioning. Oh and it is expensive for the amount you receive.
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  • ReekyReeky Posts: 1,323Registered Users
    I love the Brown Butter Beauty, BUT my jar is pretty old and I havent tried my new jar yet (as far as any changes go)
    For straight moisture (which I dont regularly do) Curl Junkie Curl Rehab has always made my hair feel amazing
    Ii also like the Aubrey Organics conditioners (WC & GPB) layered w oil for an affordable dc. Which is what I usually do when I dont wanna use my BBB
    dense, fine & porous curls |

    Poo/Cowash| Bobeam, V05 Shea Cashmere
    DC| AOGPB, CJ Repair Me, BrownButterBeauty
    RinseOut| Mill Creek Keratin Conditioner, Ology Moisturizing Conditioner
    Leave In| Curl Rehab, Bee Mine Luscious Balanced Moisturizer, CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Moisturize|Oyin Hair Dew, CR Moisture Milk
    Gel| Kiss My Face UMG, Trader Joes Aloe Vera, KCCC
    Sealants| Aloe Juice, Whipped Shea, Cocoa & Mango Butters, Castor, & my Peanut Oil Blend =)
  • NoodleNapsNoodleNaps Posts: 463Registered Users
    I'm coarse, high porosity, prone to dryness (as we've discussed). My favourites after asking for suggestions on one of the other threads are the Curl Junkie Curl Rehab, Bee Mine Bee.U.Ti.Ful DC (I was actually quite surprised by this), my old dependable Aubrey Organics HSR: but I usually have to augment this with honey/agave and oils, or any random cocktail of conditioners I don't like on their own, supplemented with honey or agave (preferred) and olive oil. Oh, also the Shea Moisture Black Soap Purification masque deserves an honourable mention, but I tend to use this as a pre-poo.
    Products in current rotation:

    Terressentials Pure Earth Mud Wash; Elucence MBC (now really just for cowashing, leg shaving or emergencies); Curl Junkie: Repair Me, Deep Fix, Curl Rehab; AOHSR (retiring); Oyin Handmade: Honey Hemp, Hair Dew, J&B; Qhemet Biologics: BRBC (retiring- prefer Oyin HD), AOHC, OHHB; Jojoba Oil for scalp; Castor Oil or Shea butter to seal; Henna & Ayurvedic pastes when I can be bothered.

    Still searching for the perfect stylers, but loving CJ CIAB over everything so far
  • secret_karmasecret_karma Posts: 438Registered Users
    My favorite is KBB Luscious Locks it has no protein though. For a light protein either Darcys pumpkin seed or Oyin are good. Next on my list to try is sdotbeauty dc, I hear nothing but good reviews of it.
  • SistapopdemcurlSistapopdemcurl Posts: 225Registered Users
    Bask beauty cacao bark is ok, but it is really good mix with the Yam nectar

    SM black purification mask

    Jessicurl weekly deep treatment was ok too.
  • ricotdorothyricotdorothy Posts: 436Registered Users
    You all are going to make me try Curl Rehab again lol. All I have to say is it had better have been a bad batch I tried out the last time lol. But yes, in the protein free category it seems to be number one for a lot of people.

    ETA: @ Reeky, you know I think you may have point concerning balanced deep conditioners. Recently I have decided I don't necessarily need to do a deep treatment every week. This is because my hair has been holding moisture pretty well, it passes the stretch test pretty consistently and breakage has been at a minimum. Given this it may be time to incorporate balanced DC'S. Deep conditioners that can do moisture and protein at the same time.my issue is I really like them to do it at the same time, as in I don't like to have to do a separate moisturizing treatment. I am about to receive the BASK whiskey hair soak. We will see how that goes...
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  • SistapopdemcurlSistapopdemcurl Posts: 225Registered Users
    Try to purchase it from aveyou.com, Curlmart (they have a20% sale now) and of course curl junkie.
  • ricotdorothyricotdorothy Posts: 436Registered Users
    I have been looking at open jars of curl rehab online and I am now convinced that I got a bad/possibly old batch. Next time I am ordering straight from the Curl Junkie site. It will probably be my next DC purchase. :icescream: I would like to give CJ another chance. I loved all their other things.

