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very dry hair: looking for a homemade moisture BOMB without proteins

NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
Hi!

I'm having dry hair again (it was well moisturised like 3 weeks ago). My hair feels like the hair of a 50 year old doll (those babysized dolls) that has been laying in a cupboard (with spiderwebs ofcourse) for those same 50 years if you get what I mean...

I have been experimenting with a lot of things and since march 15th or so I have done 2 gelatin treatments, a bananamasktreatment and an avocadotreatment because my curls were getting limper and I thought I needed proteins.

I now really think I have done a proteinoverkill since my hair feels like the 50year old dollhair...The ends are still healthy looking (not split) but they are razorsharp...Besides of having dry hair again, my hair got straighter, more frizzy, less defined (because of the frizz) and my clumps keep falling apart when my hair dries (I used to have clumps that were between a thumb thick and 2 thumbs thick, now I have clumps with the with of a pencil at most and they fall quite weird).

Does this sound like overproteined as I guess?
I already use Ultra doux conditioner with avocado oil and shea butter and that one gives me a better feeling in the shower (more moisture) but it still isn't enough. I feel like I need lots and lots more moisture...
What can I make (homemade) to give my hair a big moistureboost? and how long should I leave that stuff on my hair?
2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
CG since March 8th 2013
Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

iherb.com: get a 5$ discount on orders under 40$ or a 10$ discount on orders over 40$ when you order for your first order by using the following discount code: CFH441

Comments

  • DNiseDNise Posts: 13Registered Users
    Oh my gosh I am experiencing the same exact thing. My hair is colored and I'm not going to lie I've been abusing my hair but I've never experienced dryness like this before and I've been natural for about 3 years. Any who I have realize that I have been on a protien-over-kill not even realizing it untill I saw a video on youtube about proteins being in hair products I use on a daily basis. So I made this concoction with a deep conditioner I bought by Beautiful Textures called Rapid Repair. I mixed it with some shea and mango butter and slept with it on my wet hair. So far my hair feels soft and moisturized, tho I didn't rinse it out. It states that it can be used as a leave in so I'm loving the results so far. I hope this helps.
  • PomegranateCurlPomegranateCurl Posts: 212Registered Users
    I do DTs and pre-poos/cleanse of extra virgin olive oil or extra virgin (unrefined) coconut oil. I just rake some in my hair dry, leave for 1/2 hr or so (or longer if needed) and then low-poo or cowash it out.

    Are you cowashing or low-pooing? It does sound like protein overload, so I'd say cut out proteins for a little while and see if that helps. I think it's good to have a good LI if you're feeling super dry (or RO that you can use as an LI) and try sealing w/ an oil.
  • PomegranateCurlPomegranateCurl Posts: 212Registered Users
    I have to add that though coconut oil has no proteins in it, it's supposed to help w/ protein loss... so maybe try olive first.
  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    Ty!
    I'm heading to the shower right now...I think I'm going to mix extra virgin olive oil with a little bit of my avocado oil-shea butter conditioner (just because I don't like the idea of just olive oil on my hair :p and it makes it more like a thicker substance)

    That conditioner has: Aqua, cetearyl alcohol, palm oil, CI 15985, CI 19140, stearamidopropyl dimethylamine, chlorhexidine dihydrochloride, avocado oil, citric acid, shea butter, hexyl cinnamal, glycerin, parfum
    Is that a moisturising conditioner without proteins?

    And I'm going to leave the olive oil with a tiny bit of that conditioner on my hair for an hour or so, then going to low poo with sulfate and cone free Rainforest Moisture Shampoo and then going to finish with Rainforest Shine Conditioner (maybe add a tiny bit of my avocado-shea butterone as a leave in)

    Does that sound like a good idea?

    For a gel or mousse (I prefer mousse but the last time I used a mousse it dried my hair) what ingredients would be good and what ingredients would be drying? (I'm having an enormous amount of mousses and one gel)
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

    iherb.com: get a 5$ discount on orders under 40$ or a 10$ discount on orders over 40$ when you order for your first order by using the following discount code: CFH441
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I think that looks protein free. There are a few things my brain doesn't recognize. Is it not in the products database here so you can check?

    My hair isn't damaged but it is naturally dry considering it's very porous and coarse. Also doesn't help that I live in a dry climate. Lately I've taken to oiling my hair down before washes. This helps a lot. Take a few tbsp of coconut, olive, avocado--whatever oil of choice and glide it over your hair. Leave in for maybe an hour before co-washing or low-pooing or do it the night before. Before long your hair will be much nice to you. It's a bit of a pain at first but I've gotten into the routine of it and I don't mind it now. Strategic oiling. Also, deep treats. I don't see the point of spending money on a DT. Never have. What I do is take a few tbsp of a protein free conditioner and add some spoonfuls of honey, a tsp of coconut oil, avocado, olive, grapeseed, castor. (I go light on the castor and olive because too much of either is difficult to co-wash out.) Sometimes I add a tsp or two of aloe too. I slather my hair with that, throw on a shower cap and leave it in an hour. By the time I rinse it out my hair is much more hydrated. I feel you though. My mother's hair turned super dry last week due to neglect or too much protein I'm not sure so I've done two deep treats on her and still haven't gotten her hair back to full hydration. It would be easier if she'd just take my advice and switch to mostly co-washing but she's stubborn. People will see how great your hair looks after having gone CG and given up shampoo but you tell them about co-washing and they're all "I don't want to do that."
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    I wet my hair 2 to 3 times a week (this week more, since I'm trying a couple of products since I can get a discount of 20% on them till tomorrow, so I was trying things to see if they work and if I should order them or not :p)

    With those 2-3 wet times a week, I always put sulfatefree and siliconefree conditioner on, and once a week (after I swim) I use a sulfatefree and siliconefree shampoo as well. But always sulfatefree and siliconefree, so that should be allright, right?
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

    iherb.com: get a 5$ discount on orders under 40$ or a 10$ discount on orders over 40$ when you order for your first order by using the following discount code: CFH441
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Yes, silicone and sulfate free is all you really need to be CG. It's just to be successful at CG you still have to be wary of your conditioner/cleanser balance. I think my mother uses the same sulfate free shampoo I use to clarify on a regular basis. That's why her hair can get very dry sometimes. I could use Shea Moisture's low poos every time I wash I suspect and not get dried out too terribly since they're sulfate free but also super gentle. But my scalp and hair seem to like my routine of cowash, cowash, lowpoo best. I still haven't gotten back to swimming because I'm unsure of how my hair will react but I read oiling your hair slightly with olive oil before you hop in the pool protects it from chlorine. Gonna try that this summer.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • RusycurlyRusycurly Posts: 717Registered Users
    I find that adding an oil (olive or castor in my case) and honey to any old conditioner makes it super moisturizing.
    Hair: 3a, normal porosity and elasticity
    My hair loves: Vatika and Bhringraj oils, adores henna.
    My HGs: Bobeam's shampoo bars, CJAO, CJRM, Original Moxie's Hair Bling, Terressentials,
    :wav:
    Let's hear it for beautiful curls!!!
  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    I would like to try adding olive oil before swimming, but aren't swimpoolowners a bit unhappy about that? oil in the water and stuff? (I already soak my hair with water before I enter the swimming pool, just because where your hair is already soaked it doesn't take chlorine easily, and then I put it in a bun)
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

    iherb.com: get a 5$ discount on orders under 40$ or a 10$ discount on orders over 40$ when you order for your first order by using the following discount code: CFH441
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Rusycurly wrote: »
    I find that adding an oil (olive or castor in my case) and honey to any old conditioner makes it super moisturizing.

    THIS!!

    Then put a bag over it and a hot towel or heating pad, etc.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • deja_vudeja_vu Posts: 30Registered Users
    Rusycurly wrote: »
    I find that adding an oil (olive or castor in my case) and honey to any old conditioner makes it super moisturizing.

    Ditto'd. I even warm up the oil/honey mix then add it to my coconut conditioner.

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  • PomegranateCurlPomegranateCurl Posts: 212Registered Users
    Hmmm I have to add that I tried the B&BW Rainforest Moisture shampoo and I found it super drying. (Most low-poos are too drying for me however and I only use them about 1x month). To make it more moisturizing you can add an oil to the shampoo... I love doing this! I add coconut to low-poo 50:50. Also make sure you're not using a ton of your low-poo... I think in the CG handbook it says half a tsp, and concentrate that on your scalp.
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Neleke wrote: »
    I would like to try adding olive oil before swimming, but aren't swimpoolowners a bit unhappy about that? oil in the water and stuff? (I already soak my hair with water before I enter the swimming pool, just because where your hair is already soaked it doesn't take chlorine easily, and then I put it in a bun)

    I don't know. I'm assuming the oil sticks to your hair as oil and water don't mix well and I'm, at least, exceptionally porous. I don't use gym pools because they gross me out (a lot of people--here in the states at least--seem to treat them as a means of bathing post workout) so when I do try it it'll be at a friend's home. I guess I'll know soon. The weather's warming up.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    EVCO might be good to try, since below a certain temp it will be solid in your hair and then perhaps be less likely to rinse away and be able to hold out more chlorine, etc? Just a theory!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing

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