    ETA: I got the Curl Rehab from the Curlmart sale just now, lol.
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  • Braelynn_BlueBraelynn_Blue Posts: 24Registered Users
    Naturelle Grow (from Etsy) treatments are great. I used the Chamomile and Burdock Root one today and it made my hair so soft.

    Great ingredients, reasonably priced, reasonable and quick shipping!
  • Raquel28Raquel28 Posts: 46Registered Users
    HG Deep Conditioners/Treatments
    Curl Rehab
    Shea Moisture Purification Mask
    Bask Vanilla Whiskey Hair Soak

    Honorable Mentions
    Darcy's Botanicals Pumpkin Seed
    Any Conditioner mixed with Honey and Olive Oil
  • ebonyrose31626ebonyrose31626 Posts: 253Registered Users
    My hair is low porosity and I've basically given up on finding a good moisturizing dc. I think most are just too thick. I want to try Kbb luscious locks but it's too expensive.
    I tried the cj repair and my hair felt coated and not moisturized. I think it has shea butter and my hair hates shea butter.
    4c wiry thick nappy low porosity hair
    Poo: SM black soap
    Rise out/Detangler:
    DC/: Avocado+ oil + Honey
    Spritz: Oyin J&B :love10:
    Moisturizer: OH Dew
    Sealant:BSP/Bask tapioca cream
  • secret_karmasecret_karma Posts: 438Registered Users
    My hair is low porosity and I've basically given up on finding a good moisturizing dc. I think most are just too thick. I want to try Kbb luscious locks but it's too expensive.
    I tried the cj repair and my hair felt coated and not moisturized. I think it has shea butter and my hair hates shea butter.

    I'm low porosity too and I had the same problem with curl junkie rehab cuz of the shea butter. The only conditioner with shea butter that works for me so far is shescentit honey rinse. That one and their avocado conditioner are really good and not too expensive.

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  • myhairDOTcommyhairDOTcom Posts: 123Registered Users
    Camille rose algae deep conditioner
    KBB Lucious Locks
    CJ Curl Rehab
    Purabody Chocolate smoothie
    AO GBP conditioner....it's balanced
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    My hair: thick, medium/coarse, high porosity in the crown naturally, normal porosity everywhere else.

    Currently using...
    Poo: Any sulfate free or low sulfate poo
    Rinse out: Tresemme Naturals
    Leave-in: Camille Rose Moisture Milk
    DC: Eden Bodyworks Coconut Shea DC
    Stylers: Xtreme Wetline gel
    Oils: EVCO
    Moisturizer: Oyin Hair Dew/watered down CR Moisture Milk
    Sealant: Oyin pomades or JC Nourish and Shine
  • Ogo'mOgo'm Posts: 242Registered Users
    If you want something with the slightest touch of protein and with butters and oils in addition to conditioning agents, you have to try the Darcy's Pumpkin Seed conditioner. My only gripe with that product is it needs to container; it is too thick for the bottle it is in.
  • ricotdorothyricotdorothy Posts: 436Registered Users
    My hair is low porosity and I've basically given up on finding a good moisturizing dc. I think most are just too thick. I want to try Kbb luscious locks but it's too expensive.
    I tried the cj repair and my hair felt coated and not moisturized. I think it has shea butter and my hair hates shea butter.

    My hair is low porosity too. It has mostly medium thickness in the strand rather than coarse thickness and as a result I have a love hate relationship with shea butter. It is a good styler on damp hair if I want stretched hair but in dc/leave in/ conditioner formulations it is really up in the air half the time how I will like it. My hair does get over conditioned when too much glycerin/agave is present so I will pass on the kbb. It is too expensive, above twenty dollars plus tax, to find out that I can't use it at all.
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  • So_JaneSo_Jane Posts: 155Registered Users
    The best deep conditioner I can think of is the Honey-Olive-Oil treatment, either on it's own or added to your favorite conditioner. Either way the end result is super soft hair and it's great for all hair types.

    HTH!
    'Poo: Aubrey Organics or Suave Clarifying
    or Liquid African Black Soap (only 4-ingredients ; awesome!)
    Co-Wash: Aubrey Organics or Suave Condish
    Condish: Aubrey Organics or Onion Mask or Yogurt
    DT: Honey + Olive Oil + AO Condish or Yogurt mix
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    Best Gel Combo, Ever!: Elasta Qp Feels Like Silk Liquid Gel +/under Eco Styler [Krystal, Brown] Gel (or under Wetline Extreme Styling Gel)- awesome!!
  • ricotdorothyricotdorothy Posts: 436Registered Users
    Ogo'm wrote: »
    If you want something with the slightest touch of protein and with butters and oils in addition to conditioning agents, you have to try the Darcy's Pumpkin Seed conditioner. My only gripe with that product is it needs to container; it is too thick for the bottle it is in.

    Yep! I am so lucky I already have that on deck to try. All in all I feel I have a good collection of highly recommended DC'S ready to be tested. Thank you ladies!!:toothy7:

    My hair should find it's true love soon enough...

    :happy7:
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  • CurlyCutie1394CurlyCutie1394 Posts: 348Registered Users
    I like SheaMoisture deep treatment masque I've found it goes a lot better for me when I sit under a dryer for 15 min. My hair feels super soft after rinsing with cool water
  • ReekyReeky Posts: 1,323Registered Users
    Ogo'm wrote: »
    If you want something with the slightest touch of protein and with butters and oils in addition to conditioning agents, you have to try the Darcy's Pumpkin Seed conditioner. My only gripe with that product is it needs to container; it is too thick for the bottle it is in.

    this. forgot about this, aside from the pump not working.. it hasnt done me wrong.
    You all are going to make me try Curl Rehab again lol. All I have to say is it had better have been a bad batch I tried out the last time lol. But yes, in the protein free category it seems to be number one for a lot of people.

    ETA: @ Reeky, you know I think you may have point concerning balanced deep conditioners. Recently I have decided I don't necessarily need to do a deep treatment every week. This is because my hair has been holding moisture pretty well, it passes the stretch test pretty consistently and breakage has been at a minimum. Given this it may be time to incorporate balanced DC'S. Deep conditioners that can do moisture and protein at the same time.my issue is I really like them to do it at the same time, as in I don't like to have to do a separate moisturizing treatment. I am about to receive the BASK whiskey hair soak. We will see how that goes...

    seeee they do make a difference. A straight moisturizing DC will make my hair feel amazing when its dry-er than usual, but when I used them regularly I got inconsistent results & since regularly using protein dcs I havent even had those "dryer than usual" days.. I learned that the best way to get my regular protein is in my DC, as most of my leave ins have no protein. Also since I started DCing with balanced conditioners only my hair overall has been staying perfectly balanced (meaning I no longer have those days where I do everything "right" and my hair comes out dry or is randomly breaking).
    I too noticed that I can use a stronger protein product like the mill creek keratin or curl junkie repair me that youd need to follow up w a moisturizing dc after but instead ill follow up with a rich leave in and itll come out fine once dry.
    dense, fine & porous curls |

    Poo/Cowash| Bobeam, V05 Shea Cashmere
    DC| AOGPB, CJ Repair Me, BrownButterBeauty
    RinseOut| Mill Creek Keratin Conditioner, Ology Moisturizing Conditioner
    Leave In| Curl Rehab, Bee Mine Luscious Balanced Moisturizer, CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Moisturize|Oyin Hair Dew, CR Moisture Milk
    Gel| Kiss My Face UMG, Trader Joes Aloe Vera, KCCC
    Sealants| Aloe Juice, Whipped Shea, Cocoa & Mango Butters, Castor, & my Peanut Oil Blend =)
  • ricotdorothyricotdorothy Posts: 436Registered Users
    Reeky wrote: »
    Ogo'm wrote: »
    If you want something with the slightest touch of protein and with butters and oils in addition to conditioning agents, you have to try the Darcy's Pumpkin Seed conditioner. My only gripe with that product is it needs to container; it is too thick for the bottle it is in.

    this. forgot about this, aside from the pump not working.. it hasnt done me wrong.
    You all are going to make me try Curl Rehab again lol. All I have to say is it had better have been a bad batch I tried out the last time lol. But yes, in the protein free category it seems to be number one for a lot of people.

    ETA: @ Reeky, you know I think you may have point concerning balanced deep conditioners. Recently I have decided I don't necessarily need to do a deep treatment every week. This is because my hair has been holding moisture pretty well, it passes the stretch test pretty consistently and breakage has been at a minimum. Given this it may be time to incorporate balanced DC'S. Deep conditioners that can do moisture and protein at the same time.my issue is I really like them to do it at the same time, as in I don't like to have to do a separate moisturizing treatment. I am about to receive the BASK whiskey hair soak. We will see how that goes...

    seeee they do make a difference. A straight moisturizing DC will make my hair feel amazing when its dry-er than usual, but when I used them regularly I got inconsistent results & since regularly using protein dcs I havent even had those "dryer than usual" days.. I learned that the best way to get my regular protein is in my DC, as most of my leave ins have no protein. Also since I started DCing with balanced conditioners only my hair overall has been staying perfectly balanced (meaning I no longer have those days where I do everything "right" and my hair comes out dry or is randomly breaking).
    I too noticed that I can use a stronger protein product like the mill creek keratin or curl junkie repair me that youd need to follow up w a moisturizing dc after but instead ill follow up with a rich leave in and itll come out fine once dry.

    Perfect! That just makes all of the sense! Saves me TIME too! That is very important to me.
    Thank you! :occasion9:
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  • KynnibKynnib Posts: 999Registered Users
    Spiral Solutions Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment
    4a hair. MOD CG routine.

    Present Loves
    -Back on the (rajasthani) henna train! My hair is so much better now.
    -KBB hair butter mixed with Hairveda Cocasta oil
    -Spiral Solutions Deeply Decadent
  • periwrinkleperiwrinkle Posts: 130Registered Users
    I consider my hair to be low to normal porosity. I have tried it seems just about them all, but my favorite deep condtioners are:

    Camille Rose Algae Deep Conditioner
    Bee Mine Moisturizing Deep Conditioner
    Naturelle Grow Marshmallow Root Deep Conditioner
    Darcy's Botanicals Pumpkin Seed Conditioner
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    Hair Type: 3c/4a

    Still searching for my staple products. Maybe I can be faithful to a set of products one day.
  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    I second So_Jane's opinion...
    Yesterday I tried the honey-olive oil DC for the second time.
    I added Yes to Cucumbers to the mix and left it on for an hour.
    My hair is looking soooooo much better than the last couple of days (maybe even weeks)
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

    iherb.com: get a 5$ discount on orders under 40$ or a 10$ discount on orders over 40$ when you order for your first order by using the following discount code: CFH441
  • pinkwolfpinkwolf Posts: 430Registered Users
    Holy Grail DT:

    SheaMoisture SB Masque with oils and honey
    Mixed Chicks
    Super mayo protein treatment

    For my hair, I find using a heating cap makes a world of difference. :-)


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    *Natural 3C/TWA* :toothy7:
    Wash: BS/ACV, ABS, KC Come Clean
    Conditioner: Garnier WB Honey Treasures
    , Garnier WB Apple & Green Tea
    Pre-Poo: Oils & Honey Mix
    DC: Garnier WB Honey Treasures Mask, SM 10-N-1

    PT: Super Mayo Deep Conditioning Treatment
    Styler:
    KCCC, Eco Styler
    Leave-In: KCKT, Garnier WB Coconut & Cocoa Butter LI
    Moisturizer:
    Whipped Shea Butter
    Oil/Sealant:
    EVCO, Jojoba
  • VallinciaVallincia Posts: 5Registered Users
    The only DC that has really worked up close to my standards is the Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Deep Conditioner. However, I am looking for something more. I'm thinking about trying the Camille Rose Algae Deep Conditioner.
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